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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4640 on: December 20, 2020, 10:59:41 pm »

Very likely they were able to trace the attacker's home location to some IP addresses in Russia.

Isn't that the easiest thing to fake?

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« Reply #4641 on: December 20, 2020, 11:00:39 pm »

How exactly do you distinguish cyber fingerprints from the Russians from cyber fingerprints that were made to look like they are Russian?
Ask those, none here, who are experts in cyber forensic science who have reported that they and their fellow experts believe it's a Russian group of hackers.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4642 on: December 20, 2020, 11:11:25 pm »

Isn't that the easiest thing to fake?
It is if you have no beliefs in multiple experts confirming their reports but do believe in baseless conspiracy theories.
Have you ever gone to say a doctor for a diagnosis and then to another specialist, and when such experts agree, you not only ignore what you've been told but believe they are deliberately misleading you?
Many cyber experts in multiple agencies have said Russia. One guy who has 20K lies in 4 years says maybe China. You think maybe Russia or China?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4643 on: December 20, 2020, 11:20:01 pm »

Isn't that the easiest thing to fake?

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Yes, if you are sending a single email message.
If you are accessing repeatably multiple computers from multiple locations over a long stretch of time, it is much harder to fake IP addresses and make them look authentic.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4644 on: December 20, 2020, 11:24:39 pm »

It is if you have no beliefs in multiple experts confirming their reports but do believe in baseless conspiracy theories.
Have you ever gone to say a doctor for a diagnosis and then to another specialist, and when such experts agree, you not only ignore what you've been told but believe they are deliberately misleading you?
Many cyber experts in multiple agencies have said Russia. One guy who has 20K lies in 4 years says maybe China. You think maybe Russia or China?

My doubts have nothing to do with Trump's comments.

It's just that nothing is ever as simple as we like to think at that degree of impacts.

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4645 on: December 21, 2020, 05:45:19 am »

Meanwhile Brexiteers are dancing in the streets as their dreams have come true and (almost) all movement of people into and out of the UK has been suspended (due to Covid, but who cares?)  We will be looking forward to "prospering mightily" with our "Australian-style deal" (Johnson-speak for no deal at all).

More later - I have to go out to be in position for when the Army distirbutes my weekly turnip.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4646 on: December 21, 2020, 09:17:44 am »

I have no evidence. I concede that you may very well be correct. All I see now is a lot of people running around shouting about how terrible it is, and it's exactly those people who would benefit from how terrible it is. Let's pour a few more billions into those systems to make sure it doesn't happen again. Perhaps that'd overcooked cynicism, but a few words keep creeping out...like there have been no classified systems penetrated. Of course, that could be deliberate misinformation to keep people from panicking.

Nobody really wants to talk about what could be called cynical views of people who are doing hard jobs, but some of us (journos) can't help it.

--Dr. Fauci seems like a great guy who provides us with serious information and some comfort. Dr. Fauci is in his glory and when it all passes, and nobody wants to have him on TV any more, he may secretly wish that it had all lasted a little longer. The same is true with all the epidemiologists we see on CNN, CNBC and FOX night after night. In six months, they'll be back in their burrows. Will they be hoping from another pandemic? Hmm.

--The talking heads on CNN and CNBC apparently despised Trump, and quite rightfully so, as the biggest asshole to come over the American horizon at least since the Civil War.  When he is finally gone and fading from public attention, they may well wish to be back in the good old days when everybody was hanging on the words of Anderson Cooper and his fellows, bringing us the latest disaster. Won't happen when they're back to reporting chicken thefts. Same is true with FOX, but from the opposite direction -- they were considered the Great Influencers. They will definitely miss Trump, no matter how much damage they knew he was doing.

Cynical views, but possibly not incorrect.

