Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[JoeKitchen]

Trump respecting science is a bad joke, one only his minions would believe.
Right now the Covid pandemic is at its worst. The midwest at least is a shitshow, the hospitals are overstretched and most importantly, people are on the edge.
Instead on focusing on dealing with this all we’ll hear is how many dead people voted for Biden instead of him.

Unlike you, who only uses a one point analysis, the president needs to take into account several different points, like the economy.  Sorry, and thankfully for the country, you did not get your full wish list, since it would have collapsed the economy. 

So, yes, Trump did respect science, but also needed to take into account economics as well. 

[Alan Klein]

It was only a matter of time.

Law Firm Stops Representing Trump Campaign in Pennsylvania Suit

"Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, the law firm leading the Trump campaign’s efforts to cast doubt on the presidential election results in Pennsylvania, abruptly withdrew from a federal lawsuit that it filed days earlier on behalf of President Trump."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/business/porter-wright-trump-pennsylvania.html

It is a NYT article. Perhaps you have a free article left so you can read it, if you are interested.

So, do you think that they pulled out because they feared losing their Democrat party clients or because of some internal legal dispute, or both?  Maybe they were afraid of not getting paid.  The article doesn;t say why. 

[JoeKitchen]

Except he did not.  Trump signed more executive orders per year than Obama, same for George W Bush and Ronald Reagan.  The only recent president to sign less executive orders than Obama was Bill Clinton.  You should check your facts first.

Yes, you're right.  I just checked. 

Thankfully though he did not pull an FDR, signing 3728. 

[JoeKitchen]

So, do you think that they pulled out because they feared losing their Democrat party clients or because of some internal legal dispute, or both?  Maybe they were afraid of not getting paid.  The article doesn;t say why.

The grifters at the Lincoln Project, who claim to still be republicans yet have worked to try and get every republican to lose their election this year, did a $50K ad campaign against that law firm specifically. 

Not against the case or the merits of the process, but actually against the firm. 

Thankfully these neo-con war mongering loser friends of Cheney are now banished from a republican party that no longer supports their endless wars and other bull shit. 

[Alan Klein]

Unlike you, who only uses a one point analysis, the president needs to take into account several different points, like the economy.  Sorry, and thankfully for the country, you did not get your full wish list, since it would have collapsed the economy. 

So, yes, Trump did respect science, but also needed to take into account economics as well. 

Of course you're right.   Governors have done the same.  In New Jersey, our governor just shut down restaurants after 10pm keeping them open earlier, another confusing edict. What a joke. Maybe I don't need a mask before 10pm too.  European leaders are faced with the same issue.  How to stop Covid without starving their people?  Biden will be faced with the same issue.  Hopefully the vaccine will save his presidency and the rest of us.  I suspect the markets will tank in 2021 and if still struggling in two years, the Democrats will lose the House and the Senate (if they win it in Georgia) in 2022 as everyone abandons him and wonders how they were fooled into voting for him in the first place. 

[Alan Klein]

The grifters at the Lincoln Project, who claim to still be republicans yet have worked to try and get every republican to lose their election this year, did a $50K ad campaign against that law firm specifically. 

Not against the case or the merits of the process, but actually against the firm. 

Thankfully these neo-con war mongering loser friends of Cheney are now banished from a republican party that no longer supports their endless wars and other bull shit. 

Of course the fake news press's article never mentioned that.  They went on about how internal disagreement about the legitimacy of the suit caused problems in a firm that traditionally took controversial cases regularly.  The truth is the were afraid of retribution.  That was my conclusion not even knowing about the Lincoln Project.  This reminds me of when the Communist Revolution in Russia either killed their adversaries or tried to destroy them through shame and economic loss.  No wonder the polls were so wrong and so many more people voted for Trump than anticipated.  Americans today are afraid to speak their mind as we always have before.  And this is from the same group who always complains about McCarthyism against the left.  Now they're practicing it with glee.

[armand]

Unlike you, who only uses a one point analysis, the president needs to take into account several different points, like the economy.  Sorry, and thankfully for the country, you did not get your full wish list, since it would have collapsed the economy. 

So, yes, Trump did respect science, but also needed to take into account economics as well.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I called you out on it multiple times, but you get over it astonishingly easy. You literally have no clue what my "whish list" was or is, yet you keep rambling on.


