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« Reply #9160 on: March 17, 2021, 07:05:54 pm »

Indeed, that was very unfortunate. And she paid dearly for her devotion.
The same could be said about Floyd.  He was a criminal and paid for his crimes.  But one thing has nothing to do with the other.  Regardless of a crime someone commits, the police are supposed to take reasonable action, and not kill the perpetrator.  If you made the same statement about Floyd, everyone here would disagree with you.  In any case, we all should know the full circumstances of what happened.  Don't you think that's a reasonable request? ?

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« Reply #9161 on: March 17, 2021, 07:15:44 pm »

We both agreed that she was no saint. At the time she was shot she didn't carry any weapon, she was focused on climbing through the partially broken door. She was stopped dead cold in middle of a violent act. What do you think, would have happened to the unarmed lawmakers and police officers protecting them, if she and dozens others had breached that door?
The three cops standing in front of the door were not attacked. They seemed very calm, matter of factly.  One of the perpetrators was trying to calm the group down.  Then the cops moved away from the door for unknown reasons? Why did they move away from their guard position protecting the entrance?  The video I watched didn't have sound so I couldn't tell what they were discussing.   Then the cop who shot moved forward and aimed at various perpetrators arbitrarily picking out the victim.  Did he state a warning? That should be in the investigative report. Release the report.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/video-shows-fatal-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-at-u-s-capitol/2491343/

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« Reply #9162 on: March 17, 2021, 07:45:34 pm »

The three cops standing in front of the door were not attacked. They seemed very calm, matter of factly.  One of the perpetrators was trying to calm the group down.  Then the cops moved away from the door for unknown reasons? Why did they move away from their guard position protecting the entrance?  The video I watched didn't have sound so I couldn't tell what they were discussing.   Then the cop who shot moved forward and aimed at various perpetrators arbitrarily picking out the victim.  Did he state a warning? That should be in the investigative report. Release the report.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/video-shows-fatal-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-at-u-s-capitol/2491343/

In my view, there was a huge difference in killing the two violent individuals. But since I wasn't there, I can't release any official report and thus will step away from this contretemps. If you feel very strongly about this matter and need to discuss it in more detail, write to the proper authorities, as advised by Frank.

Since I can't think about any more killings right now, I'm going to have a plant-based dinner tonight.
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« Reply #9163 on: March 17, 2021, 07:49:27 pm »

In my view, there was a huge difference in killing the two violent individuals. But since I wasn't there, I can't release any official report and thus will step away from this contretemps. If you feel very strongly about this matter and need to discuss it in more detail, write to the proper authorities, as advised by Frank.

Since I can't think about any more killings right now, I'm going to have a plant-based dinner tonight.
Will you kill the plants before you eat them?

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« Reply #9164 on: March 17, 2021, 08:06:37 pm »

Will you kill the plants before you eat them?

Not tonight, raw plants allegedly provide more nutrients and enzymes. But since you mentioned it, I'll light a candle and play quietly Killing Me Softly.
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« Reply #9165 on: March 17, 2021, 08:45:27 pm »

willy nilly=without direction or planning, haphazardly

The video shows a guy who was protected behind a door.  He moves his gun from one rioter to another before making an arbitrary "willy nilly" decision to shoot the woman who was still behind the door and a barrier in front of the door.  Why did he shoot her and not one of the men?  Did she seem more dangerous?  Did he have problems with women?  Was he a racist?  Did he see a weapon? Was that his only option?  Did he have a taser?  Other defensive means? Were there other with him out of sight? If so, who?  Why did the other guards who were protecting the door leave their position? Who told them to go?  Why? There are a million questions that have to be answered.  The point is the public and the family have a right to know what the investigation uncovered. 


https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/national-international/video-shows-fatal-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-at-u-s-capitol/2491343/

"The video shows a guy who was protected behind a door." Yes. It's a freakin' door to the House Chamber where members were taking cover from the domestic terrorists trying to get at them.

"making an arbitrary "willy nilly" decision to shoot the woman" What a load of total arbitrary "willy nilly" crap.