What I would like to see from the government, instead of bunch of people running around throwing paper in the air, is simple examples. "Yes. They penetrated the nuclear safety agency. They know now how to run our nuclear plants out of control and kill the West Coast. We're shutting those plants down until the software can be repaired." "Yes, they penetrated the Los Alamos National Laboratory and messed with our recipes for making nuclear cores. We're taking the lab offline until we're sure that hasn't happened." "Yes, they penetrated critical flight control systems in the US and could crash planes if they wished. We're grounding passenger planes until we know we can keep them out."

But that's not what we're hearing. What we're hearing is that they penetrated a lot of systems. We're not hearing that they did any damage. Or even that they could do any damage. All I'd like is some examples, not that they downloaded a bunch of stuff that just maybe, nobody should care about.

I know a guy who graduated from Cal Tech and knows a lot about computers, who told me once that it is difficult for the US to counter small-nation penetrations of our many and various computer systems simply because we're such a large target, and the costs of attacking us are so small. So North Korea causes something bad to happen to a power plant. Can we even prove it? Maybe it was actually Nigeria, pissed because we banned their princes from the Internet. So our best tactic is to threaten retaliation, to attempt to secure our systems as best we can, to work for international cooperation in isolating rogue nations, etc. But the same is true of Russia. They are almost as vulnerable as we are. Crash a plane and see another Chernobyl? Take out a power plant, see all your railroads delivering Moscow's food to the borderlands? So, Russia did it. We're doing it to Russia. Same-ol' same-ol' Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD.)

You may be right, but I'm still betting that in two months, we'll hear no more about it.

Hell John, that sounds like the opening paragraph of a thriller...have you ever considered writing? I think you'd be damn good at it.....! :)
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4647 on: December 21, 2020, 09:22:20 am »

My doubts have nothing to do with Trump's comments.

It's just that nothing is ever as simple as we like to think at that degree of impacts.

Cheers,
Bernard
Your doubts are based on what data?
It's simple to believe what a large group of experts tell us from data only they have examined. Unless one has experienced a reason not to; in the case of cyber hacking from Russia, what's yours?
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« Reply #4648 on: December 21, 2020, 11:25:09 am »

I tried sitting through a couple of Bergman once movies but failed. Maybe I'm too shallow. I never saw War of the Worlds, not a fan of sci-fi or super hero stuff. I liked Batman in comic books though.

Well, I just went over to IMDB to see what year War of the Worlds debuted only to find out that there are two versions, a black and white version from 1953, which is the one I was talking about, and another version in 2005 which stars Tom Cruise of all people, which I haven't seen, or if I have seen it, I don't remember anything about it, except maybe a flicker of an image of Tom Cruise sort of hiding behind an upside down car in the street outside his house, which seems kind of dumb because if the Martians have a weapon that can blow a car upside down, maybe hiding behind a car isn't your first go to choice for protection, not to mention that since the Martians flew here from Mars they can probably fly around and shoot you from above, but then I remembered this is the movies, not real life, so I guess it is okay. That image of Tom Cruise hiding behind an upside down car is probably just a few of my neurons misfiring anyway. So I would recommend the 1953 version. Most of the time when you watch a Tom Cruise movie, after a while you sort of forget which movie you are watching, because they are all pretty much the same. So if I recommended that you watch the Tom Cruise version of War of the Worlds about half way through you might lose the plot and think you were watching a Mission Impossible movie, or maybe you would start expecting to see Dustin Hoffman come on screen to give a soliloquy about why he likes to buy his underwear at K-Mart. Stick with the original. By the way, I guess everyone knows this but if you don't here goes, there was a 1938 radio broadcast of War of the Worlds narrated by Orsen Wells that was so convincing people thought the Earth really was being invaded by the Martians, so everyone was running out in the street looking around for upside down cars to hide behind.

