Promising New Coronavirus Vaccine

[faberryman]

But why should a guy give up his livelihood and jeopardized his family for a year based on science that's a work in progress? You're asking too much from people.

Because that is the best information we had at the time. Could the scientists be wrong? Of course. Could the politicians be wrong? Of course. There is no certainty in life. You just have to do the best you can with the information you have available. But you have to do the best you can.

Maybe this will answer your question:

Maybe the government was doing pretty much what the people wanted.  Also, they were caught between a rock and a hard place.  Britain was already dealing with Brexit and its economic problems. The last thing you needed was Covid to make it worse.  So you try to balance maintaining economic conditions so people can feed themselves vs. risking the spreading of disease.  Also, it's easy to Monday morning quarterback the game after it's over.  We should have done this.  We should have done that.  Stop "should-ing" on yourself. At least you did some things better, such as the vaccinations.  You should be happy and proud of that.

[Robert Roaldi]

But why should a guy give up his livelihood and jeopardized his family for a year based on science that's a work in progress? You're asking too much from people.

This is all a repeat. You can save yourself some time and re-read yesterday's posts.

[Robert Roaldi]

Then why release them and confuse the public? It's click porn. https://www.hematology.org/newsroom/press-releases/2020/possible-link-between-blood-type-and-covid-19 How does Joe Blow decipher what's "real", "fake", and "maybe"? ...

Re-read the title of the article. Notice the word "possible" in it. Something was noticed by someone so they put the word out so that others in the field see it and eamine their own data, maybe collaborate, maybe refute, maybe replicate.

Uncertainty seems to cause you stress, I'd advise you then not to read about work-in-progress in specialized fields. There is no useful info for you there, there is nothing you can use to make a decision. You already know who to consult for current best practices.

Why are you repeating this discussion? No new information has emerged since yesterday.

[Alan Klein]

Because that is the best information we had at the time. Could the scientists be wrong? Of course. Could the politicians be wrong? Of course. There is no certainty in life. You just have to do the best you can with the information you have available. But you have to do the best you can.

Maybe this will answer your question:

Easy for scientists and politicians to speculate at what you should do.  It doesn't affect their salary.  They're still working. 

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Cheers!

[jeremyrh]

Easy for scientists and politicians to speculate at what you should do.  It doesn't affect their salary.  They're still working.

What a stupid thing to say. Scientists do their best to find out the truth and propose actions based on their understanding. It's neither easy nor difficult, and nothing to do with their salary.  Try not to be a liar AND a fool.

[Alan Klein]

Re-read the title of the article. Notice the word "possible" in it. Something was noticed by someone so they put the word out so that others in the field see it and eamine their own data, maybe collaborate, maybe refute, maybe replicate.

Uncertainty seems to cause you stress, I'd advise you then not to read about work-in-progress in specialized fields. There is no useful info for you there, there is nothing you can use to make a decision. You already know who to consult for current best practices.

Why are you repeating this discussion? No new information has emerged since yesterday.

It's not the studies.  Those are picked up by regular media and repeated over and over.  Or you hear it from a friend. "Hey Joe, Do you have Type A blood.  That's bad."  Do you think most people sit around like we do googling everything and breaking apart sentences to check to see if "possible" is in there?  In any case, everything Fauci says is couched with that word in everything he says:  "Possible" or "it's likely".  So what's the difference?   

[faberryman]

This article will add some context to the information in Slobodan's graphic.

https://wineindustryadvisor.com/2021/03/31/nielseniq-beverage-alcohol-update-march

[Alan Klein]

Cheers!

Better than bleach.

[faberryman]

It's not the studies.  Those are picked up by regular media and repeated over and over.  Or you hear it from a friend. "Hey Joe, Do you have Type A blood.  That's bad."  Do you think most people sit around like we do googling everything and breaking apart sentences to check to see if "possible" is in there?  In any case, everything Fauci says is couched with that word in everything he says:  "Possible" or "it's likely".  So what's the difference?

What did you do about having Type A blood besides worry about it?  I remember at one point reading that more males than females contract COVID, or maybe it was more males than females die from COVID. Did you worry about being male? What did you decide to do about it? Since you distrust experts, I am not sure why you worry about what they say anyway.

You do realize that you are in charge of what you worry about?

[Alan Klein]

What did you do about having Type A blood besides worry about it?  I remember at one point reading that more males than females contract COVID, or maybe it was more males than females die from COVID. Did you worry about being male? What did you decide to do about it? Since you distrust experts, I am not sure why you worry about what they say anyway.

You do realize that you are in charge of what you worry about?

It's not the worriers like me.  It's the others who don't worry who decide the "experts" are confused and politicians are distrustful because they keep changing their minds and do what they tell the public not to do like Gov Newsom of CA eating inside a restaurant.  It's these doubters, especially the ones out of work,  who won't use masks and follow other guidelines. 

