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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4660 on: December 21, 2020, 02:06:35 pm »

To ruffle your feathers and see how fast you respond (with bile, pi$$ and vinegar) to any of my posts. It was 8 minutes this time. Not bad, but can't you do better than that? The bile, pi$$ and vinegar was OK, but not spectacular.
Frans; once again often wrong, always OT, never in doubt. And never one to show us, he's ever taken a photograph (let alone, made one).  :D
And no, you're not ruffling my feathers, another assumption. It's always fun and easy to dismiss your posting agenda here, and your paper trail of such, grows and grows.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4661 on: December 21, 2020, 02:09:23 pm »

Well, I have already had my say about Dr. Jill vs. Jill.
The nerve of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr as well, right?  ;)
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« Reply #4662 on: December 21, 2020, 02:10:32 pm »

To ruffle your feathers and see how fast you respond (with bile, pi$$ and vinegar) to any of my posts. It was 8 minutes this time. Not bad, but can't you do better than that? The bile, pi$$ and vinegar was OK, but not spectacular.

He's not the only one. You have zero to add to any conversation. You just want to come in and stir the shit. Must be darn frustrating having so many flies around you when you try to stir the shit.

Guys...why doesn't everyone just hide this guy so he can take his ball home when no one wants to play with him.
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« Reply #4663 on: December 21, 2020, 02:17:00 pm »

Well, I just went over to IMDB to see what year War of the Worlds debuted only to find out that there are two versions, a black and white version from 1953, which is the one I was talking about, and another version in 2005 which stars Tom Cruise of all people, which I haven't seen, or if I have seen it, I don't remember anything about it, except maybe a flicker of an image of Tom Cruise sort of hiding behind an upside down car in the street outside his house, which seems kind of dumb because if the Martians have a weapon that can blow a car upside down, maybe hiding behind a car isn't your first go to choice for protection, not to mention that since the Martians flew here from Mars they can probably fly around and shoot you from above, but then I remembered this is the movies, not real life, so I guess it is okay. That image of Tom Cruise hiding behind an upside down car is probably just a few of my neurons misfiring anyway. So I would recommend the 1953 version. Most of the time when you watch a Tom Cruise movie, after a while you sort of forget which movie you are watching, because they are all pretty much the same. So if I recommended that you watch the Tom Cruise version of War of the Worlds about half way through you might lose the plot and think you were watching a Mission Impossible movie, or maybe you would start expecting to see Dustin Hoffman come on screen to give a soliloquy about why he likes to buy his underwear at K-Mart. Stick with the original. By the way, I guess everyone knows this but if you don't here goes, there was a 1938 radio broadcast of War of the Worlds narrated by Orsen Wells that was so convincing people thought the Earth really was being invaded by the Martians, so everyone was running out in the street looking around for upside down cars to hide behind.

So about those Igmar Bergman films, I have seen most of them so many times I've lost count, but that was a long time ago. I am glad it was a long time ago because now I can say I don't remember them instead of I don't understand them. Actually, I think at one time I did understand them, but that was when I understood a lot of stuff I have no clue about now. I sort of remember coming out of the movie theater and practicing my most knowing look. It is a fine line between a knowing look and a confused look which is why I had to practice it. There's no way I am going to get that knowing look back now. Too many years looking confused. One bit of trivia is that when movie theaters showed a Bergman film it was such a serious occasion they didn't sell popcorn and cokes. I hope you don't believe that because I just made it up, but I was trying to convey just how serious these films were. In the alternative, just imagine that you were attending a funeral instead of watching a film. You may have noticed that I keep referring to these films as films, and not movies. I do so out of respect. I was just thinking that if Elliott Gould was not in a Bergman film, he should have been but that's all I am going to say about that for now. Wait, I must have a mind like a steel trap. I just looked it up and Elliott Gould was in a Bergman film called The Touch, also starring Bergman regulars Max von Sydow and Bibi Andersson. I knew it. Good old Elliott Gould. And Bibi Andersson was quite the hot ticket, especially in the earlier films. On the other hand, Max Von Sydow always looked like death warmed over, which was perfect since that is usually the character he played, at least as best as I can remember.

