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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #15200 on: July 18, 2022, 12:26:52 pm »

Peter, you haven't been reading my posts.  I've said many times that there were hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud by businesses who applied for stimulus money to pay their employees.  They got the money and put it in their pockets.  The employees were given nothing.  The IRS and government have waived all investigations for everyone who got this money if it was under I believe around two million per application.  So all this money was stolen from us and the government is doing nothing.  Well, of course, they're doing nothing.  It isn't their money. Why should they care?   

• False - The post above is itself a fraudulent claim regarding what the federal government is doing to prosecute and recover money from fraudulent claims. Here's 64 pages of government "doing nothing" to prosecute fraud and recover money. The amount of fraud in these cases starts at $0 for filing fraudulent documents, where no money was received, and goes up from there...

https://www.arnoldporter.com/cares-act-fraud-tracker
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« Reply #15201 on: July 18, 2022, 12:30:34 pm »

Most people here don't fact-check my postings.

Who has that much time? There are still only 24 hours in a day and people do need to sleep once in awhile.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #15202 on: July 18, 2022, 04:10:01 pm »

All they do is attack me personally and not what I had to say.

Yet another fairytale...

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« Reply #15203 on: July 18, 2022, 04:36:29 pm »

If you don't go after low-level crime like shoplifting, it escalates into more dangerous types where people are robbed and assaulted. Criminals become more brazen.  Inner cities and minority neighborhoods are hurt the worse as businesses don't move in or shut down because they can't keep up with the losses due to theft.  See my above article how Starbucks is abandoning 16 locations.  So the poor people living there can't shop locally or have to pay premium prices because the storekeepers raise prices to cover their theft loses.  Tourists and other visitors stop visiting even better neighborhoods for fear of being victims.  Cities fail.

That's nice but no ever mentioned NOT going after low-level crime.

Changing the subject, I'd be curious to hear your views on Liz Cheney. She is by no means anything other than a conservative, but I gather that many regard her as a RINO. Can your tribe really no longer distinguish between a conservative and and being a Trump supporter?
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« Reply #15204 on: July 18, 2022, 05:48:32 pm »

* The persistent state of victimhood has been driven so deep into the Trumpublican mindset that they are now turning on each other with accusations of election fraud in their primary races. Combined with the requirement to be crazier and more extreme than your competitor, it's like watching Lord of the Flies being acted out in the Republican Party these days. Oh... and they're all out to SAVE AMERICA!

https://apnews.com/article/republican-primary-losers-claim-fraud-parroting-trump

Parroting Trump, GOP primary losers cast doubt on elections

AP - July 17, 2022 - Nicholas Riccardi

It was no shock that state Rep. Ron Hanks and Mesa County Clerk Tina Peters handily lost their recent Republican primaries in Colorado for U.S. Senate and secretary of state.

Hanks was outspent 14-to-1 by his rival. Peters, who was vying to become Colorado’s top elections official, had been indicted on seven felony charges alleging she helped orchestrate a breach of her voting system’s hard drive.

But this past week, both candidates formally requested recounts of their primary elections from June 28, suggesting widespread irregularities seen by no one other than their own campaigns and allies.

“I have reasons to believe extensive malfeasance occurred in the June 2022 primary,” Peters wrote in her recount request, “and that the apparent outcome of this election does not reflect the will of Colorado voters not only for myself but also for many other America First statewide and local primary candidates.”

America First is a coalition of conservative candidates and officeholders who, among other things, promote the falsehood that Democrat Joe Biden did not win the 2020 presidential election.

This idea has seeped deeply into this year’s Republican primaries, which have revealed a new political strategy among numerous candidates: running on a platform that denies President Donald Trump’s defeat two years ago. As some of those candidates lose their own races, they are reaching new frontiers in election denial by insisting that those primaries, too, were rigged.

“There’s a clear reason they’re doing it, and it’s a much broader, coordinated attack on the freedom to vote across the country,” said Joanna Lydgate of States United Action. Her group supports election officials who recognize the validity of the 2020 election.

Noting that she coaches youth basketball, Lydgate added another reason: “Really, what this is is people who are sore losers, people who don’t want to accept defeat.”

The primary losers have an obvious role model: Trump himself.

