Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[Jeremy Roussak]

Tnis is the consequence of electing a lying narcissistic charlatan who makes Benny Hill look like an intelectual heavyweight.

Casting such playground abuse might be justifiable were you also to have a degree in Classics from Oxford University, and be able to spell.

And if you'd ever met Benny Hill, you'd have realised he was a very clever chap.

Jeremy

[faberryman]

I forgot to mention there is the possibility the US government will shut down at midnight. It is on everyone’s Christmas list.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/11/government-shutdown-senate-looks-to-pass-funding-bill.html

[jeremyrh]

Casting such playground abuse might be justifiable were you also to have a degree in Classics from Oxford University, and be able to spell.

And if you'd ever met Benny Hill, you'd have realised he was a very clever chap.

Jeremy

Look Ma, a spelling flame! Your predictable intervention might carry more weight if I had not had the opportunity to observe Oxford Classics students at close quarters during my own studies there.

[John Camp]

Look Ma, a spelling flame! Your predictable intervention might carry more weight if I had not had the opportunity to observe Oxford Classics students at close quarters during my own studies there.

But he did get a second-class degree, you have to give him that.

And I'd agree with Jeremy that Benny Hill is a clever chap, much more clever than the guy who took Britain down the toilet of Brexit, and, if Scotland decides to leave, the man who caused the break-up of Great Britain.

[faberryman]

I forgot to mention there is the possibility the US government will shut down at midnight. It is on everyone’s Christmas list.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/11/government-shutdown-senate-looks-to-pass-funding-bill.html

Looks like the senators wanted to go home this weekend and passed a one week funding bill. I guess Trump will sign it, but who knows. There’s no telling.

https://www.axios.com/senate-continuing-resolution-b4bc11e9-01f0-41c8-b7f7-8ceef43a1ee6.html

[faberryman]

And if you'd ever met Benny Hill, you'd have realised he was a very clever chap.

Perhaps Benny Hill was clever. His TV show, however, was moronic. I guess I wasn’t clever enough to have a moronic TV show, so perhaps I should just keep my thoughts to myself. Anyone out there clever enough to have a moronic TV show care to comment? Trump would qualify, but I don’t think he follows the LuLa Coffee Corner.

[Jeremy Roussak]

Look Ma, a spelling flame! Your predictable intervention might carry more weight if I had not had the opportunity to observe Oxford Classics students at close quarters during my own studies there.

If you had in fact been to Oxford University, you'd know how to spell.

Jeremy

[jeremyrh]

If you had in fact been to Oxford University, you'd know how to spell.

Jeremy

Don’t be so silly.

[Frans Waterlander]

If you had in fact been to Oxford University, you'd know how to spell.

Jeremy

Looks like the administrator/moderator fits right in with this bunch!

[TechTalk]

If you had in fact been to Oxford University, you'd know how to spell.

Jeremy

Why is that? Is there a process there that converts human beings into robots incapable of normal human error or oversight?

[digitaldog]

Looks like the administrator/moderator fits right in with this bunch!

As someone with so much experience fighting the administrator/moderator, you should know but you don't. You still want the entire thread closed down? That didn't get much traction as expected.
Give the the administrator/moderator a bit more credit. He's ignoring your requests so that's good. 

[Alan Klein]

You brought up the Trump kids to begin with. The reason they are relevant is not whataboutism, they have official roles in the highest office of the federal government.
If they didn't have important roles in government with real consequences for all of us they would be as irrelevant as any other president's kids.

Trump critic Richard Painter calls for Hunter Biden special counsel
https://nypost.com/2020/12/11/richard-painter-calling-for-a-hunter-biden-special-counsel/

[digitaldog]

Trump critic Richard Painter calls for Hunter Biden special counsel
https://nypost.com/2020/12/11/richard-painter-calling-for-a-hunter-biden-special-counsel/

Clearly Alan didn't read what Painter is calling for; utterly appropriate and would not need to be said except for the last 4 years under Trump. This is the same Alan that incorrectly believes Hunter has been charged with something, he hasn't.
Meanwhile the loser loses again as we wait for the Supreme court to give him another loss:

A Wisconsin judge has rejected another of President Trump's attempts to overturn his loss to President-elect Joe Biden, spurning the Trump campaign's claims that election officials in two counties failed to follow state law regarding absentee ballots during Wisconsin's recount in the close race.
"The certification of the results of the 2020 Wisconsin presidential election, after the Dane County and Milwaukee County recounts, is affirmed," Reserve Judge Stephen Simanek said during a hearing Friday morning.

[TechTalk]

They got involved in the 2000 presidential election and overruled Florida's supreme court and effectively decided the election.

