Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[faberryman]

Well, Democrat Hillary in 2016, Democrat Gore in 2000.  The point is legal and other challenges are nothing new.  It's just that whatever Trump does, the Democrats make it seem like WWIII forgetting their candidates did similar things.

Maybe I missed it. Who is making Trump filing voter fraud lawsuits seem like WWIII?

[Alan Klein]

Perhaps he was just lying on the bed to tuck in his shirt like Trump's personal attorney Rudy.

But Rudy wasn't breathing hard.

[Alan Klein]

Maybe I missed it. Who is making Trump filing voter fraud lawsuits seem like WWIII?

All the Democrats and the left wing media. You'd think the entire Western civilization will come down if Trump doesn't concede immediately. It's just noise. The election is over.  You won.  You don't have to make your point anymore.  This is what Trump does.  Haven't you learned after four years.  He throws the last punch.  He litigious.  He fights until the end.  More important things to discuss.  Georgia senate races for one.  Control of the senate.  Covid.  The economy.  In two weeks everyone will forget about dead voters.  They'll go back to sleep until the next election when the walking dead will arise again. 

[digitaldog]

You'd still listen to Toobin? 

Yes, if he's speaking on the topic of which he's an expert.
Examine his chops:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Toobin
Would I take his advise on how to run a Zoom meeting? No. As an Assistant U.S. Attorney, author of 7 books on the law, would I listen to him on law? Yes.
If your doctor were caught whacking off, you'd stop seeing him and accepting his medical expertise? Seriously?
Next you'll tell us you've never choked your own chicken at the ripe old age of 75. It's OK, no one here is knocking your hobbies. 

[digitaldog]

All the Democrats and the left wing media. You'd think the entire Western civilization will come down if Trump doesn't concede immediately.

Like Hillary and virtually all other Presidents that lost.
One should expect cheaters in golf and business, among other things, to delay if ever, conceding.

[faberryman]

All the Democrats and the left wing media. You'd think the entire Western civilization will come down if Trump doesn't concede immediately.

So all the Democrats and the left wing media. Have you got a link for that? And while you are at it, could you post a link to a story in the left wing media which asserts "the entire Western civilization will come down if Trump doesn't concede immediately." Can you tell I think you are over-reacting.

The stories I have read say that he is 0-15 or so in the litigation so far, and his new lawsuits don't look any more promising. Meanwhile, he is tweeting about massive voter fraud. None of this surprises anyone. It was predicted. Let him have his crying time. The electoral college doesn't meet for another month.

In the meantime, we can argue over whether a postal employee lied or didn't lie in an affidavit, or did or didn't recant in an interview with the Postal Service IG, involving two ballots, about which no fraud has been shown. For all we know, the two ballots were for Trump.

[Alan Klein]

Yes, if he's speaking on the topic of which he's an expert.
Examine his chops:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Toobin
Would I take his advise on how to run a Zoom meeting? No. As an Assistant U.S. Attorney, author of 7 books on the law, would I listen to him on law? Yes.
If your doctor were caught whacking off, you'd stop seeing him and accepting his medical expertise? Seriously?
Next you'll tell us you've never choked your own chicken at the ripe old age of 75. It's OK, no one here is knocking your hobbies. 

Well I stopped respecting Toobin before the zoom issue because he's obviously prejudiced against Trump.  He could never separate facts from his hatred of Trump or his need to please his CNN masters. At 75, I just took up large format photography.  So I'm not dead yet. And I hope to keep any picadillos I have off of zoom. There aren't too many left anyway. 

[jeremyrh]

This is what Trump does.  He fights until the end. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ZmInkxbvlCs&app=desktop

(The above link is to a video of a Monty Python episode depicting a person fighting to the end.)

[digitaldog]

Well I stopped respecting Toobin before the zoom issue because he's obviously prejudiced against Trump. 