Trump's direction was clear as mud. I will never forgive him for 2 things:
- he knew it will be bad and yet he kept lying (even he admitted it, eventually) so the stocks wouldn't crash while him/his friends have enough time to sell whatever they need to sell, at the expense of screwing up the overall response
- making mask wearing and social distancing a political issue; and the idiots just bought it and many more lives were lost because of it, unnecessarily

But I already said all these. The cult personality is too strong for people like you to realize it. Carry on.

[JoeKitchen]

You have no idea what you are talking about. I called you out on it multiple times, but you get over it astonishingly easy. You literally have no clue what my "whish list" was or is, yet you keep rambling on.


Trump's direction was clear as mud. I will never forgive him for 2 things:
- he knew it will be bad and yet he kept lying (even he admitted it, eventually) so the stocks wouldn't crash while him/his friends have enough time to sell whatever they need to sell at the expense of screwing up the overall response
- making mask wearing and social distancing a political issue; and the idiots just bought it and many more lives were lost because of it, unnecessarily

But I already said all these. The cult personality is too strong for people like you to realize it. Carry on.

Your wish list was made obvious by how you write on the subject. 

But anyway, your first point is nothing but crazy left wing conspiracy theory.  Not surprised you would buy into it. 

On your second point, still no evidence masks worn by the general public who do not know how to wear them properly or wear clean mask do anything.  Second, he did push social distancing, but after the Dems repeatably ignored it for the BLM protests, how can you expect the other side to continue to follow it.  Even now, Dems allow their supporters to scoff at the lock downs and social distancing for Biden parties. 

Sorry, but if the politicians you support don't give a rat's ass about it when it comes to policing their side of the isle, dont expect me to care about them either.  If you have a problem with that, call up your representative and tell him/her to admonish Dem voters for partying this past weekend. 

[JoeKitchen]

Of course you're right.   Governors have done the same.  In New Jersey, our governor just shut down restaurants after 10pm keeping them open earlier, another confusing edict. What a joke. Maybe I don't need a mask before 10pm too.  European leaders are faced with the same issue.  How to stop Covid without starving their people?  Biden will be faced with the same issue.  Hopefully the vaccine will save his presidency and the rest of us.  I suspect the markets will tank in 2021 and if still struggling in two years, the Democrats will lose the House and the Senate (if they win it in Georgia) in 2022 as everyone abandons him and wonders how they were fooled into voting for him in the first place.

It is going to be a rough few years for Dems.  The Daily Wire is expanding into actual investigative journalism.  Glenn Greenwald left The Intercept and is now looking to put together another outlet where he will have more control specifically so his stories on Dems can not be censored (like the Hunter Biden story). 

[Alan Klein]

Supreme Court Justice Alito spoke on his concerns about liberty and Covid restrictions:

In addressing Covid-19, Alito pointedly noted that he was not trying to diminish the severity of the pandemic, which he said has taken a heavy human toll, leaving "thousands dead, many more hospitalized," nor was he commenting on whether the restrictions represent good public policy. "I am a judge, not a policy maker," he said.

But he said that he wanted to emphasize the impact of the restrictions on the rule of law and individual rights as officials have moved to combat the virus.

"We have never before seen restrictions as severe, extensive and prolonged," he said, and added that the pandemic has resulted in "previously unimaginable restrictions on individual liberty."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/samuel-alito-religious-freedom-federalist-society/index.html

Also here:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/13/alito-speech-religious-freedom-436412

[Chris Kern]

How does a Presidential pardon work, exactly?
. . .
[Various questions about the president's constitutional "Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of impeachment."]

The legal consensus is that the presidential pardon power is subject to very few limitations.  Briefly, in the hope of forestalling uninformed speculation:

• The presidential pardon power extends only to federal crimes.
  
• The power extends only to federal crimes committed prior to the issuance of the pardon.
  
• A pardon may be granted to an individual who has not been convicted of a federal crime.
  
• A pardon may be granted to an individual who has not been charged with a federal crime.
  
• There is no modern case law regarding the authority of a president to pardon himself, but common law doctrine suggests that such a pardon would be ineffective.
  

A presidential pardon would not have any effect with respect to a charge or prosecution based on the criminal laws of one of the individual states.

[Alan Klein]

The legal consensus is that the presidential pardon power is subject to very few limitations.  Briefly, in the hope of forestalling uninformed speculation:

• The presidential pardon power extends only to federal crimes.
  
