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Re: Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa
« Reply #3340 on: December 02, 2020, 07:37:49 pm »

What Trump meant was he was being spied up, surveilled illegally.  And that turned out to be the truth

Completely false.
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« Reply #3341 on: December 02, 2020, 07:39:06 pm »

Unfortunately, the internet has really damaged the ability of many to appreciate, or to even recognize, professional journalism and the associated standards and ethics. Unless they're being fed exactly what they want to hear and find emotionally satisfying, many prefer to get their "news" from the snake pit of facebook and twitter feeds or some online rubbish of blogs and "news" sites that suit their preexisting beliefs, feelings, and prejudices.

Papers like the Times, Journal, and Post have earned their reputations for excellent journalism and editing thru years of hard work. But of course their reporters and editors are human beings and make occasional errors, publish corrections, or fall short of the highest standards which ideological fanatics will seize upon to dismiss everything that they publish. Sigh.
The problem with the NY Times is that most of its writers are social liberal New York types.;  So when they write, the storyline favors their beliefs.  If you really want to know just how biased it is, read the email responses to articles they publish.  I do that regularly.  95% are anti-Trump.  Those are their readers.  It is those people they write for  They publish to keep their readers, mainly on-line who are making them four times what they use to make before the internet.  I'm not talking about their Op-Ed editorial writers and section.  Their regular news section.  The headlines and key points attacked trump consistently.  They present liberal ideas common in NYC far from flyover country in miles and content.  Unfortunately, many newspapers around the world use NYT biased stories as bylines and just repeat the news because they don't have the staff to live and report on Washington DC and elsewhere.  WaPo is worse.  At least the Times tries to tell itself to be more balanced.  WaPo has lost that battle a long time ago and lets their bias out unimpeded.  And their readers respond with vile posts to their articles, worse often than here.   

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« Reply #3342 on: December 02, 2020, 07:44:56 pm »

It's not just the lying about the latest election...it's about the constant lies Trump manufactured and have been proven by fact checks these last 4 years. It's about his constant childish name calling. It's about his non action on the black lives matter movement. It's Trump's out of control presidential debate. And so on.

Tell me Alan, how would you feel if your grandchildren's elementary school teacher acted like Trump?
You're still fighting the election.  It's over. Now it's our turn.

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« Reply #3343 on: December 02, 2020, 07:46:44 pm »

Counted by Democrats and anti-Trumpers.  How many lies did the press and the Democrats tell about Trump and Russian collusion over and over again?  How many times did they lie when they called him a traitor? Of course, the press couldn't be bothered with counting those. But we're fighting the election again.  This has all been politics at its worse for my country.

Whatabout the press and whatabout the Democrats and whatabout the anti-Trumpers.  No comment about Trump's lies, which is what we were discussing.
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« Reply #3344 on: December 02, 2020, 07:50:18 pm »

You're still fighting the election.  It's over. Now it's our turn.

Nothing to do with the election...everything to do with the damage Chetos has done during his 4 year stint...especially towards young very influential kids that look up to people like presidents as heroes. Alan, do you feel good about your grandchildren looking towards Trump as a hero...someone they would like to emulate when they grow up?

Do you want your grandchildren to lie whenever it can benefit them? Do you want your grandchildren to call people all sorts of derogatory names. Do you want your grandchildren to cheat without any shame?
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« Reply #3345 on: December 02, 2020, 07:52:33 pm »

Whatabout the press and whatabout the Democrats and whatabout the anti-Trumpers.
Whatabout anyone outside his cult.
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« Reply #3346 on: December 02, 2020, 07:52:44 pm »

I agree.  However, I've been trying to find it on Google where Flynn enticed an armed uprising.  Do you have a link?  I'd like to read exactly what he said.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=136697.msg1199030#msg1199030

He gave an endorsement and promotion of a petition. I posted it today here with the links to both.
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« Reply #3347 on: December 02, 2020, 07:57:47 pm »

You're still fighting the election.  It's over. Now it's our turn.

Sorry. The election is not over. Trump posted a 45 minute talk about massive voter fraud on Facebook today. His lawsuits in the battlegrounds states are still on-going. We are going to be talking about this for a while. You, of course, can talk about whatever you want to talk about.
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« Reply #3348 on: December 02, 2020, 08:01:30 pm »

And he still has an idiot's dream team of lawyers filing in courts while trying to get state legislatures to ignore the voters and their choice in the election and just declare Trump the winner. Democracy be damned.
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« Reply #3349 on: December 02, 2020, 08:07:10 pm »

This has all been politics at its worse [worst] for my country.

Ever since Trump came down the escalator to announce his candidacy.
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« Reply #3350 on: December 02, 2020, 08:11:40 pm »

.... crazy claims that Biden is a socialist. And if not him his Vice President...

Crazy? What do you know about socialism to claim that?