Bush v. Gore was a particular set of circumstances into which the U.S. Supreme Court trapped itself with a 5-4 vote to issue a stay and hear the case. Realizing the trap into which they had voluntarily stepped, the decision contained language that implied there was no future precedent being established—"Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances". After she retired, Justice O'Connor expressed doubts and regret over the Court's decision to hear the case. Bush v. Gore is not a mistake that anyone concerned with the reputation and public confidence in the Supreme Court is looking to repeat.

What I'm saying is they're going to stay out of it this time even if there are constitutional grounds for them to be involved.

There are no "constitutional grounds for them to be involved". The Texas case is frivolous and poorly reasoned gibberish.

Chief Justice Roberts is a very cautious man who wants to keep the court out of politics.

Matters which are assigned by the Constitution to the political branches to decide are not appropriate for federal court intervention beyond perfunctory initial hearings to allow oral arguments to be heard. If not rejected before an initial hearing, they are routinely dismissed as nonjusticiable due to lack of standing or as political questions outside of the jurisdiction of the court, or both. Exceptions are quite rare.

He's also afraid of "packing".  So he'll keep the court out of it.

Opposed... likely. Afraid... doubtful. The Court will not intervene for the previously stated reasons.

[Alan Klein]

Bush v. Gore was a particular set of circumstances into which the U.S. Supreme Court trapped itself with a 5-4 vote to issue a stay and hear the case. Realizing the trap into which they had voluntarily stepped, the decision contained language that implied there was no future precent being established—"Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances". After she retired, Justice O'Connor expressed doubts and regret over the Court's decision to hear the case. Bush v. Gore is not a mistake that anyone concerned with the reputation and public confidence in the Supreme Court is looking to repeat.

There are no "constitutional grounds for them to be involved". The Texas case is frivolous and poorly reasoned gibberish.

Matters which are assigned by the Constitution to the political branches to decide are not appropriate for federal court intervention beyond perfunctory initial hearings to allow oral arguments to be heard. If not rejected before an initial hearing, they are routinely dismissed as nonjusticiable due to lack of standing or as political questions outside of the jurisdiction of the court, or both. Exceptions are quite rare.

Opposed... likely. Afraid... doubtful. The Court will not intervene for the previously stated reasons.

He's trying to maintain the court's reputation and not look too political.  Otherwise, we could reach a point where their decisions will be ignored.  After all, they have no power to enforce their rulings. 

[TechTalk]

He's trying to maintain the court's reputation and not look too political.  Otherwise, we could reach a point where their decisions will be ignored.  After all, they have no power to enforce their rulings.

Your imagined motivations seem to neglect that there is no constitutional or legal basis for which the Court would have any reason to intervene.

[TechTalk]

A Wisconsin judge has rejected another of President Trump's attempts to overturn his loss to President-elect Joe Biden, spurning the Trump campaign's claims that election officials in two counties failed to follow state law regarding absentee ballots during Wisconsin's recount in the close race.
"The certification of the results of the 2020 Wisconsin presidential election, after the Dane County and Milwaukee County recounts, is affirmed," Reserve Judge Stephen Simanek said during a hearing Friday morning.

https://www.wpr.org/wisconsin-judge-delivers-another-legal-blow-trump-ruling-against-election-challenge

Excerpts:

Trump's lawsuit did not challenge specific votes or allege fraud, which Simanek noted in his ruling.

"There is no credible evidence of any misconduct or a wide scale fraud at issue here," Simanek said.

Instead, Trump's lawyers argued that clerks in Dane and Milwaukee Counties followed bad guidance from the Wisconsin Elections Commission, which ran contrary to state law.

"To infer that people utilized and voted under that section to evade the voter ID requirements is no basis for not counting those votes," Simanek said. "It's far more likely because of the ongoing pandemic that people were very concerned, especially those with compromised systems, to go out in public, to not want to stand in line for potentially hours at a polling place in order to cast a ballot."

"I certainly could not strike those ballots based on an inference," Simanek continued, "which is not really supported … in fact."

Trump's allies have also lost one case in Wisconsin's federal court system as Judge Pamela Pepper ruled that she lacked the legal standing under the U.S. Constitution to overturn a state's election results.

[TechTalk]

Don’t be so silly.

Indeed. It's an internet forum, not a university dissertation or a scholarly peer review publication.

[faberryman]

Your imagined motivations seem to neglect that there is no constitutional or legal basis for which the Court would have any reason to intervene.

Everyone has filed their briefs, and Texas has filed its reply brief, so the paperwork is done. The justices held their Friday conference call, so we should hear something soon. I hope it is a one- liner like earlier in the week.

The Electoral College meets on Monday. Only 41 days to go.

[John Camp]

Everyone has filed their briefs, and Texas has filed its reply brief, so the paperwork is done. The justices held their Friday conference call, so we should hear something soon. I hope it is a one- liner like earlier in the week.

The Electoral College meets on Monday. Only 41 days to go.

The Supremes just told Texas to blow it out their ass (or, arse, if you went to Oxford.)