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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4740 on: December 22, 2020, 06:00:05 pm »

Incidentally, I have a B.A. in history, 1994, American concentration.

 But can you spell??
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« Reply #4741 on: December 22, 2020, 06:02:38 pm »

But can you spell??

Absulutally not.  (But I know there's no "u" in "color" or "honor."  ;)  )
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4742 on: December 22, 2020, 06:20:16 pm »

Yep - that's it!

I don't remember that one (Midway).  It seems to get some poor-ish reviews.

The new Midway (2019 or so?) gets back reviews because of the wooden acting, the cliches, the nurses with Hawaiian blouses and pouty lips, etc., but I *really* liked the computer simulations of the ships and the planes and the aerial combat. Watched it twice, for that.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4743 on: December 22, 2020, 06:40:28 pm »

The new Midway (2019 or so?) gets back reviews because of the wooden acting, the cliches, the nurses with Hawaiian blouses and pouty lips, etc., but I *really* liked the computer simulations of the ships and the planes and the aerial combat. Watched it twice, for that.

Ah.  Then you would also like Dogfights.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4744 on: December 22, 2020, 06:42:38 pm »

The new Midway (2019 or so?) gets back reviews because of the wooden acting, the cliches, the nurses with Hawaiian blouses and pouty lips, etc., but I *really* liked the computer simulations of the ships and the planes and the aerial combat. Watched it twice, for that.

I appreciated that it was more historically accurate than the 1976 version. There was of course some Hollywood fiction, but it was relatively minimal. The 2019 version told some interesting true stories, that might appear to be Hollywood invention, but are actually true and accurately represented in the film. It brings attention to the stories of some of the real life heroes that day using their actual names and actions.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2019/11/07/midway-fact-checking-new-nick-jonas-darren-criss-wwii-movie

These American World War II heroes might seem too awe-inspiring to be true, portrayed by actors such as Nick Jonas, Darren Criss and Ed Skrein in "Midway."

But their exploits ring true in the pivotal battle that took Japan off the naval offensive after Pearl Harbor, even though they've been Hollywood-ized by director Roland Emmerich in the drama, heading to Blu-ray home release Feb. 18.

"The battle itself was so remarkable, if you made anything up, you were really doing a disservice to these men's sacrifices," says screenwriter Wes Tooke. "There’s no character beat here that didn’t actually happen."

Retired U.S. Navy Rear Adm. Samuel J. Cox, director of the Naval History and Heritage Command and the Navy's liaison for the film, says the movie is more accurate than 1976's "Midway" starring Charlton Heston and Henry Fonda. Cox ultimately gave the current telling a strong thumbs up....

Cox was especially excited to see an accurate depiction of American code breakers, lead by Joseph Rochefort (Brennan Brown) and Naval Intelligence officer Edwin Layton (Patrick Wilson). The group determined the time and location of the Japanese surprise attack, even the direction from which the strike would come, with stunning accuracy.

Rochefort did wear a smoking jacket and slippers in the code breakers' chilly office, Cox says, though mostly for warmth.

"They did have a sign in their space saying, 'You don’t have to be crazy, but it helps if you work here.' They were a unique group of officers," says Cox.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4745 on: December 22, 2020, 06:46:04 pm »

For Christ's sake, stop shooting unarmed black men.

Unarmed Black man fatally shot by Columbus police officer responding to noise complaint

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2020/12/22/one-killed-after-police-shooting-northwest-side/4004989001/
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« Reply #4746 on: December 22, 2020, 06:48:52 pm »

So is this what they were up all night negotiating?

"Three-martini lunch" tax break draws outrage. It also may fall short for restaurants.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/three-martini-lunch-stimulus-bill-tax-break-restaurant-aid/
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« Reply #4747 on: December 22, 2020, 07:10:14 pm »

"Three-martini lunch" tax break draws outrage. It also may fall short for restaurants.

For months, Trump has been pushing this provision—an expanded tax benefit for company-financed business meals—as a way to revive the restaurant industry.  It was one of the concessions congressional Democrats and fiscally-conservative Republicans made in the hope of getting him to approve the legislation.  (It is still not certain he will sign it.)

Needless to say, Trump has a personal financial interest in encouraging tax-deductible restaurant meals.  Also needless to say, the small, family-owned, restaurants that are teetering on the brink of financial ruin don't attract the majority of corporate business clients.

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« Reply #4748 on: December 22, 2020, 07:12:12 pm »

Rochefort did wear a smoking jacket and slippers in the code breakers' chilly office, Cox says, though mostly for warmth.