Ah, so any experts you deal with; doctors, lawyers, plumbers, if they hold a negative view of Trump, their expertise is now ignored. Got it. I hope you can accurately gauge the views of everyone who's help you need in terms of their support or prejudice towards Trump today and in the future as doing so will severely affect the quality of your life still to live.

At 75, I just took up large format photography.

But everything you learned about it from others, assuming you ever have, were from people who support Trump?

And I hope to keep any picadillos I have off of zoom.

Have you ever even used Zoom? 
You don't have to answer any of the rhetorical questions above. They are posted with the idea you might actually think about them and the implications of what you post, not to generate more posts. 

[Craig Lamson]

Like Hillary and virtually all other Presidents that lost.
One should expect cheaters in golf and business, among other things, to delay if ever, conceding.

I think it was Hillary who suggested to Biden that he not conceed under any circumstances. 

[faberryman]

In case you aren't following dear leader on Twitter, here is one from this morning:

"@FoxNews daytime ratings have completely collapsed. Weekend daytime even WORSE. Very sad to watch this happen, but they forgot what made them successful, what got them there. They forgot the Golden Goose. The biggest difference between the 2016 Election, and 2020, was @FoxNews!"

Then there are a couple of dozens re-tweets from his followers saying they are moving over to NewsMax or OAN. I'm not sure I even get those channels in my cable package. Sounds like an exercise in marginalization to me.

[digitaldog]

Wait for it; Trump is  compiling a list of people to pardon. Want to guess who's at the top? Who's always on his mind; you guessed right.
Let's see what happens.
Meanwhile, 1600 Americans died of Covid-19 yesterday. Did he or VP (head of the Virus task force) tweet or speak or do anything on the subject? Nope.
Now I wonder what they would be saying of 4-5 fully loaded jet's crashed yesterday, killing everyone on board. Oh yeah, at least one would be tweeting about imaginary election fraud. And watching a lot of TV.
And Biden can do worse?
Meanwhile, the fact deniers confuse what Hillary did with what they believe Hillary may have suggested to Biden that Biden doesn't have to follow. Trump should have. Sad but typical.

[Alan Klein]

So all the Democrats and the left wing media. Have you got a link for that? And while you are at it, could you post a link to a story in the left wing media which asserts "the entire Western civilization will come down if Trump doesn't concede immediately." Can you tell I think you are over-reacting.

The stories I have read say that he is 0-15 or so in the litigation so far, and his new lawsuits don't look any more promising. Meanwhile, he is tweeting about massive voter fraud. None of this surprises anyone. It was predicted. Let him have his crying time. The electoral college doesn't meet for another month.

In the meantime, we can argue over whether a postal employer lied or didn't lie in an affidavit, or did or didn't recant in an interview with the Postal Service IG, involving two ballots, about which no fraud has been shown. For all we know, the two ballots could have been for Trump.

I'm not overreacting.  The Democrats are overreacting.  You won.  It doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do.  The electors and constitution will decide. Democrats have this need to hear Trump say he lost and his ego refuses to do it.  Everyone's egos are involved.   

When I was a kid, we'd play this little game where you'd grab your friend from behind in a head lock and squeeze until he said "uncle".  Then you'd let him go.  It was an ego trip on both sides because your friend would refuse to say "uncle" out of pride and the headlocker would continue to squeeze and hurt him until he said it.  That's pretty much what's going on now.  Dems want the King to say he surrenders, to admit he lost.  It's driving them crazy like everything else he's done.  He really knows how to pull their chain. Still doing it after four years.  He may never do it just to not give them the satisfaction.  I think his pride might hurt republican senators in Georgia.  That's what my concern is.  Republicans will probably push him to admit it's over.  He might not do it. 

[digitaldog]

I'm not overreacting.  The Democrats are overreacting.  You won.  It doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do. 

Yes, it does matter, to democracy, to norms, to what other countries see from our democracy or lack thereof. To national security as outlined and recommended after Bush/Gore and the outcome of 9/11. Please, use an ounce of critical thinking about the democracy of our country when justifying the enviable outcome and how baby Trump is behaving. 