After his first election loss during his 2016 run for the White House, in the Iowa caucuses, Trump baselessly claimed fraud and demanded an investigation. When he was elected president later that year, he claimed that fraud was the reason Democrat Hillary Clinton won more votes than he did. Trump set up a commission to try to prove that. That commission was disbanded when it failed to produce any evidence.

After his 2020 defeat, Trump and his supporters lost 63 of 64 legal challenges to the election. Trump continued to blame fraud, without evidence, even after his own attorney general and election reviews in the states failed to turn up any widespread wrongdoing that would have any impact on the outcome.

This year’s post-primary election denial may be a preview for November, when Republicans face Democrats in thousands of races across the country. The GOP is expected to do well — an expectation that could set the stage for more false claims of fraud when some of those candidates lose...

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #15205 on: July 18, 2022, 06:51:47 pm »

That's nice but no ever mentioned NOT going after low-level crime.

Changing the subject, I'd be curious to hear your views on Liz Cheney. She is by no means anything other than a conservative, but I gather that many regard her as a RINO. Can your tribe really no longer distinguish between a conservative and and being a Trump supporter?
Liz Cheney and Trump got into a spat a few years ago.  Trump really went after her trying to destroy her.  Jan 6th is her chance for payback.  Same with the other guy, Republican Adam Kinzinger.   That's why Democrat Pelosi the Speaker picked them to be on the committee.  She refused to allow other Republicans who didn;t have it in for Trump to be on the committee.  She should have.  It would have allowed cross-examination of witnesses that presented the opposite side.  Instead, there are 7 Democrats and two prejudiced anti-Trump Republicans on the committee with no balance at all.  That's why it's a show trial.   Only the anti-Trump inquisitors are providing the evidence.

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« Reply #15206 on: July 18, 2022, 07:00:44 pm »

Regarding RINO, I always like her father VP Dick Cheney who developed the nickname Darth Vader by his opponents.  You got to like a guy who shot his hunting partner an attorney with a shotgun on a quail bird hunt.  I always wondered if the Secret Service frisked him going forward before allowing him to see President Bush in the Oval Office. 

Trump had a similar spat with Senator McCain.  I knew McCain would get even and did when he refused to go along with other Republicans by voting not to bury Obamacare.  Trump has a habit of burning bridges with people he needs or legislation he wants.  He doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.   

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« Reply #15207 on: July 18, 2022, 07:14:43 pm »

New poll rating.  These people are blaming Biden not the Russians or gas station owners. 

Biden approval on economy hits new low: poll
President Biden’s economic approval ratings have hit a record low for his presidency — and surpassed the lowest ratings of the previous two presidents, new polling shows.

A CNBC All-America Economic survey put Biden’s economic approval rating at 30 percent, 5 points below a previous survey in April.


That number is also 11 points below the low for former President Trump and 7 points below the lowest for former President Obama.

Biden’s overall presidential approval in the poll was one point lower than Trump’s lowest rating, at 36 percent.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3563946-biden-approval-on-economy-hits-new-low-poll/

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« Reply #15208 on: July 18, 2022, 07:38:01 pm »

She [Speaker Pelosi] refused to allow other Republicans who didn;t [didn't] have it in for Trump to be on the committee.

False as already discussed in detail.

• July 1, 2021 - Pelosi appoints 7 Democrats and Republican Liz Cheney to the "Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol" with Bennie Thompson as chairman. McCarthy recommends Republican members Jim Banks as Ranking Member along with Jim Jordan, Rodney Davis, Kelly Armstrong, and Troy Nehls.

• July 21, 2021 - Pelosi informs McCarthy that she would reject the recommendations of Jordan and Banks due to "concern about statements made and actions taken" by those members and to insure respect for the integrity of the committee's investigation. She approves the other recommendations made by McCarthy. McCarthy threatens to name no one to the committee unless all are approved. They aren't and McCarthy withdraws all of his recommendations.

The current House Select Committee was only formed after a Republican minority in the senate blocked passage of a bipartisan citizen's commission to investigate the insurrection on January 6th by filibuster. They used the filibuster as a big broom to sweep what happened under the rug.

Alan already knows this, but he doesn't care.
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« Reply #15209 on: July 18, 2022, 07:44:20 pm »

...Trump... doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut...

