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« Reply #4700 on: December 22, 2020, 12:11:02 am »

John What would you call Tom Clancy's style and who would be similar today?  I read his Red October book and enjoyed the pace and details and technique.  Who would you recommend who writes like that today and what books? I don't read much fiction and find it usually very hard to get into a book. 

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« Reply #4701 on: December 22, 2020, 12:17:03 am »

In other words, no, you wouldn't like to re-evaluate.
I didn't say Russia, Iran and North Korea aren't threats.  Sure we have to deal with them. But they're a sideshow. China's the main issue this century.  For us and the rest of the world.

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« Reply #4702 on: December 22, 2020, 12:37:53 am »

As to the identification of hackers, I am not in any way conversant with real computer languages, except they seem to be in some away, **languages.** In addition to being a thriller writer, I am a longtime thriller reader and enthusiast. There has been a trend lately in mid-list (accomplished) authors taking over the books of deceased best-sellers, like the Robert Parker "Spenser" series. These writers are very good, but I can tell within a page that Parker didn't write whatever post-mortem book we're talking about. I can't even explain it, but I know. Recently, the author Lee Child, who writes the "Reacher" novels, turned the series over to his brother, with whom he is apparently quite close. His  brother is a talented writer himself, and the first Reacher book by Lee's brother was pretty good, but I could tell it wasn't written by Lee, and I could tell within the first few paragraphs. I know many people, thriller enthusiasts, who can do the same thing, or who will tell me at bookstore appearances that something in such and such a book of mine didn't seem quite like me. And when I look, they're inevitably right. It was me, but not in good form.

I suspect the same is true of code writers. They have a style, a feel, a way of doing things that other experts, who are familiar with them and have studied them, can tell that (say) the Russians are doing it, simply because of style. And style and feel are extremely hard to duplicate, or mimic. In thriller novels, it even comes down to the *spacing* you use between sections. Or the fact that somebody like James Patterson writes short snappy chapters, and somebody like John Connelly doesn't. So, I think it's quite possible that cyber experts could pick out Russians purely on feel.

From what I have read, these very sophisticated coders do have a variety of unique techniques and methods incorporated in their own signature style of writing and building code that are recognizable to top-tier cybersecurity analysts. Coding is considered by some in the field as much or more art as it is science. Additionally, some of the coding tools used may be developed in-house and recognizable in the code.

https://illumisoft.com/software-development-art-science/

Any seasoned software developer can attest, however, that each piece of software carries a style in the coding or design that’s unique to its developer. Software creators start with a vision, and use tools to bring that vision to life. They refine the product, add finishing touches, and look at it from every angle to ensure it is exactly how they want their work to be. Due to this fluid nature of programming software, we can say software development is more of an art than a science.

Software development is more art than science. Sure, the programming languages that comprise software development have rules and are highly systematic, but the application of these languages is an artistic, highly individual creation. Each piece of software reflects the individual who created it. No two pieces of software are identical. It is this highly individual nature of software creation that makes it so artistic, so one-of-a-kind.
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« Reply #4703 on: December 22, 2020, 12:50:28 am »

From what I have read, these very sophisticated coders do have a variety of unique techniques and methods incorporated in their own signature style of writing and building code that are recognizable to top-tier cybersecurity analysts. Coding is considered by some in the field as much or more art as it is science. Additionally, some of the coding tools used may be developed in-house and recognizable in the code.

https://illumisoft.com/software-development-art-science/

Any seasoned software developer can attest, however, that each piece of software carries a style in the coding or design that’s unique to its developer. Software creators start with a vision, and use tools to bring that vision to life. They refine the product, add finishing touches, and look at it from every angle to ensure it is exactly how they want their work to be. Due to this fluid nature of programming software, we can say software development is more of an art than a science.

Software development is more art than science. Sure, the programming languages that comprise software development have rules and are highly systematic, but the application of these languages is an artistic, highly individual creation. Each piece of software reflects the individual who created it. No two pieces of software are identical. It is this highly individual nature of software creation that makes it so artistic, so one-of-a-kind.