I am glad you like Batman comic books.

I knew about the Orson Welles radio broadcast and I've heard most of it, maybe all of it, but that was a long time ago and incredibly I did not remember its title. I didn't know there was a recent movie, although 2005 isn't so recent anymore. I don't think I knew about the 1953 movie, but then that's the year I was born so I had other things on my mind. And yes Tom Cruise is a lot like John Wayne, not an actor but a movie star. All the movies they were in were about them, the rest was filler.

If you get the chance to see it, Max Van Sydow plays a small but significant role in an old HBO movie called Citizen X, which is about serial murderer in the Soviet Union and a detective's hunt for him. The detective was played by Nicholas Rea, I think. Great little forgotten film. Donald Sutherland is in it too. I have no idea how easy it is to find this movie these days, I have the original DVD and am not giving it up. I still have a DVD player that works too and am not giving that up either.

The mood in much of Citizen X is similar to the mood in the recent series Chernobyl. And if you happen to be interested in Chernobyl, the novel Wolves Eats Dogs by Martin Cruz Smith is a fascinating read, especially if you like dark moods.

I saw a headline this morning about Trump petitioning the Supreme Court about something, but I didn't read it. I'm sure it's nothing important.

The discussion about cyberattacks was interesting. No one seems to trust anything on the news anymore, and who can blame them. OTOH, you have to get some info from somewhere. I'm sure something happened though and there's probably a germ of danger there, but I'm also sure there is lots of exaggeration too. I can understand why the parties involved are not giving out much detail. Maybe it would make them look bad, or maybe releasing anything that contradicts Trump brings on wrath from on high, or maybe everyone is angling for a new job these days so every statement is carefully constructed.

If you're looking for an interesting diversion by listening to a well-spoken author, I'd recommend this old interview with John Le Carré who passed away recently, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJsbr_5q0Qo. I don't know if you're a fan of his fiction writing, but even if you aren't this interview is a pleasure to listen to. The interviewer asks intelligent questions, and Le Carré replies in well though out complete sentences. It's a good to be reminded that this can happen.

One thing that we should be thankful for is that no one in Trump's entourage or no one on Twitter ever brought up the subject of Einstein's Special Relativity with Trump in the past 4 years. Given his penchant for getting rid of competent government employees and eliminating anything he is not able to understand, had he been confronted with relativity and found out that there is a government department (maybe in the Air Force but I forget) that makes relativistic corrections to satellite data every day, he might have been tempted to fire them, driving the American GPS system into chaos (I was tempted to spell it KAOS). Luckily, we dodged that bullet. Obviously a missed opportunity on the part of Putin's hacker squads.

I had a fair collection of Batman comics as a kid but my mother gave them all away to a kid in the neighbourhood who had muscular dystrophy. I wasn't happy about it at the time but eventually came to accept it as a good thing to do. For some odd reason, that memory triggers a image of Trump making fun of that journalist who had a physical handicap. Anybody else doing that in public would have been fired from their job before they got home for supper. But Trump was cheered for it, if I recall the clip from that speech.


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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4664 on: December 21, 2020, 02:45:53 pm »

Meanwhile Brexiteers are dancing in the streets as their dreams have come true and (almost) all movement of people into and out of the UK has been suspended (due to Covid, but who cares?)  We will be looking forward to "prospering mightily" with our "Australian-style deal" (Johnson-speak for no deal at all).

More later - I have to go out to be in position for when the Army distirbutes my weekly turnip.

