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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #8240 on: February 27, 2021, 06:44:52 pm »

Thanks for letting us know what you really think instead of regurgitating word for word what other people wrote. 

We can always trust you to give us your honest personal opinions on how you really feel. 
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« Reply #8241 on: February 27, 2021, 06:57:18 pm »

Thanks for letting us know what you really think instead of regurgitating word for word what other people wrote. 

We can always trust you to give us your honest personal opinions on how you really feel.

Levine's response to the crap that Rand Paul was trying to peddle seemed reasonable. She offered to discuss the complexities of the issue and then let him rant apoplectically.

What difference would it make in how you feel?
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« Reply #8242 on: February 27, 2021, 07:44:24 pm »

Children shouldn't be deciding what's best for them.  That's what they have parents for. 

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« Reply #8243 on: February 27, 2021, 08:44:55 pm »

Children shouldn't be deciding what's best for them.  That's what they have parents for.
Except when Trump has a say:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/12/11/immigrant-advocates-cant-locate-parents-separated-border-children/3896940001/
628 parents of separated children are still missing. Here's why immigrant advocates can't find them.
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« Reply #8244 on: February 27, 2021, 09:46:11 pm »

Paul's questioning was in the vein of, "When did you stop beating your wife?"

He was ranting and raving, was making no attempt to understand and was not asking questions for the purpose of understanding. The tactic was to put out the idea that the government is doing things to kids without their parents' permission. Some people seem to have fallen for that tactic hook, line and sinker. Whether or not this is actually taking place is an open question.

If he truly wanted to understand, he would have asked questions like, "Under what circumstances are these actions taken?" "Who is consulted?" "How are parents involved?" "How are the guidelines set?" "What does the research show?"

But he didn't ask questions like that, did he. He instead asked inflammatory questions designed to get media play and stir some people up with half-thoughts instead of true facts. In a infantile culture primed to not think, his method is not surprising.

More than anything, this reminds me of all those non-existing Satanic cults that were torturing children back in the 1980s and 1990s.
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« Reply #8245 on: February 28, 2021, 08:00:03 am »

Trumpistan's new tactic, restrict voting as much as possible, https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/28/trump-gop-cpac-voter-integrity-restrictions-471831.

Sooner or later the increasing cognitive dissonance will lead to a reckoning. You can't keep hugging the flag preaching freedom and liberty and all that but then pull stuff like this. And all of it a great big temper tantrum because it's not 1959 anymore.
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« Reply #8246 on: February 28, 2021, 03:17:03 pm »

What damage to democracy?

Pro-Trump Republican secession rhetoric in Texas and elsewhere is more than a punchline

This kind of seditious rhetoric would spell disaster for the supposedly United States of America.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/pro-trump-republican-secession-rhetoric-texas-elsewhere

Selected excerpts from full article linked above

For the past few months, a long-buried idea has been creeping from the fringe into mainstream Republican discourse: secession. Following President Joe Biden’s victory in November, GOP officials from Wyoming to Florida to Mississippi have floated the idea, claiming that the time for a national fracturing may be near. While there’s something of a seasonal flavor to this injection of rhetoric — Republican honchos like former Texas Gov. Rick Perry openly discussed secession following Barack Obama’s rise to the presidency, for instance — the recent rounds feel qualitatively different. As journalist and author Richard Kreitner, an expert on American secessionism, recently wrote, it’s time to “take secessionist talk seriously.”

And it’s not difficult to see why. In the wake of the failed pro-Trump insurrection in Washington, far-right American militias, buoyed by former President Donald Trump’s empty claims that the election was “stolen,” have increasingly agitated for the break-up of the U.S. As the head of one paramilitary group that has worked closely with conspiratorial Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., recently revealed, they’d “formed alliances with other far-right groups to advocate for Georgia’s secession.” One of the primary Facebook pages promoting the rally-turned-riot was also called “Red-State Secession.” Meanwhile, mainstream outlets like Fox News joke approvingly about secessionist movements in places like northern California — despite the movement’s clear comfort with political violence — while a range of employees at Glenn Beck’s outlet continue to call for the break-up of the U.S.