He's also a sociopathic compulsive dangerous liar that's an ongoing threat to democracy. You apparently haven't noticed.
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« Reply #15210 on: July 18, 2022, 07:50:34 pm »

Liz Cheney and Trump... [Blah, Blah,... Blah, Blah, Blah]

A phony narrative in collaboration with Trump's BIG LIE strategy which created the entire insurrection mess.
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« Reply #15211 on: July 18, 2022, 09:47:58 pm »

He doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.   

He’s not the only one.
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« Reply #15212 on: July 18, 2022, 09:59:38 pm »

Only the anti-Trump inquisitors are providing the evidence.

Ali Alexander [née Akbal]

He has been subpoenaed by both the Department of Justice and the U.S. House of Representatives. He’s admitted to “scheming” up a way to put “maximum pressure” on Congress as it did its constitutionally mandated duty on January 6, 2021, saying on camera that his partners in this scheming were Donald Trump congressional allies Reps. Mo Brooks (R-AL), Andy Biggs (R-AZ), and Paul Gosar (R-AZ). He has admitted that he spoke directly with one of Trump’s top political advisers—Kimberly Guilfoyle, who was then and is now engaged to Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr.—on both Insurrection Eve and Insurrection Day. Proof has reported, with full sourcing, that in the days prior to the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol he was in touch with many U.S. senators and members of the House. He was formerly associated with the shadowy Groundswell group run by far-right insurrectionist Ginni Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. He spent November 2020, December 2020, and early January 2021 surrounded by three far-right paramilitary groups whose members acted as his bodyguards—the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and the First Amendment Praetorians—and admits he was the one who encouraged and legitimized the Oath Keepers’ presence at the Capitol on January 6 by asking them to provide security for an event he’d scheduled (under a false name) for the Capitol grounds at the same time Congress was slated to confirm the November 2020 election of Joe Biden as President of the United States. The extremists who first breached the Capitol at that hour, the Arizona Proud Boys, had travelled to D.C. in conjunction with him and had even dressed themselves in a fashion he’d prescribed for them prior to their Capitol attack.

And he was handpicked by then-president Donald Trump to be the leader of the march on the U.S. Capitol that devolved into the worst attack on America’s capital since the War of 1812.

From the moment in summer 2020 when Ali Alexander picked up a phrase, “Stop the Steal”, coined by longtime Trump friend and political adviser Roger Stone—Stone being one of Alexander’s two primary political mentors—the twice-convicted ex-con was obsessed with the color orange. Alexander has since claimed that God spoke to him and “gave” him that color as his chromatic sigil, but as with nearly everything else Alexander (real name: Ali Akbar) has ever said about himself, it lies somewhere between highly improbable and an outright fabrication. In any case, by the time the investigation of January 6 had begun in earnest, the man Trump affectionately called “Sammy” every time he met with him in person or spoke to him by phone was on the lam and in hiding from the FBI.

After centuries of red being generally deemed the color of revolution in the West and in Russia, the color orange came to be associated with revolution beginning with the Orange Revolution in Ukraine in 2004. I know a bit about this era in Europe’s history because I got my start in political journalism covering two political events: the 2004 U.S. presidential election and the Orange Revolution, both of them turning points in the history of voting rights (the former in the United States, the latter internationally). The 2004 presidential election saw Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, now a close associate of Ginni Thomas, move voting machines out of black neighborhoods in Cuyahoga County (OH) en masse, producing voting lines as long as fourteen hours in the battleground state solely responsible for keeping Republican George W. Bush in the White House for a second term; the Orange Revolution was a grassroots effort in Ukraine to overturn an election slightly more fraudulent than America’s 2004 one, which had been made so by the machinations of future Ginni Thomas advisee Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign manager Paul Manafort (then working as a Rasputin-like puppetmaster for Vladimir Putin’s puppet president in Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych).

The Orange Revolution was striking for another reason that hits much closer to home now that we know that Ali Alexander’s explicit plan for January 6 was to occupy the U.S. Capitol long enough for the plan Trump had outlined to state legislators and Stop the Steal leadership 96 hours earlier—a group that included Alexander mentor, Oath Keeper, and Arizona state legislator Mark Finchem—to be effectuated. This seditious plot, devised by Ginni Thomas and others and known as the “Green Bay Sweep” ever since just-subpoenaed Trump co-conspirator and top Trump adviser Peter Navarro admitted (live on MSNBC) that it existed and that that’s what it was called internally at the White House, was intended to see Chuck Grassley (as advised by Ginni Thomas friend Barbara Ledeen) sitting in for VP Mike Pence on January 6 and adjourning the joint session of Congress prematurely so the results of the 2020 presidential election could be (as Trump repeatedly put it publicly and privately) “sent back to the states.”