So were the smoking jacket and slippers Army issue, because I think my father just got a sweater? It was a nice sweater; looked brand new 50 years later, but that green color never came back in style.
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« Reply #4749 on: December 22, 2020, 07:16:41 pm »

For months, Trump has been pushing this provision—an expanded tax benefit for company-financed business meals—as a way to revive the restaurant industry.  It was one of the concessions congressional Democrats and fiscally-conservative Republicans made in the hope of getting him to approve the legislation.  (It is still not certain he will sign it.)

I am just thinking that if I had even had a one martini lunch I probably wouldn't make it back to the office. Three martinis and I wouldn't make it out of the restaurant.
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« Reply #4750 on: December 22, 2020, 07:24:55 pm »

I am just thinking that if I had even had a one martini lunch I probably would make it back to the office. Three martinis and I wouldn't make it out of the restaurant.

Sissy. Real men have FIVE martini lunches.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4751 on: December 22, 2020, 07:38:24 pm »

Any Trump supporter out there think any of these pardons were deserved? No whatabout previous presidents allowed.

Trump announces wave of pardons, including Papadopoulos and former lawmakers Hunter and Collins

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/politics/trump-pardons/index.html
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4752 on: December 22, 2020, 07:41:46 pm »

I am just thinking that if I had even had a one martini lunch I probably would make it back to the office. Three martinis and I wouldn't make it out of the restaurant.

Long ago, as a very young reporter, I occasionally would pick the brain over lunch of a much more senior (and much bigger: easily six-foot-four and 250 pounds) colleague, a veteran of several Southeast Asian wars who had rotated back to the States for a tour in Washington.

His favorite restaurant was a seafood place a couple of blocks from our office which offered rather good and reasonably-priced food, but whose pièce de résistance from his perspective was its extremely generous "birdbath martinis."

One steamy Washington summer afternoon, after a shared assignment covering a congressional hearing on Capitol Hill, we repaired to the restaurant for a late lunch.  He (I'll refer to him as Sean, because that was his name) ordered a birdbath martini and I followed suit.  He ordered a second one when I was about halfway through my first.  When he ordered the third and I said nothing, he stared at me and suggested—it seemed more like an order—"you should have another one."  So I did.

I don't recall what we ate for lunch that day or even whether we did eat.  I do recall walking out of the air-conditioned restaurant into the 95℉ heat and feeling like I had hit a brick wall.  I was woozy and, I guess, visibly weaving.  "You'll get used to it, kid," Sean said with a slightly condescending smile.

But after that, when we went to lunch I ordered a beer.

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« Reply #4753 on: December 22, 2020, 08:14:30 pm »

The new Midway (2019 or so?) gets back reviews because of the wooden acting, the cliches, the nurses with Hawaiian blouses and pouty lips, etc.,

I don't like to post personal things online, but I'll share this. I had a family member that was an Army nurse in World War II. Being a lover of history, I would try to talk to her about her experience, but she generally didn't want to discuss it. Finally, late in life, she started to open up about it.

She wasn't a battlefield nurse; she worked in an Army hospital. Her duties were a rotation thru three wards: the burn ward, plastic surgery, and the German POW ward. She remembered one of the patients, who was disfigured from facial burns, telling her "You don't seem scared to look at me Lieutenant, like the other nurses seem to be." She said, "Oh why would I be afraid of you. The only patients that scare me are the POWs. I'm worried that one of them might grab me as a hostage and try to escape—but I know that you'd protect me." She said he smiled at that and that what she told him was true; she always was concerned that a POW might grab her in an attempt to escape.

She also told me about reading "Dear John letters" to patients who were disfigured in the war and had a wife or sweetheart write to say that they loved them, but just couldn't face seeing them this way again. I responded that it was horrible for them to turn their back that way on a loved one. She surprised me by telling me that it wasn't for me to judge these women. She had talked to some of them after a visit and they truly did love the man they just saw and that was why they couldn't bear to see them this way again and be reminded of how much pain and suffering had been inflicted on their loved one. She said that she could bear it because she was a nurse that was trained to temporarily care for their wounds in the hospital. She said that the wives and sweethearts had no way of knowing or predicting how they might react to the situation in which they now found themselves—that no one did. She said, matter-of-factly, that I would learn that there are some things in life that one person can deal with that another can't and that it didn't make one of them a bad person or one better than another. I let that sink in awhile and realized that she was right.

She told the men she read the letters to the same thing. She reassured them that there was hope for finding someone else, that wouldn't be remembering what their life together was like before the war, who would accept them as they were now and look to their future. She was a wise woman in many ways. And though she didn't face a battlefield, she faced other challenges in life that made her a hero to me.