If you get your back against the wall, I'll Fed-Ex you another turnip. We still have some here. 40 days until Trump is gone.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4665 on: December 21, 2020, 03:21:50 pm »

I'm not right or wrong per se, I'm concerned based on what I've read from many experts on this hack.
You seem to think it's a nothing burger.
So let's setup that bet because I'm pretty sure Joe's not getting that bottle of wine I offered in the last bet. What you got to offer in two months, we'll hear no more about it? D

I'm not quite sure, but I think DD (Andrew) was offering some kind of bet about whether I'm right on the impact of the Russian hack. (Unlike some, I've no doubt that there was a hack and that it was Russian.) All right, here are my terms -- but it's not actually a bet, it's an offer DD can't refuse. If, by the Ides of March (March 15) we have a clear conclusion from a serious authority that great damage was done to the US by this hack, I lose. But: here's my definition of damage. It can't be purely computer-code damage; you can't say, they hacked us, and we had to repair the software, so that's damage. We shouldn't have had the hole in the first place, and if we'd discovered it first, and there was no hack, we'd have had to fix it anyway. It can't be vague -- the US lost prestige. We lost prestige just by electing Trump. It has to be clear and specific damage. If they hacked Boeing, and if the hack hadn't been discovered, the wings would have fallen off airplanes, that would be clear and specific. They hacked a power plant (dam, etc) and had the ability to wreck it, and we had to take some physical action (temporarily close the power plant or dam) that's damage. I'll be an honorable guy about it, and if some such thing turns up, I'll pay off. If DD and I disagree, we'll let Alan be the final judge. I mean, fair's fair. 8-)

The payoff, not a bet. I think DD and I live in the same area of New Mexico. If some such calamity turns up, I will arrange to deliver to him a bottle of red wine or champagne, his choice, of a value not less than $100. He does not have to reciprocate.
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« Reply #4666 on: December 21, 2020, 03:28:23 pm »

I knew about the Orson Welles radio broadcast and I've heard most of it, maybe all of it, but that was a long time ago and incredibly I did not remember its title. I didn't know there was a recent movie, although 2005 isn't so recent anymore.

There was a 2019, 3 part TV mini series from the BBC, with mixed reviews:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(British_TV_series)
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4667 on: December 21, 2020, 03:38:30 pm »

If you get the chance to see it, Max Van Sydow plays a small but significant role in an old HBO movie called Citizen X, which is about serial murderer in the Soviet Union and a detective's hunt for him. The detective was played by Nicholas Rea, I think. Great little forgotten film. Donald Sutherland is in it too. I have no idea how easy it is to find this movie these days, I have the original DVD and am not giving it up. I still have a DVD player that works too and am not giving that up either.

My favorite Nicholas Rea film is a film noir he directed called In a Lonely Place with Humphrey Bogart and Gloria Graham. I haven't seen any of his films done after the 1950s.  I'll see if I can track down Citizen X. You can't go wrong with a a movie about a serial murderer in the Soviet Union.

Update:

I found it on YouTube so I'll watch it tonight if I am not to tired after watching Season 2, Episode 6 of The Mandalorian.

Turns out the detective is played by Stephen Rae, an Irish actor, no relation to Nicolas Rae, but since it has Max Von Sydow and Donald Sutherland in it I am going to watch it.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4668 on: December 21, 2020, 03:39:08 pm »

I'm not quite sure, but I think DD (Andrew) was offering some kind of bet about whether I'm right on the impact of the Russian hack. (Unlike some, I've no doubt that there was a hack and that it was Russian.)
No, that isn't what you bet and I took you up on for the bet. As to the impact, a new bet perhaps you'd like to start. 
You were told that it could take years for the thousands of sites/companies/agencies hacked to come to a conclusion of the impact of the Russian hack. Did you miss that?
https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/the-solarwinds-hack-was-in-place-for-months-but-cybersecurity-experts-say-it-will-take-years-to-sort-out/articleshow/79797205.cms
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The SolarWinds hack was in place for months, but cybersecurity experts say it will take years to sort out
Thousands of companies and government agencies may have been compromised by the SolarWinds hack.
Experts say it could take some of those groups years to figure out the extent of the cyberattack and what data, if any, was actually stolen.