This euphemism for a coup simply meant Trump needed more time for three things to happen: (1) for GOP state legislators to meet in special session to invalidate their prior certifications of the 2020 election results; (2) for Trump partisans to form slates of fake “electors” in at least six of the battleground states Trump lost, with these fraudsters filing forged documents with federal officials and offices as quickly as possible and thereafter travelling to Washington, D.C. for a rescheduled joint session of Congress; and (3) for a far-right Supreme Court ideologically led by Ginni Thomas’s husband Clarence to have started hearing the appeal in the Gohmert Lawsuit at such time as Congress reconvened, which would give House Republicans sufficient basis to refuse to certify Biden’s landslide election victory and instead force a “delegation” vote for POTUS in the U.S. House (which Republicans believed they had the numbers to win).

But none of this could happen if Ali Alexander couldn’t effectuate his American-style Orange Revolution. Indeed, the specific idea of occupying a politically sensitive and highly visible space long enough to cause a regime change comes from—you guessed it—the Orange Revolution, in which Ukrainian citizens decked out in bright-orange garb just like Ali Alexander was throughout November and December 2020 occupied Independence Square in Kyiv for long enough to produce the demise of the Kremlin-backed, Manafort-advised regime that had taken power there. In a cruel perversion of history, Alexander would use not only the same technique and chromatic symbology as the Ukrainians had but would do so to keep in power a Kremlin-backed American politician, Trump, who had been advised by none other than Paul Manafort for years.

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« Reply #15213 on: July 18, 2022, 10:18:10 pm »

You fabricated a conspiracy from Ukraine to the Supreme Court to manafort who I believe has been in jail for years for tax fraud. Trump never pardoned him. 

How do you sleep at night with all these conspiracies? Didn't you also believe that Trump conspired and colluded with the Russians?  Six years and you guys never stop.

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« Reply #15214 on: July 18, 2022, 10:38:53 pm »

You fabricated a conspiracy from Ukraine to the Supreme Court …

Just say thank you for giving you something more to sound off on for another 200 pages …
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« Reply #15215 on: July 18, 2022, 11:17:23 pm »

It looks like the Germans are going to have to rely on their windmills to stay warm this winter. Nordstream was shut down.  Trump told the Germans not to do it.  Thoughtful Biden reflexively overruled Trump, just because, and approved Nordstream.  Didn't anyone in Europe see blackmail coming with Nord Stream I and II? Hopefully, Global Warming will produce a warmer winter.  They ought to enjoy the warmer weather they have now.     


Russia’s Gazprom tells European buyers it cannot guarantee gas supplies
Force majeure declared in letter to customers concerns supplies via Nord Stream 1 pipeline, says source
Flows through the pipeline are at zero as the link undergoes annual maintenance that began on 11 July and is meant to conclude on Thursday.

Europe fears Moscow could keep the pipeline mothballed in retaliation for sanctions imposed on Russia over the war in Ukraine, heightening an energy crisis that risks tipping the region in recession.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jul/18/russias-gazprom-tells-europe-cutoff-of-gas-beyond-firm-control-force-majeure-letter-nord-stream-pipeline

Brussels plans emergency gas rationing for EU countries
The plan comes amid warnings that Russian President Vladimir Putin is weaponizing gas supplies to the EU in retaliation for sanctions imposed over Moscow's invasion of Ukraine. Russian gas exporter Gazprom has already cut or curtailed deliveries to customers in 12 countries and there are fears the Kremlin may decide not to restart the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream pipeline on July 21, after it was temporarily halted last week for routine maintenance.
https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-plans-emergency-gas-rationing-for-eu-countries/

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« Reply #15216 on: July 19, 2022, 01:11:45 am »

...manafort who I believe has been in jail for years for tax fraud. Trump never pardoned him... 