Like words in a novel, paper, term report, or newspaper.  If everyone wrote the same, even about the same things, it would be very boring.  We all bring our styles to words and photos too.  A D750 is a D750 regardless of who's shooting it.

EArly Japanese codes were broken because of style.  If I recall correctly, they always started off a transmission using weather or some other standard words.  Just to check the communications link.  Codebreakers knew what those words were and were able to work backward from that to help break the rest of the message encryption or codes. 

Another procedure was to continually transmit the encryption key even when there was no message that had to be transmitted.  Known as Traffic Flow Security, an enemy wouldn't know when a message started or stopped. They also wouldn't be able to determine when some military action was about to happen by an increase in messages let's say because there was no way to determine how many messages were actually being sent from one day to the next.  Of course you wouldn't use this method on an airplane or ship.  It would give away its position. 

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« Reply #4704 on: December 22, 2020, 12:57:11 am »

China's the main issue this century.  For us and the rest of the world.

You might want to let Ukraine know that, they have a different impression. I believe some Syrians that would like to oust their country's dictator might also need to be brought up to speed. Although it seems to me to be a point of view that is extremely narrow, grossly oversimplified, and limited in the recognition of the fluidity of global threats and events.
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« Reply #4705 on: December 22, 2020, 07:54:02 am »

I didn't say Russia, Iran and North Korea aren't threats.  Sure we have to deal with them. But they're a sideshow. China's the main issue this century.  For us and the rest of the world.

You may have missed this, http://gwynnedyer.com/2020/what-does-oil-rich-mean-daddy/.
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« Reply #4706 on: December 22, 2020, 09:39:10 am »

You might want to let Ukraine know that, they have a different impression. I believe some Syrians that would like to oust their country's dictator might also need to be brought up to speed. Although it seems to me to be a point of view that is extremely narrow, grossly oversimplified, and limited in the recognition of the fluidity of global threats and events.
You shouldn't dismiss the point that China is dangerous because small countries in Eastern Europe and the Middle East aren't having problems with them.  Or they're having bigger problems with Russia.  There were countries during the conflagration of WWII that didn't have problems with Nazi Germany either.  The point is China is huge and getting dangerous.  Their actions affect the world and certainly me, you, and others who read this thread. Brushing off that threat is perilous.

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« Reply #4707 on: December 22, 2020, 09:57:31 am »

We haven't gotten the shot for the first one yet.

Scientists scramble to assess mutated coronavirus
https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-scramble-assess-mutated-coronavirus-120728587.html

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« Reply #4708 on: December 22, 2020, 10:24:31 am »

You shouldn't dismiss the point that China is dangerous because small countries in Eastern Europe and the Middle East aren't having problems with them. 

He never dismissed that.
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« Reply #4709 on: December 22, 2020, 10:38:23 am »

He never dismissed that.

Sometimes you just have to throw your hands in the air and shake your head in disbelief. It also helps if you say aloud: "Oh, for God's sake." Of course there are plenty of other things you can say. You just have to figure out what works best for you. It varies.
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« Reply #4710 on: December 22, 2020, 10:54:20 am »

EArly Japanese codes were broken because of style. 
Someone ask Alan for proof of concept here, or maybe his term 'style' is foggy.
https://mesacountylibraries.org/2019/03/local-history-thursday-breaking-japanese-naval-code-in-world-war-ii/
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According to Urquhart, the Japanese used a system of syllabic writing called Kana in their code. Because the Japanese script could not be transmitted over the wire, the Japanese used the Latin alphabet instead, paring letters to transliterate the Japanese language. The American code breakers were able to figure out the Japanese code for “ship”. Then, by comparing the huge volume of intercepted communications, the code breakers gradually came to understand the secrets underlying JN25. They broke the code.
Style, yeah....  ;D
Indeed, OFTEN you just have to throw your hands in the air and shake your head in disbelief.  :'(
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« Reply #4711 on: December 22, 2020, 10:57:25 am »

We haven't gotten the shot for the first one yet.