And it’s not just a tiny fringe that’s thinking about these concepts anymore. As the Bright Line Watch, a group of researchers from places like Dartmouth University, the University of Rochester, and University of Chicago, noted in a study released earlier in February, one-third of Republicans said they support secession. Disturbingly, half of Republicans across the former Confederacy (plus Kentucky and Oklahoma) are now willing to break off to form a newly independent country.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #8247 on: February 28, 2021, 09:47:40 pm »

So Biden agrees to deal with Saudi Salmon just as Trump did.

White House defends decision not to punish Saudi crown prince, says U.S. does not sanction foreign leaders

"That is what diplomacy looks like. That is what a complicated global engagement looks like and we've made no secret and have been clear that we are going to hold them accountable on the global stage," Psaki said, adding that the administration took steps through the Treasury and State Department." A slap on the wrists."
https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEItH3_ZUfzUMw_x4vs1y3CQqGQgEKhAIACoHCAow2Nb3CjDivdcCMKuvhQY?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

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« Reply #8248 on: February 28, 2021, 09:54:05 pm »

So Biden agrees to deal with Saudi Salmon just as Trump
Had Alan actually read the article he just posted, maybe he'd see the above statement is false.
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« Reply #8250 on: March 01, 2021, 12:05:13 pm »

Had Alan actually read the article he just posted, maybe he'd see the above statement is false.

So Biden agrees to deal with Saudi Salmon

Maybe Alan has other fish to fry. It appears that he's talking about salmon in Saudi Arabia which I hear they prepare in a variety of tasty dishes.

https://www.intrafish.com/aquaculture/is-saudi-arabia-land-based-salmon-farmings-new-frontier

Currently, the Middle East is void of land-based salmon farms, but there is increasing investor appetite in the region for more sustainable projects, said Havn.

"We originally started work on the project in Dubai, but then gained interest from Saudi Arabia where the investors are more promising," Havn said. "It's a really fast-growing salmon market with the eating habits changing towards to more healthier diets."


The king and crown prince there are named Salman and that's a different kettle of fish.
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« Reply #8251 on: March 01, 2021, 12:17:25 pm »

Maybe Alan has other fish to fry. It appears that he's talking about salmon in Saudi Arabia which I hear they prepare in a variety of tasty dishes.

https://www.intrafish.com/aquaculture/is-saudi-arabia-land-based-salmon-farmings-new-frontier

Currently, the Middle East is void of land-based salmon farms, but there is increasing investor appetite in the region for more sustainable projects, said Havn.

"We originally started work on the project in Dubai, but then gained interest from Saudi Arabia where the investors are more promising," Havn said. "It's a really fast-growing salmon market with the eating habits changing towards to more healthier diets."


The king and crown prince there are named Salman and that's a different kettle of fish.
Cute.  The Truth Brigade now has become the SpellCHek Brigade. The bottom line is both Trump and Biden did nothing to punish the fish.

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« Reply #8252 on: March 01, 2021, 12:20:41 pm »

Cute.  The Truth Brigade now has become the SpellCHek Brigade.

Debate my points, not my method.  That's just style.
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« Reply #8253 on: March 01, 2021, 01:38:57 pm »

It is not just a spelling error. Mohammed is his name. Salman is his father's name. Abdulaziz is his grandfather's name. His family name is Saud. Thus: Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Mohammed son of Salman son of Abdulaziz of the house of Saud). He goes by MBS aka the Crown Prince, and is deputy prime minister.

Trump did nothing as a result of the Khashoggi assassination. Biden took the actions set forth in the article previously linked to.

MBS and Jared Kushner are big pals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/08/world/middleeast/saudi-mbs-jared-kushner.html
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« Reply #8254 on: March 01, 2021, 01:59:35 pm »

It is not just a spelling error. Mohammed is his name. Salman is his father's name. Abdulaziz is his grandfather's name. His family name is Saud. Thus: Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Mohammed son of Salman son of Abdulaziz of the house of Saud). He goes by MBS aka the Crown Prince, and is deputy prime minister.

