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[Robert Roaldi]

There have been a number of comments during these threads that compare America unfavorably to Canada. Some of that doesn't seem to me to be especially controversial (given a choice, I think many Americans, probably a majority, including myself, would prefer a "Medicare for all" system, like Canada's) but none of us should make the mistake of thinking that Canada is basically the US with better medical care. The two countries are quite different, in my experience, and have very different political cultures. Canada actually remains quite close to the British system, and America, of course, threw the Brits out. I personally prefer the US flavor, even with all the problems we have.

If you want to experience Canada without the British influence, just vacation in Quebec. All of the beer, none of the stiff upper lip.

[elliot_n]

As I was saying...

https://notthebee.com/article/a-few-days-ago-johns-hopkins-published-a-study-saying-corona-is-nbd-they-then-deleted-it-read-it-here-in-its-entirety

(Bold mine)

Wake up!

The information you're looking for is here:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

Great site bud:
Not the Bee is a humor-based news, opinion, and entertainment site from the creators of The Babylon Bee and Disrn. Like the name suggests, it'll feature some absurd and hilarious (but real) news that seems like it should definitely be satire.
Mine: Scientific America. No satire, science.
...

I fixed the bold for you.

As your own quote says, it is real news, not satire. Science. John Hopkins University science. Here are the credentials of the author:

Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master's degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

It is worth looking into dissenting voices, different point of view, even if you disagree with it - rather then censoring it. Coincidentally, censorship, Soviet style, seems to be the method of choice for Democrats these days.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... The information you're looking for is here:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

She looked at the same set of data and found a different way of interpreting it. Worth at least trying to understand her point of view, rather than toe the party line.

[faberryman]

It is worth looking into dissenting voices, different point of view, even if you disagree with it - rather then censoring it.

How did he censor it? I was able to follow the link and read the article.

Coincidentally, censorship, Soviet style, seems to be the method of choice for Democrats these days.

Censorship, Soviet style, is the method of choice for what?

[digitaldog]

I fixed the bold for you.

Your type style doesn't fix the rubbish. I fully expect you to believe the nonsense you post and ignore the facts from Scientific America and the CDC, and you are probably shocked about Ted Cruz. 
Do you also believe that Trump actually won the election and there's massive voter fraud too?

It is worth looking into dissenting voices

Science fiction. Fake news. Alternative Facts. Understood what you suggest. 

[chez]

If you want to experience Canada without the British influence, just vacation in Quebec. All of the beer, none of the stiff upper lip.

And if you want the full British experience have high tea at the Empress in Victoria BC...then head out to Tofino for some amazing fish tacos at the Tacofino stand just outside Tofino.

[TechTalk]

As your own quote says, it is real news, not satire. Science. John Hopkins University science.

Not exactly "John Hopkins University science". It's a summary of a student article that quotes an economics professor in a student newspaper.

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

"The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently."

"As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher."

"Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.

"Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19, The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers."

Conveniently disregarded context is never helpful, except to those trying to grasp at straws to shore up the foundation of their ideology.

[TechTalk]

It is worth looking into dissenting voices, different point of view, even if you disagree with it - rather then censoring it.

True

Coincidentally, censorship, Soviet style, seems to be the method of choice for Democrats these days.

Baloney

[TechTalk]

Watching a movie, "Mark Felt," about a Watergate investigation. Found something striking in it (bold mine):

Watergate was the most intensive, objective, and thorough investigation in the history of the US Attorney's office and the FBI

Mind you, that statement was made within the first couple of days of the investigation that concluded no one from the White House was involved. What happened next is history.

All of a sudden, something else sounds interesting too.

Your assertion "that statement was made within the first couple of days of the investigation" is false. The Watergate burglars were arrested on June 17, 1972 and an investigation began immediately. Within hours of their arrest, the FBI had already found E. Howard Hunt's name in the address books of two of the burglars which linked the burglars to the White House.

The statement that you found "striking" was made by Attorney General Richard Kleindienst on September 15, 1972 nearly three months later when the five Watergate burglars were indicted by a federal grand jury. It obviously was not "made within the first couple of days of the investigation".

Watching movies, including historical dramas, is fun. Studying history requires a little more effort to get right.

[digitaldog]

Conveniently disregarded context is never helpful, except to those trying to grasp at straws to shore up the foundation of their ideology.
Baloney
Watching movies, including historical dramas, is fun. Studying history requires a little more effort to get right.