So about those Igmar Bergman films, I have seen most of them so many times I've lost count, but that was a long time ago. I am glad it was a long time ago because now I can say I don't remember them instead of I don't understand them. Actually, I think at one time I did understand them, but that was when I understood a lot of stuff I have no clue about now. I sort of remember coming out of the movie theater and practicing my most knowing look. It is a fine line between a knowing look and a confused look which is why I had to practice it. There's no way I am going to get that knowing look back now. Too many years looking confused. One bit of trivia is that when movie theaters showed a Bergman film it was such a serious occasion they didn't sell popcorn and cokes. I hope you don't believe that because I just made it up, but I was trying to convey just how serious these films were. In the alternative, just imagine that you were attending a funeral instead of watching a film. You may have noticed that I keep referring to these films as films, and not movies. I do so out of respect. I was just thinking that if Elliott Gould was not in a Bergman film, he should have been but that's all I am going to say about that for now. Wait, I must have a mind like a steel trap. I just looked it up and Elliott Gould was in a Bergman film called The Touch, also starring Bergman regulars Max von Sydow and Bibi Andersson. I knew it. Good old Elliott Gould. And Bibi Andersson was quite the hot ticket, especially in the earlier films. On the other hand, Max Von Sydow always looked like death warmed over, which was perfect because that is usually the character he played, at least as best as I can remember.

I am glad you like Batman comic books.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4649 on: December 21, 2020, 12:11:50 pm »

The original War of the Worlds while obviously dated is pretty good with at the time, state of the art special effects. Yes, you can see the strings holding up the martian ships but damn, they are cool looking and their death rays are impressive. No, they look nothing like what was described in the book (I read it many years ago, it's worth a read if you're into SciFi).
The remake by Spielberg is decent, kind of disturbing but ultimately mostly forgettable and not his best work. If I had to recommend one, it would be the original from George Pal who did some really excellent films at the time (When Worlds Collide and Conquest of Space). I haven't seen either in decades so they probably seem even more dated but for the time they were made, cutting edge.   
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« Reply #4650 on: December 21, 2020, 12:24:15 pm »

So now we have pivoted from War of the Words to War of the Worlds, or are we still in echo-chambers?
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« Reply #4651 on: December 21, 2020, 12:32:55 pm »

So now we have pivoted from War of the Words to War of the Worlds, or are we still in echo-chambers?
So you have issues with some of us talking about books of fiction that are not of your own writing and self publish?  "We" are not in your echo chamber and once again, you've only contributed to the thread by bitching and moaning about the thread; why do you keep showing up every few days to do so?
Wouldn't your ”valuable” time be more constructively spent on a new hobby; perhaps consider taking up photography?  :D
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« Reply #4652 on: December 21, 2020, 12:48:12 pm »

The remake by Spielberg is decent, kind of disturbing but ultimately mostly forgettable and not has best work. If I had to recommend one, it would be the original from George Pal who did some really excellent films at the time (When Worlds Collide and Conquest of Space).

I remember reading When Worlds Collide and the sequel After Worlds Collide, but I can't remember exactly when, most likely in junior high school, and thinking they were great books. Anyway, I wasn't too keen on the author's other books, and finally gave up on him.
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« Reply #4653 on: December 21, 2020, 12:52:58 pm »

So now we have pivoted from War of the Words to War of the Worlds, or are we still in echo-chambers?

I was just trying to drive you away. By all means, the floor is open, so now is your opportunity to deliver the ultimate disquisition on sensor heat. I'm pretty sure I'll have something to say about it. You would be surprised what jogs my memory about something other than the topic at hand, particularly when I don't have any idea what the poster is talking about, frequently the result of the poster not having any idea what he is talking about. Maybe Andrew will weigh in too.
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« Reply #4654 on: December 21, 2020, 12:58:29 pm »

It's just that nothing is ever as simple as we like to think at that degree of impacts.

