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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #7260 on: February 17, 2021, 09:40:53 am »

This just show how much you dont actually pay attention to your side.  AOC is open about being a socialist, and would implement it if she had the chance, as are other members of the squad. 
What get me is how a first-term 28-year-old congresswoman gets all this attention.  If she was a conservative, you wouldn't even hear her name.  The press would't know she existed.  Maybe it's because she predicts the end of the world in twelve years.

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« Reply #7261 on: February 17, 2021, 09:46:03 am »

By the way, how is TX doing?

Not well.
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« Reply #7262 on: February 17, 2021, 09:48:22 am »

Damn, no federal taxes.  Is this really true? 
Yes.  PR pays no federal taxes.  They have a 4% "state" tax.  That's it.  No federal income tax, no capital gains tax, etc. Years ago, because of favorable tax laws, the pharmaceutical industry basically moved to PR.  Then for some reason, they lost that protection, and the industry left.  Fools. 

Why would anyone vote to pay taxes, pay for defense, etc?  On the other hand, I don't know if PR's get Social Security and Medicare.  So they may be losing benefits on that side of the equation. But today, if you could work from home, just imagine moving from cold Minnesota and work by sitting on a beach in Puerto Rico sipping Margaritas and getting paid tax-free income?  Sweet. 

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« Reply #7263 on: February 17, 2021, 09:48:49 am »

What get me is how a first-term 28-year-old congresswoman gets all this attention.  If she was a conservative, you wouldn't even hear her name.  The press would't know she existed.  Maybe it's because she predicts the end of the world in twelve years.

Like Marjorie Taylor Greene, you mean ?
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« Reply #7264 on: February 17, 2021, 09:55:59 am »

It's not speculation.  Democrats are talking about making Washington and PR states.  Google it.

I have no problem if Puerto Ricans vote to become a state.  They have in the past but there wasn't a clear-cut vote.  I suppose with a Democratic-controlled Congress, it will become more "clear-cut" so they can now justify making them a state.  All those Americans who moved there to avoid federal taxes will again have to pay them.  Well, at least they have nice beaches. Warmer than Canada.

Apparently the right wing is abandoning majority vote. The new standard is "clear-cut". Turns out the vote for Biden for president and the vote for Puerto Rician statehood were similar in 2020. Both won majorities but they were not clear cut. That's all that Trump meant when he claimed massive voter fraud: the vote was not clear cut. In cases where the vote is not clear cut, the incumbent remains in power, or in the case of Puerto Rico, the territory remains a territory.
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« Reply #7265 on: February 17, 2021, 09:58:14 am »

It's not true. No income tax but they pay all other federal taxes such as payroll and Medicare.
Ok, thanks for clarifying that.  So then they must get Social Security and Medicare?  But for a rich person who could live there, even a not-so-rich person, not having to pay income and capital gains taxes are a huge boost to income.  That could pay for a lot of Margaritas. :)

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« Reply #7266 on: February 17, 2021, 09:59:42 am »

TV says millions without power. Tucker Carlson says it is because the windmills are frozen, so now conservatives have lit their hair on fire about the evils of renewable energy. Lighting your hair on fire keeps you warm. It is a bit of a conundrum though. If you light your hair on fire, you can't go near fossil fuels, so conservatives have sort of painted themselves into a corner.
Paint burns.  They could use that instead.

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« Reply #7267 on: February 17, 2021, 10:00:53 am »

Like Marjorie Taylor Greene, you mean ?
Never heard of her.

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« Reply #7268 on: February 17, 2021, 10:03:47 am »

Apparently the right wing is abandoning majority vote. The new standard is "clear-cut". Turns out the vote for Biden for president and the vote for Puerto Rician statehood were similar in 2020. Both won majorities but they were not clear cut. That's all that Trump meant when he claimed massive voter fraud: the vote was not clear cut. In cases where the vote is not clear cut, the incumbent remains in power, or in the case of Puerto Rico, the territory remains a territory.
I have no problem with Puerto Rico becoming a state.  I like Puerto Ricans.  I'm from NYC and the Bronx where there are a lot of them.  AOC is one.  She's kinda cute even if her politics are weird.  I took Spanish in school.  I'm ready, already.  :)

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« Reply #7269 on: February 17, 2021, 10:18:23 am »

I think I have heard this before from someone else. No, that was about blacks. Never mind.
So now you're implying I'm a racist.  What's wrong with you?

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« Reply #7270 on: February 17, 2021, 10:25:12 am »

Not well.
When we lost power here in New Jersey for four days last year, I investigated installing a 24kw natural gas-powered emergency generator to power most of the house.  They're a lot of money, between $9K and $11K.  My wife wants it.  Me? I'd rather pack a bag and drive to Pennsylvania and check-in at some hotel or rent some Chalet in the Poconos.  Seems cheaper to me and more fun.  She may win though.  :)

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« Reply #7271 on: February 17, 2021, 10:31:16 am »

It seems Texas windmills are freezing up due to the cold adding to the shortage in electricity.  It would seem global warming should then be good for Texas in the future as there would be fewer ice storms.  This is all very confusing. 
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/business/texas-power-energy-nightmare/index.html

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« Reply #7272 on: February 17, 2021, 10:34:29 am »

So now you're implying I'm a racist.  What's wrong with you?