Experts. Years. Not months.
Talk about moving the goal posts on the bet, here's what you said you'd bet; now you have learned enough about this topic it's off?
You may be right, but I'm still betting that in two months, we'll hear no more about it.
I'll still take that bet. You can of course tell us you've learned more and indeed, we'll most likely be hearing more in two months. I'm all for folks reading these threads, learning and changing their opinions based on facts and data.
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« Reply #4669 on: December 21, 2020, 03:59:46 pm »

Okay, so here is the news item of the day. If you scroll down the article a little ways there is a video of Kimberly Guilfoyle, Don Jr.'s main squeeze, purportedly dancing, but it looks like she is just shaking her you know what around, which given the size of her you know what, is no small feat. So this is how part of the "dance" is described:

"There is a twirl moment and there’s a kicking moment that recalls the Elaine dance from the company party in Seinfeld."

So if you have seen that episode of Seinfeld, and who hasn't seen it a least a couple of dozen times, you know exactly what you are in for. Here goes:

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/12/kimberly-guilfoyle-stage-dance

This memorable sequence was filmed at the Turning Point Summit is West Palm Beach in front of 2000 adoring high school and college students. I was looking for the video of her doing a lap dance at the the Trump Washington Hotel, but couldn't find it. That one may have been private. Anyone want to lay odds on President Trump retweeting this sometime in the next 24 hours?

I didn't tell you about the possibility of drugs being involved in some of Don Jr.'s recent videos, so, to be fair, I won't tell you about the possibility of drugs being involved in this video either.
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« Reply #4670 on: December 21, 2020, 04:02:58 pm »

If you get your back against the wall, I'll Fed-Ex you another turnip. We still have some here. 40 days until Trump is gone.

Thanks - I may take you up on that!!
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« Reply #4671 on: December 21, 2020, 04:03:50 pm »

I am a big fan of Occam's razor, but I do understand that some people think the more convoluted and unlikely the explanation, the more likely it is to be true, particularly if they are the only one that believes it.

Occam’s razor is a sound principle that is particularly helpful when trying to assess the motive behind people’s behaviours.

Instead of assuming that your interlocutor is stupid or has hidden motives it can help understand that his point of view is simply rational.

However it would be misguided to assume that the simplest hypothesis promoted by Occam’s razor is always the correct one.

But even if we go by Occam’s razzor, what is the most simple hypothesis? That it was done from Russia accros incredibly advanced firewalls? Or that it was done from within the US?

Aren’t there many people in the US or outside the US who have a strong incentive to have us believe the Russians did it?

Believing the Russians did it is only simple if your equal simple to naive.

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« Reply #4672 on: December 21, 2020, 04:25:12 pm »

From the liberal ”rag” The Wall Street Journal:
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Attorney General William Barr said he believed Russia was behind the SolarWinds hack that compromised at least a half dozen federal agencies, a statement that puts him in accord with the assessments of top U.S. officials but at odds with President Trump.

“From the information I have…it certainly appears to be the Russians,” Mr. Barr said at a press conference to announce charges related to the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. He declined to comment further about the breach.

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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo became the first member of the Trump administration to accuse Russia of cyberattacks against American federal agencies on Friday, days after both Democratic and Republican lawmakers attributed the attacks to the Kremlin.

Multiple cyber experts say Russia.
Hum... Suppose maybe the hacks were the Russians?
Like widespread voter fraud last month, if anyone has evidence of that or China being behind the hack, please provide the evidence.
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« Reply #4673 on: December 21, 2020, 04:45:57 pm »

Some comments regarding what's been posted here regarding the recent SolarWinds cyberattack. I am most definitely not an expert in these matters; but have read some of what people who are experts have written.

