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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7280 on: February 17, 2021, 11:10:51 am »

I had that suspicion. 
Your suspicion is justified based on history. Look at how he mangled up the article on windmills he posted this morning. And what about :
The democrats will become undemocratic and tell the Puerto Ricans they're going to become a state and make up some excuse. Right now they don't pay federal income taxes there, only 4% PR tax. So most would like that to continue.  Of course, that ends if they become a state.  They'll have to pay federal taxes like the rest of us suckers.
And yet we've been told, another false narrative:
95% of my facts are right, I support them almost every time with links to articles or research, much more than you or anyone else.
Your suspicion is justified!
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7281 on: February 17, 2021, 11:34:42 am »

Worldometer is reporting a half million US Covid deaths as of this morning. The good news is that the 7-day moving average is trending down.
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« Reply #7282 on: February 17, 2021, 11:49:42 am »

It would seem global warming should then be good for Texas in the future as there would be fewer ice storms.
Anyone here want to take on the brutal, agonizing task of explaining to Alan how totally absurd his statement is. That so called global warming, actually climate change, is the cause of this “ice storm”.
Thanks, good luck.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7283 on: February 17, 2021, 11:51:26 am »



Idiots like Tucker Carlson say the current problem is that the windmills are frozen. That is because the windmill operators did not invest in windmill heaters like they do in places like Denmark. So they saved some money on windmill heaters, and are screwed when it gets really cold. Fortunately, it doesn't get really cold that often. A bigger problem is that they can't generate electricity from natural gas, which supplies 40% of the electricity, because the natural gas is frozen at the rig and in the pipelines. Maybe to save money they didn't install heaters or insulation or whatever. This is no different than you and your backup generator. You don't want to spend the money for something you are going to rarely use. Unfortunately, there are not enough chalets in the Poconos to accommodate all the residents of Texas without electricity. And unlike Texas, they would probably have to wear masks.

Precisely illustrating a key failure point of the "free market" - it's ultimately reactionary, and completely sucks at preparing for unusual events (especially when it's squeezing every last penny out on "just in time"models of efficiency).  It's why we can't let the "free market" wholly guide forward thinking energy policy.  The "free market" has now "successfully" identified a weakness in the Texas energy grid. Thanks - that was useful!! :o
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7284 on: February 17, 2021, 12:00:07 pm »

I have no problem with Puerto Rico becoming a state.  I like Puerto Ricans.

Well of course you like Puerto Ricans. You wouldn't dislike an entire group of people based on their ethnicity. So, that goes without saying.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7285 on: February 17, 2021, 12:08:28 pm »

Ok, thanks for clarifying that.  So then they must get Social Security and Medicare?  But for a rich person who could live there, even a not-so-rich person, not having to pay income and capital gains taxes are a huge boost to income.  That could pay for a lot of Margaritas. :)

However, if you move there, you give up your right to vote in federal elections. You may also need to occasionally duck rolls of paper towels being thrown by a sociopath.
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« Reply #7286 on: February 17, 2021, 12:19:37 pm »

However, if you move there, you give up your right to vote in federal elections. You may also need to occasionally duck rolls of paper towels being thrown by a sociopath.

And who knows, if the Trumpster had behaved like a decent human being during that post-hurricane mess, let alone be Presidential, he might have convinced many Puerto Ricans to vote Republican and their possible statehood wouldn't be so problematic to some. Instead, he chose to "punish" them for not having voted Republican. Says something when someone chooses confrontation even when the opposite might do them more good. Bad enough being incompetent, but far worse to also be stupid.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7287 on: February 17, 2021, 12:21:01 pm »

However, if you move there, you give up your right to vote in federal elections.