• The power extends only to federal crimes committed prior to the issuance of the pardon.
  
• A pardon may be granted to an individual who has not been convicted of a federal crime.
  
• A pardon may be granted to an individual who has not been charged with a federal crime.
  
• There is no modern case law regarding the authority of a president to pardon himself, but common law doctrine suggests that such a pardon would be ineffective.
  

A presidential pardon would not have any effect with respect to a charge or prosecution based on the criminal laws of one of the individual states.

I suspect that after the Georgia senate runoff, Trump will then issue all his pardons.  I think we all know who they will be. 

[faberryman]

Unlike you, who only uses a one point analysis, the president needs to take into account several different points, like the economy.  Sorry, and thankfully for the country, you did not get your full wish list, since it would have collapsed the economy. 
So, yes, Trump did respect science, but also needed to take into account economics as well.

Sounds like you are giving him credit for something. I thought Trump couldn't do anything because of federalism. This sounds like more of that if something good happens Trump gets the credit, if something bad happens the governors get the blame routine.

[faberryman]

So, do you think that they pulled out because they feared losing their Democrat party clients or because of some internal legal dispute, or both?  Maybe they were afraid of not getting paid.  The article doesn;t say why.

They probably withdrew because they thought the arguments that Trump wanted to assert were specious, and didn't want to be involved with them. Don't worry, lots of other lawyers to choose from.

[JoeKitchen]

Sounds like you are giving him credit for something. I thought Trump couldn't do anything because of federalism. This sounds like more of that if something good happens Trump gets the credit, if something bad happens the governors get the blame routine.

He cont do much, only set the tone and distribute funding.  His administration set the tone on social distancing.  Now, much to Armond's chagrin, he did not set the tone mask wearing, although that is not something I think really does anything. 

Insofar as the vaccine, he clearly deserves credit for that.  Having a 300M open order for the first company to produce a vaccine was a clear incentive.

[faberryman]

Of course the fake news press's article never mentioned that.  They went on about how internal disagreement about the legitimacy of the suit caused problems in a firm that traditionally took controversial cases regularly.  The truth is the were afraid of retribution.  That was my conclusion not even knowing about the Lincoln Project.  This reminds me of when the Communist Revolution in Russia either killed their adversaries or tried to destroy them through shame and economic loss.  No wonder the polls were so wrong and so many more people voted for Trump than anticipated.  Americans today are afraid to speak their mind as we always have before.  And this is from the same group who always complains about McCarthyism against the left.  Now they're practicing it with glee.

Sounds like a lot of nonsense, but that is just my opinion.

[digitaldog]

Supreme Court Justice Alito spoke on his concerns about liberty and Covid restrictions:

Maybe next he'll speak about his concerns about the lack of liberty auto restrictions: having to stop at red lights, RR crossings, stop signs, speed limits on so many roads and highways, seatbelt laws, having to have auto insurance. Don't get him started on regulations for auto's for safety!
We Americans should be able to drive any way we desire right Alan? Give my Liberty or give me death (but don't give me common sense)?

[armand]

Your wish list was made obvious by how you write on the subject. 

So it's in your imagination, you don't have actual quotes with what I said that I want. As before.

But anyway, your first point is nothing but crazy left wing conspiracy theory.  Not surprised you would buy into it. 

He admitted he lied and there were multiple people (from both isles) selling their stocks after they found out about how bad it's going to be, while the public was told that "it will just go away".

On your second point, still no evidence masks worn by the general public who do not know how to wear them properly or wear clean mask do anything.  Second, he did push social distancing, but after the Dems repeatably ignored it for the BLM protests, how can you expect the other side to continue to follow it.  Even now, Dems allow their supporters to scoff at the lock downs and social distancing for Biden parties. 

What democrats did many months later doesn't excuse anything from what he, as a president, did.

See attachment. It was only half a year ago when I replied to you on the same subject (of masks), imagine how much stuff came out since. But as usual, it's wasted time with you. You don't care about facts but how to politicize everything so the Republicans look good.

I'm out.


PS. When you keep misspelling my name it just shows your intellectual level

[faberryman]

His administration set the tone on social distancing.

Really? Hmm.

[digitaldog]

Really?

Really indeed: close together jammed in rallies for the deal leader, no masks.  The infection rate INSIDE the administration is proof enough of that fact.