- Who did it and the methods employed for attribution of the attack to Russia: No—it wasn't based on anything as simple as tracing an IP address. Those were faked and appeared as legitimate trusted IP addresses that each of the individually hacked networks used routinely. The attribution is based on things previously observed from known sources of attack, such as: techniques used; established methods and tactics of intrusion, code deployment, and detection evasion; the operational capabilities required and displayed in those things previously mentioned; and examination of the embedded malicious code for fingerprints or traces of known code attributes which point to a specific source. Expert cybersecurity investigators, in both the private and government sectors, say this hack points to a very specific Russian government actor. It was first detected by FireEye, a prominent global cybersecurity company, who was itself attacked and compromised.

- Who was targeted: First, companies that are a major part of the infrastructure backbone of network communication and security. Among the initial targets were major companies in the supply of widely used products for building secure networks: SolarWinds (systems management and monitoring for networks and security); FireEye (cybersecurity and network protection); and Microsoft (network systems and security applications). Those targets and more were not just penetrated; they had products and services infected with malicious code and/or cybersecurity defense, detection tools, and methods compromised. This went on for several months before being detected. SolarWinds was the entry point for infecting the other initial targets because their products and services are so widely used that it enabled intrusion across the supply chain of other critical network component suppliers.

- Why they were the first targets: The first companies targeted are part of a chain of trusted network links that form a security foundation relied on for day-to-day network operations across a landscape of businesses, institutions, and government agencies. They are used both for local network control and security and trusted secure network communication between those entities. FireEye, for example, provides cybersecurity software and services for cloud services, financial services, government, healthcare, and industrial control infrastructure.

- Second stage targets: Critical businesses and institutions that utilize and rely on the products and services from the first stage targets for their network integrity and communications.

- Classified government information: There is no indication or likelihood that any highly classified government documents were the target of the attack. Highly classified government information isn't stored in ways that are vulnerable to internet intrusion for obvious reasons. Lower levels of confidential information would have lower levels of security. For the higher classification levels a human source inside an agency would be needed for any espionage attempts.

- The purpose and what information was obtained: It's still too early to tell. Given what is known it would appear to be a project that successfully obtained intrusion, knowledge, and insight into a framework of common cybersecurity and network infrastructure across very specific sectors and targets. Beyond that, it will take months of investigation to determine what was accessed and gather together detailed information on the specifics of the attack. Some of this may not be revealed publicly for a very long time due to security concerns of the companies and agencies involved or to avoid adverse publicity.

- Why it's of concern: First, the breadth and depth of the attack. Second, that it remained undetected for so long. Third, the narrowly focused targets of the attack. This was not your ordinary front door cyberattack on a single network to obtain some trade secrets or financial gain. It was specifically targeted at critical network security components and the companies that provide them to other companies and institutions, who rely on them as part of their network infrastructure for day-to-day operations.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/12/russias-hacking-frenzy-is-a-reckoning/

The longer range goal of the attack, though still not clear, is still concerning. Russia has been stepping up their abilities to undermine essential infrastructures as illustrated in this article.

https://www.wired.com/story/russian-hackers-attack-ukraine/

How an Entire Nation Became Russia's Test Lab for Cyberwar. Blackouts in Ukraine were just a trial run. Russian hackers are learning to sabotage infrastructure and the US could be next.
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« Reply #4674 on: December 21, 2020, 04:47:15 pm »

Interesting read and why Dobbs changed his tune on Fox:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/business/media/smartmatic-lawsuit-fox-news-newsmax-oan.html
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These are legal threats any company, even a giant like Fox Corporation, would take seriously. And they could be fatal to the dream of a new “Trump TV,” a giant new media company in the president’s image, and perhaps contributing to his bottom line. Newsmax and OAN would each like to become that, and are both burning money to steal ratings from Fox, executives from both companies have acknowledged. They will need to raise significantly more money, or to sell quickly to investors, to build a Fox-style multibillion-dollar empire. But outstanding litigation with the potential of an enormous verdict will be enough to scare away most buyers.