Trump did nothing as a result of the Khashoggi assassination. Biden took the actions set forth in the article previously linked to.
A slap on the wrist. Nothing's changed. Salman killed an american journalist then dismembered his body while his fiance waited outside the Saudi embassy for him to return with a marriage certificate.  Psaki for Biden said this is what diplomacy looks like.  Biden's no different than Trump, just smoother.

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« Reply #8255 on: March 01, 2021, 03:19:24 pm »

Nothing's changed... Biden's no different than Trump...

Since you linked to a CNBC report, let's see what the article you linked to actually says...

When he was running for president, Joe Biden said he would hold senior Saudi leaders accountable for Khashoggi’s death, calling the kingdom’s leadership a “pariah” that had “very little social redeeming value.”

On Friday, Treasury slapped sanctions on the crown prince’s security detail, known as the Rapid Intervention Force. It also sanctioned the former deputy head of the kingdom’s intelligence service, Ahmad Hassan Mohammed al-Asiri, who is accused of being a ringleader in the plot.

Meanwhile, the State Department imposed visa restrictions on 76 Saudi individuals “believed to have been engaged in threatening dissidents overseas, including but not limited to the Khashoggi killing.”

When asked if the Biden administration would take further action, Psaki said that the United States would recalibrate its relationship with Saudi Arabia in the wake of the Trump administration.

Earlier this month, Biden announced the end of U.S. support for offensive operations in Yemen. Since March 2015, Saudi Arabia and the UAE have carried out attacks in Yemen against the Houthis. The Saudi-led intervention in Yemen had previously enjoyed the backing of former President Donald Trump’s administration. And last month, Biden halted sales of precision-guided munitions to Saudi Arabia in order to assess potential human rights abuses.

Despite reports that Saudi Arabia was behind the attack, Trump said in a lengthy statement that the United States would stand with Saudi Arabia.

Throughout his presidency, Trump often cited the importance of America’s relationship with Saudi Arabia, repeatedly pushing back on approving significant economic or political consequences for Riyadh’s human rights abuses.

The Biden administration has previously said it is reviewing U.S. relations with Saudi Arabia and unlike the previous administration, the 35-year-old royal is not viewed as the president’s counterpart. Instead, Biden and will conduct relations through the crown prince’s aging father, King Salman, and Secretary of State Antony Blinken will conduct relations through the foreign minister.
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« Reply #8256 on: March 01, 2021, 03:20:35 pm »

And linked within the article that you cited...

Biden’s pause on Gulf weapons sales foreshadows a tougher U.S.-Saudi relationship

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/28/bidens-pause-on-gulf-weapons-sales-and-the-us-saudi-relationship.html

The administration of President Joe Biden is pausing weapons sales to Gulf allies Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates as part of a broader review of multibillion-dollar arms agreements made under the Trump administration.

In the past, lethal drones and the flagship F-35 joint strike fighter jet were off the table for Arab allies in the Middle East because of Washington’s commitment to maintaining Israel’s advantageous qualitative military edge, or QME, in the region — a policy that has been codified in U.S. law for decades. But since the signing of the Abraham Accords in August normalizing relations between the UAE and Israel, acquiring these systems became a real possibility for the Emiratis. 

This is still not the case with Saudi Arabia, which has not normalized relations with Israel, but its pending purchase in the broader arms deal includes billions of dollars’ worth of precision-guided munitions. [Halted by Biden. See above]

Analysts interviewed by CNBC note that while Washington’s relationship with the UAE isn’t likely to see significant changes, the one with the Saudis probably will.

The relationship with the kingdom during former President Donald Trump’s tenure has been described by many observers as “permissive.” The White House did not pursue penalties against Riyadh for its role, as reported by U.S. intelligence agencies, in the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi [Sanctions and visa restrictions imposed by Biden] October 2018. It also made little mention of its widely reported human rights abuses, which include jailing and allegedly torturing several female Saudi activists.