What’s crazy is that a half of America is voting for socialism, voting for a party that hates America, spits on and burns its flag, burns its cities down, murders small business owners protecting their property from professional looters and rioters, murders cops and wants to abolish police, abolish prisons, abolish private property, abolish rent, abolish mortgage, abolish 1st amendment, abolish 2nd amendment, abolish ICE, to open borders for weaponized brownization, etc., etc.

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« Reply #3351 on: December 02, 2020, 08:17:47 pm »

What’s crazy is that a half of America is voting for socialism, voting for a party that hates America, spits on and burns its flag, burns its cities down, murders small business owners protecting their property from professional looters and rioters, murders cops and wants to abolish police, abolish prisons, abolish private property, abolish rent, abolish mortgage, abolish 1st amendment, abolish 2nd amendment, abolish ICE, to open borders for weaponized brownization, etc., etc.

Pure Baloney

to open borders for weaponized brownization

Garbage in word form.
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« Reply #3352 on: December 02, 2020, 08:24:39 pm »

...  Do you want your grandchildren to call people all sorts of derogatory names...

That’s exactly where name-calling originated - schoolyards.

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« Reply #3353 on: December 02, 2020, 08:26:29 pm »

Crazy? What do you know about socialism to claim that?

What’s crazy is that a half of America is voting for socialism, voting for a party that hates America, spits on and burns its flag, burns its cities down, murders small business owners protecting their property from professional looters and rioters, murders cops and wants to abolish police, abolish prisons, abolish private property, abolish rent, abolish mortgage, abolish 1st amendment, abolish 2nd amendment, abolish ICE, to open borders for weaponized brownization, etc., etc.

So Slobo, I guess we can just sit back and watch this BS happen over the next 4 years...otherwise all you are doing is regurgitating garbage that you read about on the net...and blindly believe it all. One word, Sheeple.
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« Reply #3354 on: December 02, 2020, 08:26:47 pm »

Nothing to do with the election...everything to do with the damage Chetos has done during his 4 year stint...especially towards young very influential kids that look up to people like presidents as heroes. Alan, do you feel good about your grandchildren looking towards Trump as a hero...someone they would like to emulate when they grow up?

Do you want your grandchildren to lie whenever it can benefit them? Do you want your grandchildren to call people all sorts of derogatory names. Do you want your grandchildren to cheat without any shame?
No I don't like a lot of his personality. I thought Hillary's back in 2016 was pretty bad too. But like everyone else I had to make a choice for president.  I thought Biden was a lot nicer than Hillary.  But I'm voting for president of the United States, not a preacher.  I wanted someone whose policies I could support, not a teacher who would be teaching my kids.  I wanted a bastard who would defend American interests in a tough world.  And Trump is tough and protective of American interests.  That outweighed his peccadillos. 

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« Reply #3355 on: December 02, 2020, 08:27:46 pm »

That’s exactly where name-calling originated - schoolyards.

And I would have thought the president of the great USA could lift himself out of the schoolyards and act like an adult.
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« Reply #3356 on: December 02, 2020, 08:27:58 pm »

Pure Baloney

Garbage in word form.

+1; not so much garbage as errant racism.

One of the weird things about "socialism" is I don't think the people arguing about it on left and right knows what it means. In a socialist country, the government owns the means of production. You know, like GM, Exxon, Microsoft, Google, etc. Owns them. As in the USSR, China, North Korea. In AOC theory, socialism doesn't haveto be totalitarian, as in the USSR, China, North Korea, but it doesn't seem to work otherwise. And, it most real socialist countries, it has usually proven expedient to get rid of a portion of the population that disagrees with the system. What most people seem to mean by socialism is actually "social democracy," in which many life-supporting activities are left to governments, like universal medical care, strong Social Security programs, good welfare and minimum wages, and so on. That requires higher taxes, which many people hate. I understand that, since I pay about 50% of my income in taxes now, and would be paying more than that if I lived in California and a few other states. But, a fair high tax rate doesn't mean many people can't be rich; just not as obscenely rich as they are now. Seems to work in Scandinavia, which actually seems to have quite a few rich people. 
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« Reply #3357 on: December 02, 2020, 08:29:09 pm »

I wanted a bastard

You got that... and so much more.
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« Reply #3358 on: December 02, 2020, 08:30:09 pm »

No I don't like a lot of his personality. I thought Hillary's back in 2016 was pretty bad too. But like everyone else I had to make a choice for president.  I thought Biden was a lot nicer than Hillary.  But I'm voting for president of the United States, not a preacher.  I wanted someone whose policies I could support, not a teacher who would be teaching my kids.  I wanted a bastard who would defend American interests in a tough world.  And Trump is tough and protective of American interests.  That outweighed his peccadillos.

And how did Trump do? China, economy on the rise ready to take over as the world's leader. North Korea...testing new long range weapons. Russia...Trump sitting on Putin's lap.
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« Reply #3359 on: December 02, 2020, 08:36:34 pm »

Plus... a country much more deeply divided, paranoid, and accepting of bizarre conspiracy theories—some promoted or started by the President directly. Not to mention, the partially successful undermining of democracy to an extent our enemies could only dream about.
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