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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #520 on: November 08, 2020, 06:50:12 pm »

I disagree with most if not all of Craig's political positions, but this is sheer nonsense from start to finish. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I could of course be wrong, but:
- it seems clear that many people who voted for Trump are far from being supporters, they just think that Biden is a worse option
- their opinion was most probably strongly influenced by Trump's campaign. Strangely, although many agree that Trump lies all the time, they seem to lend some truth to what he has been saying about Biden, in particular being a socialist. Since we know he isn't one, there is a high probability that many voters will realize soon enough that Biden is actually going to try to be the President of all Americans. Of course I do understand that in some families/areas people will never vote Democrat even if the Republican candidate were the Devil itself and told them not to vote for him,
- there was certainly a negative bias against Trump from the beginning in main stream media, but he could have turned that easily had he been a good President and accepted the role of the press in a Democracy. Instead he choose to antagonize them, as well as all the American who were not supporters of his
- and my opinion remains that, beyond a certain point, in particular since the covid19 started, those who continued to support trump against all odds carry a responsibility in the easily avoidable tens of thousands of extra covid casualties resulting from Trump's approach to governance. I also happen to think that the Germans who put Hitler in office had a responsibility for the Holocaust. At least I am consistent. Probably because I believe in democracy and think that voting is an important act.

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« Reply #521 on: November 08, 2020, 07:17:22 pm »

those who continued to support trump against all odds carry a responsibility in the easily avoidable tens of thousands of extra covid casualties resulting from Trump's approach to governance. I also happen to think that the Germans who put Hitler in office had a responsibility for the Holocaust. At least I am consistent. Probably because I believe in democracy and think that voting is an important act.

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Bernard

Absolutely correct. Trump and the other villain couldn't have done all the damage without the silent approval of their supporters what gave them the apparent legitimacy.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #522 on: November 08, 2020, 07:35:11 pm »

Different kind of statistics have been revealed today. Alcohol sales soared 68% on Election Day, with Democratic states buying the most.

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According to boozy delivery app Drizly, Tuesday’s election saw a massive jump in sales through its platform, to the tune of a 68% increase over the previous four Tuesdays.
Major cities in particular saw large jumps in sales, with orders coming in 133% higher in Washington D.C. than the four previous Tuesdays, 110% higher in New York City, 55% higher in Chicago, and 34% higher in Los Angeles. While the 2020 election has certainly been polarizing for the nation, Drizly says it wasn’t completely out of the ordinary as far as sales go. The company says that the 2016 election also saw an increase in sales of 69% compared to the four previous Tuesdays.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/alcohol-sales-up-68-percent-election-day-2020-drizly-210808804.html
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #523 on: November 08, 2020, 07:39:14 pm »

Different kind of statistics have been revealed today. Alcohol sales soared 68% on Election Day, with Democratic states buying the most.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/alcohol-sales-up-68-percent-election-day-2020-drizly-210808804.html
How about recreational marijuana?  ;D
Biden should make that easier hopefully!
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #524 on: November 08, 2020, 08:29:29 pm »

You guys probably all knew this study already, but it's a good read and may explain many of the perceptions that have resulted in Trump loosing by a smaller margin than expected, and that now result in some Trump voters thinking that the world is about to end.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6380/1146

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« Reply #525 on: November 08, 2020, 10:19:51 pm »

Seriously, some people here need to get a life or ... a hobby, like wine making. 

I have not looked at this site in three days and this topic some home added 20 pages to it. 

As I tell my assistants, you're not an alcoholic, just an enthusiasts, if you make it yourself.  I thank God I don't have the room for a still.
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« Reply #526 on: November 09, 2020, 07:29:08 am »

...some Trump voters thinking that the world is about to end.

Not "about to," but starting a descent.

Note that the USSR ended only after 70+ years.

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« Reply #527 on: November 09, 2020, 07:31:46 am »

Absolutely correct. Trump and the other villain couldn't have done all the damage without the silent approval of their supporters what gave them the apparent legitimacy.

Absolutely! Simple solution: gulags for them. The Bartender-in-Chief has already been compiling the list.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #528 on: November 09, 2020, 07:34:40 am »

I disagree with most if not all of Craig's political positions, but this is sheer nonsense from start to finish. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I disagree with many of your post in the past (and probably future), but this one I agree with.

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #529 on: November 09, 2020, 07:38:10 am »

... hose who continued to support trump against all odds carry a responsibility...

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... the Germans who put Hitler in office had a responsibility for the Holocaust...