When a bipartisan coalition of lawmakers voted to end U.S. support for the Saudi-led war in Yemen, Trump vetoed them. [Biden ends support for Saudi-led war in Yemen]

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« Reply #8257 on: March 01, 2021, 03:21:38 pm »

A slap on the wrist. Nothing's changed. Salman killed an american journalist then dismembered his body while his fiance waited outside the Saudi embassy for him to return with a marriage certificate.  Psaki for Biden said this is what diplomacy looks like.  Biden's no different than Trump, just smoother.

So you should be pleased then. At the time it happened, you said something about MBS along the lines of, "...he's our thug", whereas I remember suggesting that maybe you were his "bitch" instead. I don't think there are many people in the world who would suggest that American foreign policy is based on human decency and ethics, or even a love or respect for democracy either. If those ideals and your self-interest coincide, well cool, but if they don't, it's not as if the American voter cares much. Internationally, self-interest is the rule, I'd say, for just about everyone by to some degree, the USA is not unique in that, just the one with the biggest footprint at the moment.  I know you're trying to make this into a "let's pick on Biden moment" but American foreign policy has been what it has been for many decades. The only difference under Trump might have been his pursuit of his own business interests as part of the complicated mix.
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« Reply #8258 on: March 01, 2021, 03:25:08 pm »

Since you linked to a CNBC report, let's see what the article you linked to actually says...
He didn't read (or understand) the CNBC report he provided, so it's unlikely he will read (or understand) what you correctly pasted from the same article.
He is lost. The only one who doesn't recognize this, is Mr Klein.
His reply proving this is soon to follow.
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« Reply #8259 on: March 01, 2021, 03:32:04 pm »

And in additional news from CNBC...

U.S. says Saudi crown prince approved Khashoggi killing, imposes visa restrictions on 76 Saudis

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/26/us-intelligence-concludes-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-approved-killing-of-journalist-jamal-khashoggi

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman approved an operation to capture or kill journalist Jamal Khashoggi in 2018, according to a U.S. intelligence report that could further strain U.S.-Saudi relations as the White House reassesses ties with Riyadh.

The report by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, released Friday, cited the crown prince’s control of decision-making in Saudi Arabia as well as the involvement of a key advisor and members of the prince’s protective detail in the operation that killed Khashoggi, a critic of the royal family.

https://www.scribd.com/document/Director of National Intelligence Assessment-Saudi-Gov-Role-in-JK-Death

The CIA-led assessment, which until now had been classified, comes as President Joe Biden aims to reshape the U.S. relationship with Saudi Arabia after years in which the Trump administration ignored the kingdom’s human rights abuses despite condemnation in Congress and at the United Nations.

The Trump administration had refused to provide a report to Congress in 2019 on who was responsible for Khashoggi’s death. Lawmakers had requested the report under the Magnitsky Act, which would have required sanctions against those responsible for the killing.

In a diplomatic rebuke to the crown prince, the White House made clear this week that Biden does not view the 35-year-old bin Salman as his counterpart and will instead conduct relations through his aging father, King Salman. Bin Salman has been the public face of the kingdom since becoming crown prince in 2017.

The Trump administration conducted relations through the crown prince, who maintained close personal ties with members of the Trump family, particularly former President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner.

Trump sought to cast doubt publicly about the crown prince’s involvement in Khashoggi’s death, even after multiple outlets reported that the CIA concluded bin Salman himself ordered the journalist’s killing. Trump said the CIA had “nothing definitive” while asserting that the oil-rich kingdom would remain a “steadfast partner”of the U.S.

“It could very well be that the Crown Prince had knowledge of this tragic event – maybe he did and maybe he didn’t!” Trump said less than two months after Khashoggi’s death. Trump’s conciliatory stance contrasted sharply with outrage from members of Congress and the media over the killing of Khashoggi.

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