More total crap—plus a change in your narrative, another oft used tactic. First it was "a shot fired willy nilly into the crowd" and now it's a "willy nilly" decision to shoot the woman". Make up your mind. Is it a shot fired "willy nilly" (without direction/haphazardly) into the crowd or a "decision" and shot aimed at the woman coming thru the broken window frame? You do know that people notice when you're trying to wiggle out of previous statements, right?

More total crap..."the woman who was still behind the door and a barrier in front of the door." She was perched inside the broken window frame of the security barrier in the process of coming thru and being the first to breach it. Freeze the video just before the shot is fired (about 1:39 in the video you linked) (You can see it more clearly at 30-seconds into the video I linked because it doesn't darken when you freeze-frame). He fires parallel across the inside of the security barrier; not thru it. Think about getting an eye exam soon.

More total crap... "Why did he shoot her and not one of the men?  Did she seem more dangerous?" Because she was first in breaching the security barrier and when that happened, he moved his attention and gun away from the broken doors, which had furniture thrown against them from the inside to keep them from being opened, and shot the first person coming thru the barrier. The entire mob was dangerous and at that moment, she was leading the breach thru the only security barrier left and which was directly in front of the the doors to the House Chamber.

More total crap... "Did he have problems with women?  Was he a racist?" Too ridiculous to warrant a response.

"Why did the other guards who were protecting the door leave their position? Who told them to go?" Because they were standing directly in front of a violent mob with no helmets or tactical gear. They moved to make way for a well-armed tactical team at the top of the stairs which are clearly visible in the video (about 1:47 in the video you linked).

All of this information is readily available and you're determined to be blind to it. First, it was a phony comparison to police actions with George Floyd. Now, false assertions regarding what actually happened at the Capitol. You're tiresome in your false assertions and crap.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #9166 on: March 17, 2021, 09:02:51 pm »

More total crap—plus a change in your narrative, another oft used tactic
It is total crap. But if you insist on dancing with someone crapping all over the dance floor, you're going to end up stepping into the crap and it's a pain to clean off your shoes.  ;)
There isn't any way to avoid the crap until the dancing stops.
Alan is a Troll. He feeds off the attention like most trolls. He needs a real hobby and photography isn't it plus, he really hasn't got anything otherwise that is worthwhile to generate attention but regurgitating more crap. He seems a sad, old, mighty-white, not very well educated, racially insensitive person who can't find a fact or get out of a wet paper bag. This has been shown now for awhile, whether the topic is politics or imaging.     
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You're tiresome in your false assertions and crap.
Get on his ignore list. Because it doesn't matter if you are or are not in terms of speaking sense to a fool. But the former at least keeps him from posting more crap because he's a firm believer that ignorance is bliss. 
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« Reply #9167 on: March 17, 2021, 09:16:23 pm »

It is total crap. But if you insist on dancing with someone crapping all over the dance floor, you're going to end up stepping into the crap and it's a pain to clean off your shoes.  ;)
There isn't any way to avoid the crap until the dancing stops.
Alan is a Troll. He feeds off the attention like most trolls. He needs a real hobby and photography isn't it plus, he really hasn't got anything otherwise that is worthwhile to generate attention but regurgitating more crap. He seems a sad, old, mighty-white, not very well educated, racially insensitive person who can't find a fact or get out of a wet paper bag. This has been shown now for awhile, whether the topic is politics or imaging.     

Get on his ignore list. Because it doesn't matter if you are or are not in terms of speaking sense to a fool. But the former at least keeps him from posting more crap because he's a firm believer that ignorance is bliss.

You have to admit though, he does have an incredible ability for repetition.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #9168 on: March 17, 2021, 10:33:28 pm »

Where's the investigative report?

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« Reply #9169 on: March 18, 2021, 07:10:12 am »

Will you kill the plants before you eat them?

Alan, sometimes i think your brain works like AI- are you real?
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« Reply #9170 on: March 18, 2021, 07:38:17 am »

Alan, sometimes i think your brain works like AI- are you real?
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« Reply #9171 on: March 18, 2021, 07:40:25 am »

Alan, sometimes i think your brain works like AI- are you real?
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« Reply #9172 on: March 18, 2021, 08:00:39 am »

Where's the investigative report?