And the Godwin's Law Award for 2020* goes to... Bernard!

*Just when you thought 2020 can not get any worse

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #530 on: November 09, 2020, 08:05:58 am »

The question is who is “we”.

You belong to a tiny minority of extremists that in no way represents the bulk of people who voted against Biden in 2020. A large majority will quickly realize that painting Biden as a socialist was more Trump lies and that they are much better off with a competent President that cares about American people well being.

It seems you haven’t understood yet that a large majority of Americans was antigonized by Trump, not the opposite.

And the media was totally right to put you, Craig and a bunch of hardcore supporters, in the same bag as Trump himself because everything awful Trump did and said is on you also.

Cheers,
Bernard

Bernard, you really are the most arrogant person I know of along with being a control freak who thinks he can tell others what to do. 

Thank God you're not in power anywhere.  It is people like you who become tyrants. 

FYI, I really cant think of a single thing Trump did that was awful.  We got tax cuts, lower regulations, energy independent for the first time in my life (Biden will destroy that), we abandoned the single worse foreign policy in the history of my country, aka the Iran Nuclear deal, etc., etc.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #531 on: November 09, 2020, 09:15:49 am »

Seriously, some people here need to get a life or ... a hobby, like wine making. 

I have not looked at this site in three days and this topic some home added 20 pages to it. 
As Harry S Truman one said “if you can’t take the heat get out of the kitchenJoe”  ;D
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #532 on: November 09, 2020, 09:50:03 am »

You guys probably all knew this study already, but it's a good read and may explain many of the perceptions that have resulted in Trump loosing by a smaller margin than expected, and that now result in some Trump voters thinking that the world is about to end.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6380/1146

I read the article. By what leaps of logic have you arrived at the conclusion that because false news appears to travel faster than true news on Twitter, "some Trump voters [think] that the world is about to end"? And how many is "some"?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #533 on: November 09, 2020, 10:52:04 am »

One of the most nefarious results of the Trump administration was the polarization of society in USA, as witnessed in these threads. I hope the time comes when people can behave in a civilized way, and use common sense.

Unfortunately, Trump may be gone, but trumpism is here to stay. To have 70 million people voting for him is a significant result, and shows that a great part of the USA believes his "script" and narrative, however far from reality it may actually be.

Hopefully, he will come to his senses and promote an efficient transition.

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« Reply #534 on: November 09, 2020, 10:56:38 am »

FYI, I really cant think of a single thing Trump did that was awful.  We got tax cuts, lower regulations, energy independent for the first time in my life (Biden will destroy that), we abandoned the single worse foreign policy in the history of my country, aka the Iran Nuclear deal, etc., etc.

I can think of many awful things Trump did. Just in the Covid pandemic he did plenty of stupid, and even criminal mistakes and rushed actions which killed people and damaged economy.
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« Reply #535 on: November 09, 2020, 11:13:31 am »

I can think of many awful things Trump did. Just in the Covid pandemic he did plenty of stupid, and even criminal mistakes and rushed actions which killed people and damaged economy.

For example?

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« Reply #536 on: November 09, 2020, 11:18:15 am »

One of the most nefarious results of the Trump administration was the polarization of society in USA...

By the same token, it could be argued that the polarization started with Obama, and Trump was simply an answer to that. Remember, BLM, ISIS, burning down cities, executing police officers in cold blood, etc. all started under Obama.

There are studies, however, from the University of Chicago, for instance, that argue America is not more divided than in the past, just that people have shorter memory and availability bias to more recent news.

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« Reply #537 on: November 09, 2020, 11:37:41 am »

For example?

Allowing political rallies where people were present without the required measures to mitigate against the spread of the virus. That sort of attitude may lead to unnecessary deaths.

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« Reply #538 on: November 09, 2020, 11:43:06 am »

Allowing political rallies where people were present without the required measures to mitigate against the spread of the virus. That sort of attitude may lead to unnecessary deaths.

You mean like those celebratory gatherings across the USA for Biden the last couple of days? Or 100 days of uninterrupted protests, looting, and rioting?

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« Reply #539 on: November 09, 2020, 11:50:23 am »

For example?
Utter lack of leadership to promote Mask usage, just the opposite, ignoring the science of mask use, making it political. That ALONE is an example of how not to lead in a pandemic. The results based on the number of people infected and dead in the US are clear outside the unreality bubble of alternative fact believers.
Trump is now suggested more ralies to boast his ego while infecting others in a bubble without masks or protection. More deliberate malpractice, and lack of leadership.
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