Alan lives in New Jersey so his votes for Republicans don't really count anyway. If he moved to Puerto Rico, he wouldn't waste time going to the polls to waste his vote, and he could still complain about the Democrats being a bunch of socialists and worse. Sounds like the best of both worlds.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7288 on: February 17, 2021, 12:25:23 pm »

I hear if you really want to live somewhere with no taxes and a warm climate, Somalia is worthy of consideration. Also, virtually no government interference in your affairs!
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« Reply #7289 on: February 17, 2021, 12:38:19 pm »

Sort of, sort of not.  There are definitely points that can be made about how deregulation has exacerbated the problem, but it goes much deeper than that, up to and including the simple fact that this is a very rare event that probably couldn't have been preplanned effectively for without an investment that would have *seemed* to have been massively cost-inefficient.

SO.. now the righties started by screaming about how "green" energy (i.e. windpower) was the cause of all this, then when it was pointed out that a larger percentage of the current loss is coming form fossil fuel outages they started making excuses, and the lefties started harping on deregulation, when in reality, it's some of both.

Well they managed OK in El Paso, which is part of a network and not the independent racket that supplies the rest of Texas.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7290 on: February 17, 2021, 12:40:14 pm »

I hear if you really want to live somewhere with no taxes and a warm climate, Somalia is worthy of consideration. Also, virtually no government interference in your affairs!

A libertarian paradise !
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« Reply #7291 on: February 17, 2021, 12:43:32 pm »

It seems Texas windmills are freezing up due to the cold adding to the shortage in electricity.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/business/texas-power-energy-nightmare/index.html

Water lines to electrical power plants that use nuclear, coal, and natural gas have also frozen taking some of those offline. Texas relies on natural gas for the largest share of electrical power. Frozen natural gas wells, pipes, and controls have taken some gas fired plants offline as well.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7292 on: February 17, 2021, 12:48:43 pm »

You're the first person I've heard argue that removal from office is not the main purpose of impeachment.

Never heard of her.

Your intellectual curiosity needs to get out more often.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7293 on: February 17, 2021, 01:00:46 pm »

What get me is how a first-term 28-year-old congresswoman gets all this attention.  If she was a conservative, you wouldn't even hear her name.  The press would't know she existed.  Maybe it's because she predicts the end of the world in twelve years.

I would tell you why AOC gets so much media attention, but I would be accused of saying something untoward.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7294 on: February 17, 2021, 01:01:12 pm »

Well they managed OK in El Paso, which is part of a network and not the independent racket that supplies the rest of Texas.

True, but the underlying factor there is that the grid they ARE on was prepared for a severe cold weather event due to pervious experience, not due to any inherent reg/dereg issue.

Look, I think that deregulating/privatizing essentials like power and worse, *water* for fucks sake, is a stupid, stupid thing to do. My only point is that I doubt that a highly regulated energy grid here in South TX would have prepared for this either.
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7295 on: February 17, 2021, 01:12:26 pm »

Precisely illustrating a key failure point of the "free market" - it's ultimately reactionary, and completely sucks at preparing for unusual events (especially when it's squeezing every last penny out on "just in time"models of efficiency).  It's why we can't let the "free market" wholly guide forward thinking energy policy.  The "free market" has now "successfully" identified a weakness in the Texas energy grid. Thanks - that was useful!! :o

I think that the free market does pretty well overall, although some things clearly need to be more heavily regulated. But: this current catastrophe was last replicated (at this level) and (as far as I've been able to tell) in 1899. So, even if you were a regulator, how much tax money would you be willing to spend to protect against a 110-year event that lasts for a week?
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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7296 on: February 17, 2021, 01:14:06 pm »

Water lines to electrical power plants that use nuclear, coal, and natural gas have also frozen taking some of those offline. Texas relies on natural gas for the largest share of electrical power. Frozen natural gas wells, pipes, and controls have taken some gas fired plants offline as well.