Bravo! If that doesn't have him with his tail between his legs, nothing can. I suspect it will be ignored, as seen the last number of times being called out, but I for one found the those last three posts very well thought out and convincing arguments to what they addresses.

[chez]

Mind you, that statement was made within the first couple of days of the investigation that concluded no one from the White House was involved. What happened next is history.

All of a sudden, something else sounds interesting too.


Your assertion "that statement was made within the first couple of days of the investigation" is false. The Watergate burglars were arrested on June 17, 1972 and an investigation began immediately. Within hours of their arrest, the FBI had already found E. Howard Hunt's name in the address books of two of the burglars which linked the burglars to the White House.

The statement that you found "striking" was made by Attorney General Richard Kleindienst on September 15, 1972 nearly three months later when the five Watergate burglars were indicted by a federal grand jury. It obviously was not "made within the first couple of days of the investigation".

Watching movies, including historical dramas, is fun. Studying history requires a little more effort to get right.

But it's more fun to watch dramas than to study history. Unfortunately some seem to mix up dramas with actual history.

[chez]

Bravo! If that doesn't have him with his tail between his legs, nothing can. I suspect it will be ignored, as seen the last number of times being called out, but I for one found the those last three posts very well thought out and convincing arguments to what they addresses.

You are right. Slobo will just slink away from sight...to arise with some other wild ass post.

[digitaldog]

Too funny, the irony:
President-elect Joe Biden saw a small net gain in votes as Milwaukee County, Wisconsin's largest, certified its presidential general election results Friday after a recount requested by the Trump campaign.
The results showed a net gain of 132 votes for Biden

[TechTalk]

Here are the credentials of the author:

Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master's degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

More of the authors "credentials"...

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Genevieve_Briand

She may be a good person to contact if you want to know more about managing Alaska Red King Crab production, given her background is in agricultural economics. I think that I'll stick with Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine for Covid related data.

In case you'd like to take one of her classes...

https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings Genevieve Briand

And some insight into her attitude about Covid-19 before she began her "research" on Covid deaths, from a July letter to the editor at a Wyoming newspaper where she first attended school after leaving France...

https://kemmerergazette.com/article/letter-to-the-editor-without-risk-that-are-no-rewards

"At the end of April, the President of the United States delegated the powers to assess the needs for health orders, at the state level. By then, we had established that our hospitals were not overwhelmed."

"Businesses, churches, and schools continued to be shut down. Seniors were denied the graduations they so deserved and looked forward to. Town celebrations were canceled or scaled down. Why for?"

"We have not been hurt by COVID-19 itself, but by the health orders."

[Robert Roaldi]

And if you want the full British experience have high tea at the Empress in Victoria BC...then head out to Tofino for some amazing fish tacos at the Tacofino stand just outside Tofino.

We managed to miss both those when we were there. But we did have lunch/high tea at Abkhazi Garden. We've also had high tea at the Chateau Laurier in Ottawa once and a few times at the King Estate in Parc Gatineau. But we should try out the Empress.

[Robert Roaldi]

... rather than toe the party line.

You give yourself away. You start with the assumption that there is a "party line". What makes you think that the people involved in this research don't already view the data from many points of view before reaching their final conclusions? That's a large assumption on your part, which you seem to be making because you don't want to hear what they're telling you. That's not a good enough reason.

[TechTalk]

She looked at the same set of data and found a different way of interpreting it. Worth at least trying to understand her point of view, rather than toe the party line.

If you really feel that it's "Worth at least trying to understand her point of view" here is the presentation that she gave with her charts and graphs and which was reported with quotes from her by a sophomore reporter in her school newspaper and subsequently excitedly reported in right-wing media. I know that you'll enjoy trying to understand her point of view and will find it worthwhile.

https://www.youtube.com/Covid-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data

By the way, an online informal presentation—or "friendly conversation" as the presentation was described by the host—which was then reported by a school newspaper being described as a study published by Johns Hopkins, as the Not the Bee article to which you linked stated, seems a bit misleading to me.

[James Clark]

And if you want the full British experience have high tea at the Empress in Victoria BC...then head out to Tofino for some amazing fish tacos at the Tacofino stand just outside Tofino.

Going to try these out next time I’m in BC!

[Craig Lamson]

Too funny, the irony:
President-elect Joe Biden saw a small net gain in votes as Milwaukee County, Wisconsin's largest, certified its presidential general election results Friday after a recount requested by the Trump campaign.
The results showed a net gain of 132 votes for Biden

It’s also worth noting that the Rep observers identified 160k votes they consider suspect.