• False - Manafort was pardoned by Trump on December 23, 2020 along with Roger Stone and Charles Kushner (Jared's dad). Manafort was Trump's 2016 campaign manager, who colluded with Russian intelligence asset Konstantin Kilimnik to provide them with private campaign targeting and messaging data to aid Russia's interference in the presidential election. Manafort had long standing deep ties to Russian and Ukrainian political and intelligence figures and operatives prior to becoming Trump's campaign manager.
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« Reply #15217 on: July 19, 2022, 01:56:22 am »

Ali Alexander [née Akbal]

He has been subpoenaed by both the Department of Justice and the U.S. House of Representatives. He’s admitted to “scheming” up a way to put “maximum pressure” on Congress as it did its constitutionally mandated duty on January 6, 2021, saying on camera that his partners in this scheming were Donald Trump congressional allies Reps. Mo Brooks (R-AL), Andy Biggs (R-AZ), and Paul Gosar (R-AZ)...

I wanted to thank you for your earlier link to the in-depth story by Seth Abramson. You're likely already aware that Ali Alexander features prominently in a documentary which has not yet been released called The Steal. The Guardian has reviewed some of the behind the scenes footage of events leading up to the insurrection on January 6th captured by the filmmakers.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/07/roger-stone-ali-alexander-film-jan-6-stop-the-steal

Film offers inside look at Roger Stone’s ‘Stop the Steal’ efforts before January 6

Footage shows key moments of planning with fellow activist Ali Alexander to overturn election results in Trump’s favor

The Guardian - July 8, 2022 - Hugo Lowell - Excerpt Below...

Weeks before the Capitol attack, top Republican political activists Roger Stone and Ali Alexander identified the January 6 congressional certification as the final chance for Donald Trump to attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

The focus on the congressional certification, according to sources familiar with the matter, was one of several areas they marked as potential flashpoints to exploit as leaders of the “Stop the Steal” movement to help Trump reverse his defeat to Joe Biden.

As Stone and Alexander mounted their political operation, their activities were recorded by two conservative film-makers in the post-2020 election period and in the weeks before January 6.

The access meant the film-makers, Jason Rink and Paul Escandon, captured footage of the leaders of the Stop the Steal movement and their interactions with top Trump allies, according to a teaser for the documentary titled The Steal.

In following Stop the Steal, the film-makers’ project documented key moments in the timeline leading up to the Capitol attack, including an “occupation” of the Georgia state capitol in November, and rallies in Washington that almost seemed like dry runs for January 6.

They also caught on camera public and private moments at Stop the Steal events. Among others who appear in the documentary are the House Republican Paul Gosar, former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, and Trump’s former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

At one point, the footage reviewed by the Guardian shows, Alexander appears to presage the flashpoint that would be January 6, saying of Biden: “The House and the Senate must certify the electoral college. There is no president-elect until the electoral college meets.”

Taken together, the footage gives an inside look at the efforts of Stop the Steal’s leaders – notably Alexander, who was something of a protege to Stone, Trump’s longest-serving adviser – to somehow stop Biden from becoming president...

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« Reply #15218 on: July 19, 2022, 07:46:59 am »

You're likely already aware that Ali Alexander features prominently in a documentary which has not yet been released called The Steal.

Thank you, indeed, for the heads-up. Though I’d heard it rumoured I’d not researched it in any depth and certainly was unaware of the Guardian article. Is the ‘delayed’ release a consequence of the ongoing Jan-6 hearings or are there other (commercial) reasons ?

Again, many thanks.
M

Edit:
A google search retrieves plenty on ‘The Art of the Steal’ (Kurt Russell, 2013) but nothing on ‘The Steal’.
I did though come across this in today’s NYT:

How ‘Stop the Steal’ Captured the American Right
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/19/magazine/stop-the-steal.html
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« Reply #15219 on: July 19, 2022, 08:00:24 am »

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Trump had a similar spat with Senator McCain.  I knew McCain would get even and did when he refused to go along with other Republicans by voting not to bury Obamacare.  Trump has a habit of burning bridges with people he needs or legislation he wants.  He doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

You're nothing if not inventive with your conspiracies. Do you really believe that if McCain was truly against Obamacare, that he would have not voted against it just to spite Trump? That's just a bit farfetched for me. I don't doubt that politicians can be vain and spiteful, but come on already. When your theories become too off the wall, they're not entertaining anymore.
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