I see how you may have interpreted it that way so I have deleted my comment. My comment was directed at Trump.
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« Reply #7273 on: February 17, 2021, 10:42:05 am »

This seems like an apt metaphor. At least I hope so. Others have a different opinion.

Former Trump casino where stars played goes out with a bang

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/17/trump-casino-imploded-469291

"A spot on the Atlantic City Boardwalk where movie stars, athletes and rock stars used to party — and a future president honed his instincts for bravado and hype — was reduced to a smoking pile of rubble on Wednesday."
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« Reply #7274 on: February 17, 2021, 10:42:36 am »

It seems Texas windmills are freezing up due to the cold adding to the shortage in electricity.  It would seem global warming should then be good for Texas in the future as there would be fewer ice storms.  This is all very confusing. 
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/business/texas-power-energy-nightmare/index.html

But but but ... the power grid in Texas is deregulated - another failure of the free market, then?
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« Reply #7275 on: February 17, 2021, 11:02:24 am »

But but but ... the power grid in Texas is deregulated - another failure of the free market, then?

Sort of, sort of not.  There are definitely points that can be made about how deregulation has exacerbated the problem, but it goes much deeper than that, up to and including the simple fact that this is a very rare event that probably couldn't have been preplanned effectively for without an investment that would have *seemed* to have been massively cost-inefficient.

SO.. now the righties started by screaming about how "green" energy (i.e. windpower) was the cause of all this, then when it was pointed out that a larger percentage of the current loss is coming form fossil fuel outages they started making excuses, and the lefties started harping on deregulation, when in reality, it's some of both.
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« Reply #7276 on: February 17, 2021, 11:04:15 am »

It seems Texas windmills are freezing up due to the cold adding to the shortage in electricity.  It would seem global warming should then be good for Texas in the future as there would be fewer ice storms.  This is all very confusing. 
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/business/texas-power-energy-nightmare/index.html
The key admission above is This is all very confusing.
What we see is more of a brain freeze than an issue with windmills per se.
This is again, Alan not reading or understanding the outside reference HE provided. Copy and paste:
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At the same time, natural gas, coal, wind and nuclear facilities in Texas have been knocked offline by the unthinkably low temperatures.
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It's not just wind power
Even though other places with colder weather (like Iowa and Denmark) rely on wind for even larger shares of power, experts said the turbines in Texas were not winterized for the unexpected freeze. Cold weather protection like antifreeze and heating elements within the turbine blades and components are not commonly used in Texas.
Next we'll hear from the keyboard of misunderstanding and thus information that the "un-winterized windmills, placed there by Democrats, were responsible for XX,XXX number of Covid-19 deaths while forcing Puerto Rico to now pay federal taxes". IOW, more rubbish that needs fact checking (again).

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« Reply #7277 on: February 17, 2021, 11:05:05 am »

Like Marjorie Taylor Greene, you mean ?

Who?    ;)
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« Reply #7278 on: February 17, 2021, 11:06:12 am »

It's not true. No income tax but they pay all other federal taxes such as payroll and Medicare.

I had that suspicion. 

FICA bites me in the ass every year.  Federal income tax, not so much. 
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« Reply #7279 on: February 17, 2021, 11:08:19 am »

It seems Texas windmills are freezing up due to the cold adding to the shortage in electricity.  It would seem global warming should then be good for Texas in the future as there would be fewer ice storms.  This is all very confusing. 
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/16/business/texas-power-energy-nightmare/index.html

It should not be confusing. Texas is hot in the summer, so they need to have a robust electricity grid to power all those air conditioners running full blast all the time. In the face of global warming, Texas will need to upgrade its grid to handle more and bigger air conditioners running more days in the year.

Idiots like Tucker Carlson say the current problem is that the windmills are frozen. That is because the windmill operators did not invest in windmill heaters like they do in places like Denmark. So they saved some money on windmill heaters, and are screwed when it gets really cold. Fortunately, it doesn't get really cold that often. A bigger problem is that they can't generate electricity from natural gas, which supplies 40% of the electricity, because the natural gas is frozen at the rig and in the pipelines. Maybe to save money they didn't install heaters or insulation or whatever. What about nuclear? Well, I read somewhere in the past day or two that they can't run nuclear power plants because they need water for cooling and it is all frozen. Seems they elected to skimp on the heaters there too. Not paying for all these heaters and insulation and whatever has the benefit of lower electricity prices most of the time. The trade off is that when it gets really cold nothing works and you are going to freeze your ass off. This is no different than you and your backup generator. You don't want to spend the money for something you are going to rarely use. Unfortunately, there are not enough chalets in the Poconos to accommodate all the residents of Texas without electricity. Besides, unlike Texas, they would probably have to wear masks, and that's a non-starter.

My electricity goes off practically every time there is a storm. The branches fall off the trees and take down the power lines. The tree trimmer guys have quite a racket going on. They go around all the time trimming off the branches so they won't take down the power lines. They figured out that the branches grow back so it is lifetime employment. I don't have a backup generator. My neighbor does. So when the electricity goes out, we go over to our neighbors to drink coffee and watch TV and stuff. You might want to tell your wife that if you install a backup generator then all the neighbors are going to come over to your house every time the power goes out. I may have just saved you $10,000 with that little piece of advice.
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