I am a big fan of Occam's razor, but I do understand that some people think the more convoluted and unlikely the explanation, the more likely it is to be true, particularly if they are the only one who believes it.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #4655 on: December 21, 2020, 01:03:22 pm »

Here you go Frans, news that is certainly not to be accepted by some and none of it the typical fiction they seek then regurgitate:

Bill Barr: No special counsel needed on election fraud or Hunter Biden
The attorney general answered questions from reporters just days before he is set to leave office.
Attorney General Bill Barr undercut President Donald Trump's election conspiracy theories on Monday, when he said he would not appoint a special counsel to investigate election fraud or Hunter Biden because there is no need.
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« Reply #4656 on: December 21, 2020, 01:23:12 pm »

why do you keep showing up every few days to do so?
To ruffle your feathers and see how fast you respond (with bile, pi$$ and vinegar) to any of my posts. It was 8 minutes this time. Not bad, but can't you do better than that? The bile, pi$$ and vinegar was OK, but not spectacular.
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« Reply #4657 on: December 21, 2020, 01:29:43 pm »

Bill Barr: No special counsel needed on election fraud or Hunter Biden
The attorney general answered questions from reporters just days before he is set to leave office.
Attorney General Bill Barr undercut President Donald Trump's election conspiracy theories on Monday, when he said he would not appoint a special counsel to investigate election fraud or Hunter Biden because there is no need.


Not unexpected, but I read that the Assistant Attorney General that is set to take Barr's place is also unlikely to appoint special counsels to investigate Hunter Biden and massive voter fraud, so Trump is considering appointing an Acting Attorney General for Barr so he doesn't have to get approval from the Senate, and that guy is going to appoint the special counsels. I also read that Trump was inquiring whether he could appoint the special counsels directly, and of course he has had Michael Flynn over to the White House to discuss declaring martial law and re-running the elections so he wins this time, and has had the Krakettes over a couple of times to discuss serving as special counsels and impounding all the voting machines so he can change the votes on them so he wins and other topics germane thereto. But as long as I can say Merry Christmas I am okay with it.
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« Reply #4658 on: December 21, 2020, 01:35:38 pm »

Not unexpected, but I read that the Assistant Attorney General that is set to take Barr's place is also unlikely to appoint special counsels to investigate Hunter Biden and massive voter fraud, so Trump was considering appointing an Acting Attorney General for Barr so he didn't have to get approval from the Senate, and that guy was going to appoint the special counsels. I also read that Trump was inquiring whether he could appoint the special counsels directly, and of course he has had Michael Flynn over to the White House to discuss declaring martial law and re-running the elections so he wins this time, and has had the Krakettes over a couple of times to discuss serving as special counsels and impounding all the voting machines so he can change the votes on them so he wins and other topics germane thereto. But as long as I can say Merry Christmas I am okay with it.

Yep.

News:  President discusses possibility of declaring martial law because he lost.
Conservative News: I sure hope "Dr." Jill Biden doesn't have to Heimlich us, cuz America would be good as dead.
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« Reply #4659 on: December 21, 2020, 01:47:50 pm »

Conservative News: I sure hope "Dr." Jill Biden doesn't have to Heimlich us, cuz America would be good as dead.

Well, I have already had my say about Dr. Jill vs. Jill. I did, however, just want to add that in the community college courses I have taken, not only don't we call the teachers Dr., we don't call them Professor either. Usually we call them Instructor, or Bob, at least when their name is Bob. Then again, I may not be the best person to consult on this, because none of the people teaching the photography courses I have taken have Ed.D.s, at least that I am aware of. One of my teachers did have her MFA though, so its not like they all flunked out of kindergarten.

The guy who taught my lighting classes made us learn the f-stop scale in thirds of a stop up to f/256, which is kind of hilarious because the dial on the back of the flash went from 1 to 10. I had to use my slide rule to do the transposition. I didn't always need my slide rule though. On some of the flashes, they had a horizontal slider. Those flashes were so old all the writing had worn off, so you would just pop it and take a meter reading, move the slider, pop it, and take a meter reading, etc. until you got the right amount of light for whatever f-stop you had decided to use. Now you know how the pros do it, because if you are a pro, you have been at it long enough to have rubbed all the writing off your flashes. Sort of a badge of honor, I guess. So it wasn't serious all of the time. One time we were getting kind of bored and so we placed bets on how many times we would have to pop the flash before Bob came over and asked us what the hell we were doing. Sometimes you have to shake things up.
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