Scientists scramble to assess mutated coronavirus
https://news.yahoo.com/scientists-scramble-assess-mutated-coronavirus-120728587.html
Far too often you just have to throw your hands in the air and shake your head in disbelief. From assumptions and an utter lack of trying to search for data.
Someone please tell Alan there is nothing in that URL that states a different Vaccine will be needed for this 'mutated' strain and at least thus far, the experts have said there's no evidence the current vaccines will not be just as effective.
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« Reply #4712 on: December 22, 2020, 11:10:36 am »

327,000+ dead in the USA according to Worldometer as of close of yesterday. Seems like the USA only just went past 300,000, sure added on that 27,000 in a hurry. I looked at the curve on the 7-day moving avg of daily deaths and the slope is levelling off at the moment. I hope that's a good sign, but there could be disruptions in data collections at this time of year as well. I hope that Christmas gatherings don't cause another spike but I'm pessimistic. Here in Canada, the provinces of Quebec and Ontario are going into a 28 day lockdown beginning Boxing day because of recent alarming statistics. So we're back to curb side shopping at most stores, grocery stores open but they are required to carefully restrict how many people are in the store at any one time. Any restaurants that had partially re-opened for indoor service move back to take-out only.
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« Reply #4713 on: December 22, 2020, 11:33:32 am »

Someone ask Alan for proof of concept here, or maybe his term 'style' is foggy.
https://mesacountylibraries.org/2019/03/local-history-thursday-breaking-japanese-naval-code-in-world-war-ii/Style, yeah....  ;D
Indeed, OFTEN you just have to throw your hands in the air and shake your head in disbelief.  :'(

Actually Alan is more or less correct here, at least in a general sense.  Allied listeners (and presumably Axis as well) understood that the "style" and language of a given message was pertinent to the accuracy or content therein. Understanding who was sending the message offered clues and context to the content, which in turn added another layer to the understanding that could be derived from the received messaging.

I wish I could give a better explanation, because it's fascinating stuff, but that's my basic recollection from prior studies. 
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« Reply #4714 on: December 22, 2020, 12:01:24 pm »

Actually Alan is more or less correct here, at least in a general sense.  Allied listeners (and presumably Axis as well) understood that the "style" and language of a given message was pertinent to the accuracy or content therein. Understanding who was sending the message offered clues and context to the content, which in turn added another layer to the understanding that could be derived from the received messaging.

I have seen a couple of movies, well I have see more than a couple of movies, but I remember two movies in particular, but only generally, one was a WWII submarine movie that I could probably find the name of if I looked, I don't remember the title because it was German with English subtitles, and even if I did remember the title I couldn't spell it, in which the British captured one of the German enigma machines, and another movie about the British code breakers at Bletchley, starring that guy whose last name is Cumberbatch or something similar, and both of them said that the British, mostly women I guess, who would monitor the wireless could identify the German wireless guys by their cadence when operating their telegraph keys, and that gave them clues about the content of the message. Of course they had to turn a perfectly good spy movie into a movie about being homosexual in the 1940s as if they didn't have enough material about breaking German codes and needed something else to fill out the allotted time. I am surprised nobody mentioned it yet, and here when I say "it" I mean about breaking the enigma code not the homosexual angle. Maybe you guys ought to start watching more movies. Some of the stuff in movies is true if you watch the right kind of movies. I also know that because I remember reading more than a few books about the subject, but I'm not likely to remember the titles of those either. It is hard to look up the titles of books you once read, but movies are a different story altogether.