And so Newsmax and OAN appear likely to face the same fate as so many of President Trump’s sycophants, who have watched him lie with impunity and imitated him — only to find that he’s the only one who can really get away with it. Mr. Trump benefits from presidential immunity, but also he has an experienced fabulist’s sense of where the legal red lines are, something his allies often lack.
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« Reply #4675 on: December 21, 2020, 05:10:44 pm »

More cyber experts on the hack, this today too:
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Christopher Krebs, the former top cybersecurity official in the U.S., says Russia is to blame for a massive breach that's affected the State Department, the Pentagon, the Treasury Department, the Department of Homeland Security and other departments and agencies.
"I understand it is, in fact, the Russians," Krebs told Steve Inskeep on Morning Edition.
"It's the Russian SVR, which is their foreign intelligence service. They are really the best of the best out there. They're a top flight cyber intelligence team, and they used some very sophisticated techniques to really find the seams in our cyberdefenses here in the United States and seem to be quite successful in penetrating some very sensitive places."

Hum... Maybe Russia, maybe. 🤔
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« Reply #4676 on: December 21, 2020, 05:21:05 pm »

However it would be misguided to assume that the simplest hypothesis promoted by Occam’s razor is always the correct one.

Under Occam's razor, the simplest explanation need not be simple. Indeed, it can be complex. Some people miss that. Echoing that, Einstein said:

“Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler.”

But I do understand that some people prefer the Baroque, and not just any old Baroque but the Rococo, so I guess I'll just have to learn to live with it.
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« Reply #4677 on: December 21, 2020, 05:29:53 pm »

We're taking our eye off the ball.  It's the Chinese who are the problem, not the Russians.

Would you like to re-evaluate this statement? Is there a limit of one nation at a time that is allowed to be an aggressive adversary of the United States?

Shouldn't the United States keep its eyes on all of its adversaries? Why is Russia excluded from your mind as a major threat? If "It's the Chinese who are the problem" are Iran and North Korea also no longer a part of "the problem" for U.S. security along with Russia? Should we not keep our eye on them as well?
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« Reply #4678 on: December 21, 2020, 06:10:55 pm »

Nothing really new here. Just another crazy Republican legislator. Meet Virginia State Senator Amanda Chase...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/virginia-state-senator-2021-gubernatorial-candidate-amanda-chase-is-next-level-maga

Virginia state Senator Amanda Chase and her staff wanted to be clear: She was experiencing a sinus infection, not COVID-19 symptoms. Just a little head cold. In fact, Chase told The Daily Beast on Friday shortly before stating that she would refuse a COVID-19 vaccine, she was already feeling much better.

Such a diagnosis would be very good news for Chase, but also her colleagues in the Virginia General Assembly. Chase, a far-right Republican and 2021 gubernatorial candidate, refuses to wear a mask during government session, forcing her at times to sit alone in a plexiglass quarantine box that she calls “the square of freedom.” Framed by sheets of wobbly plastic in these moments, Chase is a portrait of her political reality: isolated from her fellow Republican lawmakers and walled off by conspiratorial belief.

But Chase, who recently left the state Senate’s Republican caucus and was ousted from her local chapter of the GOP, is not alone. All year, she has stood shoulder to shoulder with members of far-right militant groups and conspiracy movements, some of whom would be arrested by year’s end. Now, in the twilight of 2020 and the Trump presidency, she’s playing the hits for the extremist crowd, lying about the vaccine, knowingly taking donations and “security” help from neo-Confederate and QAnon-linked extremists, and calling on President Donald Trump to overturn his election loss by declaring martial law.

Her gubernatorial campaign is an eerie preview of even stranger, more conspiratorial post-Trump Trumpism, even as her own state party grows increasingly uneasy with her antics.


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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4679 on: December 21, 2020, 07:06:10 pm »

Would you like to re-evaluate this statement? Is there a limit of one nation at a time that is allowed to be an aggressive adversary of the United States?
Depending on your attention span, how much you want to ignore say Russia (like Trump and his buds), yeah.  ;D
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