[Robert Roaldi]

It's not the studies.  Those are picked up by regular media and repeated over and over.  Or you hear it from a friend. "Hey Joe, Do you have Type A blood.  That's bad."  Do you think most people sit around like we do googling everything and breaking apart sentences to check to see if "possible" is in there?  In any case, everything Fauci says is couched with that word in everything he says:  "Possible" or "it's likely".  So what's the difference?

You keep wanting to blame "experts" but no expert tried to tell you to do ANYTHING about your blood type wrt Covid. It was only ever an on-going research area, still is. Why would you or anyone think that you have to do something about it? Did your doctor tell you to worry about it? Did the CDC? Did Trump?

The "problem", if there is one (and actually, there isn't) is only in your head. You created the problem out of thin air and you're clinging to it like grim death because you think it illustrates something, which it does not. You're stressing yourself for no purpose. Why are you doing that?

Stop reading specialized technical articles that you're not qualified to understand, that would be my advice.

[Alan Klein]

You keep wanting to blame "experts" but no expert tried to tell you to do ANYTHING about your blood type wrt Covid. It was only ever an on-going research area, still is. Why would you or anyone think that you have to do something about it? Did your doctor tell you to worry about it? Did the CDC? Did Trump?

The "problem", if there is one (and actually, there isn't) is only in your head. You created the problem out of thin air and you're clinging to it like grim death because you think it illustrates something, which it does not. You're stressing yourself for no purpose. Why are you doing that?

Stop reading specialized technical articles that you're not qualified to understand, that would be my advice.

The Type A blood issue was only an example.  The CDC, politicians, and other experts have flipped flopped on all sorts of issues that just confuse the public. 

[faberryman]

It's not the worriers like me.  It's the others who don't worry who decide the "experts" are confused and politicians are distrustful because they keep changing their minds and do what they tell the public not to do like Gov Newsom of CA eating inside a restaurant.  It's these doubters, especially the ones out of work,  who won't use masks and follow other guidelines.

Gosh, I thought you were worried because you can't believe the experts because they are always changing their minds, like about Type A blood, but now it seems you trust what the experts are saying about "masks and other guidelines" and are worried because other people don't trust the experts because they are always changing their minds, and so other people, especially the ones out of work, don't listen to what the experts are saying about "masks and other guidelines."

So do you trust the experts or not?

Why do you think that other people come to a different conclusion than you do about believing or not believing the experts?

The Type A blood issue was only an example.  The CDC, politicians, and other experts have flipped flopped on all sorts of issues that just confuse the public.

Are you a member of the public? Are you confused? If not, why not?

[LesPalenik]

This article will add some context to the information in Slobodan's graphic.

https://wineindustryadvisor.com/2021/03/31/nielseniq-beverage-alcohol-update-march

And that doesn't take into account all the wine Joe Kitchen makes.

[faberryman]

Easy for scientists and politicians to speculate at what you should do.  It doesn't affect their salary.  They're still working.

They are just giving advice based on their education, training, and experience about the best way to protect the public from illness or death. The politicians, with input from the economists, will decide what, if any, restrictions to impose on the country.

What is your alternative? Shall we not listen to the scientists, and not factor what they say into decisions about what to do?

Is their anything else you would like to complain about today?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Shall we not listen to the scientists, and not factor what they say into decisions about what to do? ...

Oh, sure, WE should factor it in OUR decisions, not let the government factor it for us, then penalize us for not obeying what they decided is in our best interest.

[Alan Klein]

Gosh, I thought you were worried because you can't believe the experts because they are always changing their minds, like about Type A blood, but now it seems you trust what the experts are saying about "masks and other guidelines" and are worried because other people don't trust the experts because they are always changing their minds, and so other people, especially the ones out of work, don't listen to what the experts are saying about "masks and other guidelines."

So do you trust the experts or not?

Why do you think that other people come to a different conclusion than you do about believing or not believing the experts?

Are you a member of the public? Are you confused? If not, why not?

Because I'm an old fart and 50% of the dead are my age.   

[Alan Klein]

They are just giving advice based on their education, training, and experience about the best way to protect the public from illness or death. The politicians, with input from the economists, will decide what, if any, restrictions to impose on the country.

What is your alternative? Shall we not listen to the scientists, and not factor what they say into decisions about what to do?

Is their anything else you would like to complain about today?

That's not what you've been preaching.  You've said politicians should only listen to the scientists, not to the economists. Even Biden says that mumbling through his mask. "I'm going to listen to the scientists."

[faberryman]

Oh, sure, WE should factor it in OUR decisions, not let the government factor it for us, then penalize us for not obeying what they decided is in our best interest.

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