Good article in the NY Times about this, it was on the front page of our local paper too. Since it's behind a firewall online, I'll simply paste a few of the useful facts for some one here to ignore (seems I'm on that list again, badge of honor since providing the following data points would be ignored or misunderstood):

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An​a​lysts have be​gun to iden​tify key fac​tors be​hind the grid fail​ures in Texas. Record-break​ing cold weather spurred res​i​dents to crank up their elec​tric heaters and pushed power de​mand beyond the worst case sce​nar​ios that grid op​er​a​tors had planned for. At the same time, a large frac​tion of the state’s gas-fired power plants were knocked off line amid icy con​di​tions, with some plants suf​fer​ing fuel short​ages as nat​u​ral gas de​mand spiked. Many of Texas’ wind tur​bines also froze and stopped work​ing.
We know why they froze and like gas fired plants, the issue was this unexpected cold and insufficient handling for this event.

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Elec​tric grids can be engi​neered to han​dle a wide range of se​vere con​di​tions — as long as grid op​er​a​tors can re​li​ably pre​dict the dan​gers ahead. But as cli​mate change
ac​celerates, many elec​tric grids will face ex​treme weather events that go be​- yond the his​tor​i​cal con​di​tions those grids were de​signed for, putting them at risk of cat​a​strophic fail​ure
The grid operations didn't.

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Mea​sures that could help make elec​tric grids more robust — such as for​ti​fy​ing power plants against ex​treme weather or in​stalling more backup power sources — could prove ex​pesive. But as Texas shows, black​outs can be ex​tremely costly, too. And, ex​perts said, un​less grid plan​ners start plan​ning for in​creas​ingly wild and un​pre​dictable cli​mate con​di​tions, grid fail​ures will hap​pen again and again.


This will happen again!

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Texas’ main elec​tric grid, which largely op​er​ates in​de​pen​dently from the rest of the coun​try, has been built with the state’s most com​mon weather ex​tremes in mind: soar​ing sum​mer tem​per​a​tures...

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Wind tur​bines can be equipped with heaters and other de​vices so that they can op​er​ate in icy con​di​tions — as is of​ten done in the up​per Mid​- west, where cold weather is more com​mon. Gas plants can be built to store oil on-site and switch over to burn​ing the fuel if needed, as is of​- ten done in the North​east, where nat​u​ral gas short​ages are com​mon

Now maybe Alan can tell us what can be done to stop wind turbines from causing cancer as he was told by Trump.  :P

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But some cli​mate sci​en​tists have also sug​gested that global warm​ing could, para​dox​i​cally, bring more un​usu​ally fierce win​ter storms. Some re​search in​di​cates that Arc​tic warm​ing is weak​en​ing the jet stream, the high-level air cur​rent that cir​cles the north​ern lat​i​tudes and usu​ally holds back the frigid polar vor​tex. This can al​low cold air to pe​ri​od​i​cally es​cape to the South, re​sult​ing in episodes of bit​ter cold in places that rarely get nipped by frost.

More evidence that's Alan's idea of global warming is 'good' for Texas is absurd.
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« Reply #7297 on: February 17, 2021, 01:17:49 pm »

I see how you may have interpreted it that way so I have deleted my comment. My comment was directed at Trump.
Why do discussions of AOC and Puerto Ricans cause you to accuse Trump of being a racist? 

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« Reply #7298 on: February 17, 2021, 01:19:21 pm »

This seems like an apt metaphor. At least I hope so. Others have a different opinion.

Former Trump casino where stars played goes out with a bang

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/17/trump-casino-imploded-469291

"A spot on the Atlantic City Boardwalk where movie stars, athletes and rock stars used to party — and a future president honed his instincts for bravado and hype — was reduced to a smoking pile of rubble on Wednesday."
The articles I read said the building was falling apart. Blocks were falling off the side of the building. No wonder Trump didn't want to pay his contractors. Did he sue them?

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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7299 on: February 17, 2021, 01:23:02 pm »

Why do discussions of AOC and Puerto Ricans cause you to accuse Trump of being a racist?
So now you're implying I'm a racist.  What's wrong with you?
This from the fellow who accused others here of calling him a liar.
He has never been able to prove anyone has done so FWIW.
Now he feels he's being called a racist.
Trump a racist; not at all a stretch.
That too has never happened.
Someone who assumes, speculates and posts a lot of false writings seems to have guilty conscience.
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