Let me play devil's advocate. Is there a requirement that investigations need to publicly release their findings before trial?
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« Reply #9173 on: March 18, 2021, 08:33:26 am »

Let me play devil's advocate. Is there a requirement that investigations need to publicly release their findings before trial?
I suppose laws vary depending on the jurisdiction, state, or in this case it might be Federal since it happened in Washington DC.  Surely, evidence might be held back for trial (of who? the rioters or the cop who shot her?  It can't be the woman - she's dead.) But usually, there are some details released.    If you consider other shootings, many facts about the incidents are released officially after just a couple of days.  Certainly, the family should be briefed out of decency after all this time even if a final disposition hasn't been determined. After all, the woman was a daughter, wife and/or mother to somebody. The public also has an interest.  Does it have to march and burn things down to get information and fair treatment? It seems that is the only thing that works today.

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« Reply #9174 on: March 18, 2021, 09:07:25 am »

I suppose laws vary depending on the jurisdiction, state, or in this case it might be Federal since it happened in Washington DC.  Surely, evidence might be held back for trial (of who? the rioters or the cop who shot her?  It can't be the woman - she's dead.) But usually, there are some details released.    If you consider other shootings, many facts about the incidents are released officially after just a couple of days.  Certainly, the family should be briefed out of decency after all this time even if a final disposition hasn't been determined. After all, the woman was a daughter, wife and/or mother to somebody. The public also has an interest.  Does it have to march and burn things down to get information and fair treatment? It seems that is the only thing that works today.

Speaking about an overdue release of critical information - has there been any progress on releasing Trump's old tax returns? The public has also interest on this matter.
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« Reply #9175 on: March 18, 2021, 09:25:33 am »

Speaking about an overdue release of critical information - has there been any progress on releasing Trump's old tax returns? The public has also interest on this matter.
Tax returns, by law, can't be released publicly.

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« Reply #9176 on: March 18, 2021, 10:36:43 am »

Now MGT (Marjorie Taylor Greene) has decided to cancel the Guam National Guard. This is what happens when you take away her committee assignments and she doesn't have anything else better to do.

Marjorie Taylor Greene demands Guam National Guard be sent home after ‘ambushing’ her office with cookies

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-guam-national-guard-cookies-b1818201.html

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« Reply #9177 on: March 18, 2021, 10:54:39 am »

So Biden has called Vladimir Putin a "killer". Do you remember when Bill O'Reilly suggested to Trump that Putin was a killer? Trump responded: "There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?” Good old Trump. Anybody remember him?

Russia reacts angrily after Biden calls Putin a 'killer'

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/18/europe/biden-putin-killer-comment-russia-reaction-intl/index.html
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« Reply #9178 on: March 18, 2021, 11:11:33 am »

I suppose laws vary depending on the jurisdiction, state, or in this case it might be Federal since it happened in Washington DC.  Surely, evidence might be held back for trial (of who? the rioters or the cop who shot her?  It can't be the woman - she's dead.) But usually, there are some details released.    If you consider other shootings, many facts about the incidents are released officially after just a couple of days.  Certainly, the family should be briefed out of decency after all this time even if a final disposition hasn't been determined. After all, the woman was a daughter, wife and/or mother to somebody. The public also has an interest.  Does it have to march and burn things down to get information and fair treatment? It seems that is the only thing that works today.

Your response sounds like hand waving to me. So basically the answer is no, there is no requirement, or none that you know about anyway or you would have said so.
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« Reply #9179 on: March 18, 2021, 11:23:54 am »

Your response sounds like hand waving to me. So basically the answer is no, there is no requirement, or none that you know about anyway or you would have said so.
I'm not a lawyer.  I gave you an answer that best fits my knowledge as a layman.  So for you to assume there is no requirement based of my answer, is jumping to conclusions.  Look it up on google.  Maybe you can get a definitive answer while I'm getting a haircut.
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