That wasn't political, but since this is a photo site... She pulled out an album and showed me a funny picture of her sitting in a trash can on base wearing army fatigues. In another, she looked very sharp and crisp in her dress uniform accepting her commission into the Army Nurse Corps. And the final surprise was when she died, we discovered that she had prearranged everything to the last detail and instructed that she wanted a full military funeral. She was quite a gal and I was lucky to know her!
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4754 on: December 22, 2020, 08:24:50 pm »

For Christ's sake, stop shooting unarmed black men.

Unarmed Black man fatally shot by Columbus police officer responding to noise complaint

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2020/12/22/one-killed-after-police-shooting-northwest-side/4004989001/

Were there also any white men shot lately? I haven't read this year any reports about white victims killed by police. Is it due to selective reporting or selective killing? 
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« Reply #4755 on: December 22, 2020, 08:30:46 pm »

So is this what they were up all night negotiating?

"Three-martini lunch" tax break draws outrage. It also may fall short for restaurants.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/three-martini-lunch-stimulus-bill-tax-break-restaurant-aid/

How about McDonald's Triple Chocolate Shake. Does that qualify for the tax deduction? Or only with a McPlant burger?
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« Reply #4756 on: December 22, 2020, 08:38:18 pm »

Any Trump supporter out there think any of these pardons were deserved? No whatabout previous presidents allowed.

Trump announces wave of pardons, including Papadopoulos and former lawmakers Hunter and Collins

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/22/politics/trump-pardons/index.html

And the Pres, with the power of a King, just says Boo and it's done, just like that. No justification, no reason. Wow. I mean, I knew it could happen, but to actually do it?

How is this a thing?
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« Reply #4757 on: December 22, 2020, 08:44:30 pm »

And the Pres, with the power of a King, just says Boo and it's done, just like that. No justification, no reason. Wow. I mean, I knew it could happen, but to actually do it?

How is this a thing?

not unexpected, coming from Trump.
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« Reply #4758 on: December 22, 2020, 08:47:46 pm »

I have no doubt that software coders have signature styles. That seems almost like a duh to me. And whoever, maybe it was John, said that you can read a book ostensibly written by some famous guy like Tom Clancy, but it is really written by his protégé or whatever, well you don't have to finish the first page to know it is a fake Clancy novel, which is a little bit of a letdown because you have only read the first page and you know it is not going to be as good, no matter how talented the protégé is. So while I think some [pick your favorite country] guy could do a pretty good imitation of a Russian code writing hacker or whatever, it would be an imitation and not a replication, and so the guys on the other side would know that and not fail for that old fake out move. Of course some conspiracy theory guys like to think up conspiracy theories where one side falls for the fake out move, but unless you are a halfwit, you know they are not true. Generally, if you make up a conspiracy theory, you want to make it at least somewhat plausible so readers don't start rolling their eyes too soon as you are explaining it. Generally.

Right... and I am sure you would have believed the current situation as credible if I had told you about it one month ago, right?

The official theory about what happened is a conspiracy theory in itself.

Isn't the main reason that makes it more credibly to you your pre-conceived idea that the Russians are a threat?

Besides, I am frankly not sure that your analogy makes sense. Style of coding - if it's relevant to this hack which I doubt, what is at stake is more the strategy of the attack that the coding itself, is pretty different from novel style. And even if it weren't, I am not sure it's really possible to tell apart the fake from the original nowadays with the advances of deep learning techniques.

Finally, would mind explaining what you find not credible in the possibility of a conspiracy not led by Russians?
- some people in the US certainly have the skills to do the job
- faking a style of attack is technically possible
- some people in the US have vested interest in generating public support for a stronger stance against Russia. They are just patriots who think that the current administration's approach is too weak. They certainly think that if the Russians haven't done it yet they will some day,
- it has been done before many many times... do I need to remind you about the conspiracy by which the war in Irak was justified based on blatently falsified evidences presented by the Republican administration less than 20 years ago? Using a supposed attack as a justification to generate public support for measures against a foreign nation is on the first page of the book.

Cheers,
Bernard

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« Reply #4759 on: December 22, 2020, 08:51:27 pm »

I don't like to post personal things online, but I'll share this. I had a family member that was an Army nurse in World War II. Being a lover of history, I would try to talk to her about her experience, but she generally didn't want to discuss it. Finally, late in life, she started to open up about it.


My Godmother (and my mother's best friend growing up) was an Army nurse in World War II and Korea, and eventually retired in the 60s as a Lt. Colonel. I don't know if she was in any great danger, but she was in Europe during the fighting. She was also an interesting woman.
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