I have no doubt that software coders have signature styles. That seems almost like a duh to me. And whoever, maybe it was John, said that you can read a book ostensibly written by some famous guy like Tom Clancy, but it is really written by his protégé or whatever, well you don't have to finish the first page to know it is a fake Clancy novel, which is a little bit of a letdown because you have only read the first page and you know it is not going to be as good, no matter how talented the protégé is. So while I think some [pick your favorite country] guy could do a pretty good imitation of a Russian code writing hacker or whatever, it would be an imitation and not a replication, and so the guys on the other side would know that and not fail for that old fake out move. Of course some conspiracy theory guys like to think up conspiracy theories where one side falls for the fake out move, but unless you are a halfwit, you know they are not true. Generally, if you make up a conspiracy theory, you want to make it at least somewhat plausible so readers don't start rolling their eyes too soon as you are explaining it. Generally.
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« Reply #4715 on: December 22, 2020, 12:10:12 pm »

Actually Alan is more or less correct here, at least in a general sense.  Allied listeners (and presumably Axis as well) understood that the "style" and language of a given message was pertinent to the accuracy or content therein. Understanding who was sending the message offered clues and context to the content, which in turn added another layer to the understanding that could be derived from the received messaging.

I wish I could give a better explanation, because it's fascinating stuff, but that's my basic recollection from prior studies.

I did provide a better explanation.
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« Reply #4716 on: December 22, 2020, 12:17:38 pm »

327,000+ dead in the USA according to Worldometer as of close of yesterday. Seems like the USA only just went past 300,000, sure added on that 27,000 in a hurry.
Worse, travel in the US is way up (a million per day over just the last three days according to TSA), the holiday is days away.
The variant ("Mutation") of the virus in the UK was traced back to September so, it's here in the US and elsewhere according to Dr. Fauci. UK experts are 'highly confident' that a new coronavirus variant is more contagious. But the experts don't think this will be an issue with the current virus, but more people will spread this virus, faster and to younger people. Scientists advising the UK government have estimated that this variant could be up to 70% more effective at spreading than others. Terrific.
40 countries have restricted travel from the UK thus far. Nothing (yet) from Trump who proudly tells us whenever he can, about his half-assed travel restrictions from China when the virus was in it's infancy. 
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« Reply #4717 on: December 22, 2020, 12:32:57 pm »

This new video has reportedly got under the dear leaders skin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxBPqCHFCcc
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« Reply #4718 on: December 22, 2020, 01:28:35 pm »

This new video has reportedly got under the dear leaders skin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxBPqCHFCcc

Those Lincoln Project videos are great. Though some are better than others, I haven't seen a bad one yet. They sure beat the usual generic drivel of some guy walking down a path in the park with his wife and two kids talking about American values and whatnot. I bet they have a bunch of them where they just change the voice over, and the part where the guy says he approves this message. For all I know, they use the same one for Antifa and the Proud Boys. They all seem to be the same to me. Maybe that's because I put the TV on mute whenever one of them comes on. That's what photographers should do - focus on the visuals and not be distracted by the commentary. Also, the commentary is not all that enlightening anyway.
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« Reply #4719 on: December 22, 2020, 01:43:08 pm »

You might want to let Ukraine know that, they have a different impression. I believe some Syrians that would like to oust their country's dictator might also need to be brought up to speed. Although it seems to me to be a point of view that is extremely narrow, grossly oversimplified, and limited in the recognition of the fluidity of global threats and events.

Yeah, if you setup a false dilemma like it is either the Russians or the Chinese, or worse yet like Trump who just always say it was the Chinese, you might miss the part about it being some Saudis who flew the planes into the twin towers. The best way to go about it is to be as paranoid as possible and keep an eye on everyone, instead of putting all your surveillance eggs in one or two baskets. Remember what Gene Hackman said in Enemy of the State: "Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you." Somebody else probably said it first, but let's just go with Gene Hackman.

By the way, Gene Hackman was terrible as Lex Luther in the Superman movies. I can't believe he agreed to play that part. He must have been desperate for the money. That's why Giuliani is playing Bozo the Lawyer; he needs the money. He has to pay his ex-wife $42,000/month in alimony. I not sure I would even be able to spend $42,000/month, unless I bought a car or a Leica or something. I don't know if Gene Hackman has an ex-wife, but that would be about the only explanation for him playing that particular version of Lex Luther. In the comics Lex Luther was a genius not an idiot. They got that all wrong in the movie. I would cast Donald Trump for that part in the movie. He has the idiot part down pat, no doubt about it. My guess is he is not really acting. It just comes naturally to him. Some people are gifted that way.
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