[faberryman]

I'm not overreacting.  The Democrats are overreacting.  You won.  It doesn't matter what Trump does or doesn't do.  The electors and constitution will decide. Democrats have this need to hear Trump say he lost and his ego refuses to do it.  Everyone's egos are involved.

I don't know where you come up with this stuff. Most everything I've read in the commie/lib media acknowledges that Trump will never concede. I don't think any Democrats are holding their breath.

When I was a kid, we'd play this little game where you'd grab your friend from behind in a head lock and squeeze until he said "uncle".  Then you'd let him go.  It was an ego trip on both sides because your friend would refuse to say "uncle" out of pride and the headlocker would continue to squeeze and hurt him until he said it.

That explains a lot.

That's pretty much what's going on now. Dems want the King to say he surrenders, to admit he lost.  It's driving them crazy like everything else he's done.  He really knows how to pull their chain. Still doing it after four years.  He may never do it just to not give them the satisfaction.  I think his pride might hurt republican senators in Georgia.  That's what my concern is.  Republicans will probably push him to admit it's over.  He might not do it.

That is just your little fantasy. Nobody, Republican or Democrat, believes he'll concede.

[Alan Klein]

Yes, it does matter, to democracy, to norms, to what other countries see from our democracy or lack thereof. To national security as outlined and recommended after Bush/Gore and the outcome of 9/11. Please, use an ounce of critical thinking about the democracy of our country when justifying the enviable outcome and how baby Trump is behaving. 

Civilization and American democracy somehow survived the 39 days Gore fought up through the Supreme Court to determine who won the 2000 presidential election. Democracy is about hearing about minority views, even from a standing president.  Brushing off his rights is not about democracy or constitutional rights, just politics. 

[Alan Klein]

I don't know where you come up with this stuff. Most everything I've read in the commie/lib media acknowledges that Trump will never concede. I don't think any Democrats are holding their breath.

That explains a lot.

That is just you projecting. Nobody, Republican or Democrat, believes he'll concede.

That's the point.  And it's driving Democrats crazy that he's not conceding.  Here there are twenty pages of arguments from you and other Trump haters why he should concede.  If it didn't matter to you, why are you objecting so much? 

[faberryman]

That's the point.  And it's driving Democrats crazy that he's not conceding. 

Again, that is just your little fantasy.

Here there are twenty pages of arguments from you and other Trump haters why he should concede.  If it didn't matter to you, why are you objecting so much?

Another little fantasy of yours. Please point to any of my posts wherein I said he should concede.

[digitaldog]

Civilization and American democracy somehow survived the 39 days Gore fought up through the Supreme Court to determine who won the 2000 presidential election. Democracy is about hearing about minority views, even from a standing president.  Brushing off his rights is not about democracy or constitutional rights, just politics.

The two conditions are not at all the same sir! Gore did fight, he had data and proof to do so, in the end, it was a difference of like 500 odd votes in ONE state AND more importantly, Gore conceded. As Trump should have days ago. He's massively behind in the votes and EC.
Biden is ahead of Trump far, far more than in 2000, and in fact with vastly larger margins than Trump was ahead of Clinton in 2016. And there is next to no evidence of voter fraud and any found is tiny and wouldn't get close to altering the results. Trump is being a baby, he's lost and he is ruining the democratic process. And even if the actual facts I just outlined are not accepted, bringing up Gore allows Trump to be as political? No, it isn't the same whatsoever and it isn't politics. It's a deliberate crack in our democratic process and deserves no justification.
IF Obama or Hillary acted like Trump is now doing, your head would explode all over your keyboard. Admit it.

[faberryman]

Anyone remember there is a coronavirus pandemic? Looks like Corey Lewandowski caught the bug.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/corey-lewandowski-coronavirus/index.html