Bear Pit: now the sole domicile of politics at LuLa

[JoeKitchen]

You are embarrassing yourself. Go back and read the series of posts.

You said you posted nothing that stated insurrectionists killed the officer, yet you implied he might have been killed by bear spray.  Well, someone has to spray the bear spray, and if it was not the insurrectionists, then who?  Please explain who you think did when you wrote that. 

So, yes, just like a politician, you made a statement that gave you plausible deniability in the future by being able to make the true statement "there is nothing in those snippets, or in the complete text of those posts, in which digitaldog or I said that “Officer Sicknick was killed by the Capitol “insurrectionists”” or anything like it." 

Yet, we all know who "here is just one of the articles about bear spray possibly being responsible for Officer Sicknick's death" implies killed Sicknick by the use of bear spray. 

So, like I said, if you implied someone else besides the insurrectionists possibly sprayed that bear spray, please let us know and why you think that. 

[faberryman]

You said you posted nothing that stated insurrectionists killed the officer, yet you implied he might have been killed by bear spray.  Well, someone has to spray the bear spray, and if it was not the insurrectionists, then who?  Please explain who you think did when you wrote that. 

So, yes, just like a politician, you made a statement that gave you plausible deniability in the future by being able to make the true statement "there is nothing in those snippets, or in the complete text of those posts, in which digitaldog or I said that “Officer Sicknick was killed by the Capitol “insurrectionists”” or anything like it." 

Yet, we all know who "here is just one of the articles about bear spray possibly being responsible for Officer Sicknick's death" implies killed Sicknick by the use of bear spray. 

So, like I said, if you implied someone else besides the insurrectionists possibly sprayed that bear spray, please let us know and why you think that.

I did not say I had not posted a story about the possibility Officer Sicknick was killed by the Capitol insurrectionists. I said no one here had claimed that Officer Sicknick was killed by Capitol insurrectionists. I hope you can see the difference.

The LuLa bear spray affair started when I posted a article without comment that two men had been arrested for assaulting Officer Sicknick. I did so trying to change the subject because Alan was going off the deep end again about voter fraud. Alan immediately accused me "having a double standard" because I hadn't posted any articles about BLM protesters getting arrested for pepper spraying policemen. It went downhill from there. I posted the story about the FBI having a theory that Officer Sicknick had had a stroke following having inhaled bear spray in response to Alan's remark that he hadn't read anything about bear spray being associated with Officer Sicknick's death. I did not post the link for the truth of the matter therein asserted. Why would I? First, the article was in the Washington Examiner, and second, the article itself stated that the FBI denied that it had such a theory. I bowed out for the the day after assuring Alan that I thought BLM protesters should be prosecuted if they injured policemen with pepper spray.

If you have the stomach for it, go back to page 452, and read beginning with my post #9023. I think you will conclude that no one here claimed, or even implied, that Officer Sicknick was killed by Capitol insurrectionists. Certainly there was speculation in the media, but while the medical examiner had performed an autopsy, he had not released his inclusions, so at the time no one knew why he died.

[Alan Klein]

Yeah, I mean who ever heard of a stroke event being triggered by sudden extreme stress or shock. Maybe The American Academy of Neurology has heard of such a thing happening.

"Sudden reactions to startling events could trigger stroke through effects on blood circulation or an excessive response by the sympathetic nervous system, which regulates body functions such as heart rate or blood pressure."

"The study found that people who had strokes were more likely to have experienced anger or negative emotions in the two hours prior to the stroke than at the same time the day before the stroke. They were also more likely to have reacted quickly to a startling event, such as getting out of bed suddenly after hearing a grandchild fall down and cry or standing up from a chair quickly after hearing an unexpected loud noise."

I wonder how much more startling it might be to be overwhelmed and attacked by a mob storming the Capitol than "hearing a grandchild fall down and cry" or "an unexpected loud noise".

https://www.aan.com/PressRoom/ANGER, NEGATIVE EMOTIONS MAY TRIGGER STROKE

If a policeman can't take stress because of a medical condition, he shouldn't be a cop. The fact is the conclusion of the medical examiners was that he died of natural causes.

Meanwhile, the white unarmed woman shot and killed by a black cop at the Capitol has disappeared from the news.  The name of the cop was never announced or the report of the investigation of her death released by the government.  Had the situation been reversed, and the cop was white and the victim black, do you think that the cop would have been protected and nothing known about the investigation?  There's a double standard going on in America.  It seems that there are only "bad" and "racist" white cops. 

[Alan Klein]

Russia, Cuba seek closer 'strategic partnership'

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210420-russia-cuba-seek-closer-strategic-partnership

Havana (AFP) - April 20, 2021

Russian President Vladimir Putin called communist Cuba's new leader Miguel Diaz-Canel Tuesday to discuss strengthening the two countries' "strategic partnership," the Russian foreign ministry said in a message retweeted by its embassy in Havana.

In Tuesday's call, Putin and Diaz-Canel "confirmed their mutual willingness to strengthen the strategic partnership as well as to coordinate efforts in the fight against the spread of #COVID19," said the tweet.

The Kremlin had earlier issued a statement congratulating Diaz-Canel and expressing willingness to "develop a constructive bilateral dialogue and mutually-beneficial cooperation" between the two nations.

While Russia seeks closer ties, Cuba's relations with the United States have been at a low since then-President Donald Trump reinforced sanctions following an historic but temporary easing of tensions under Barack Obama between 2014 and 2016.

The tougher measures and the effects of the coronavirus epidemic contributed to Cuba's economy declining 11 percent in 2020.

In his final address to the party last Friday, Castro affirmed a "willingness to conduct a respectful dialogue and build a new kind of relationship with the United States" but without Cuba renouncing "the principles of the revolution and socialism."

White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki said last Friday the United States was not planning any immediate change in its policy toward Cuba, which would continue to focus on "support for democracy and human rights."

Putin testing Biden and creating bargaining chips when he'll be negotiating other things with America.

[Alan Klein]

I did not say I had not posted a story about the possibility Officer Sicknick was killed by the Capitol insurrectionists. I said no one here had claimed that Officer Sicknick was killed by Capitol insurrectionists. I hope you can see the difference.

The LuLa bear spray affair started when I posted a article without comment that two men had been arrested for assaulting Officer Sicknick. I did so trying to change the subject because Alan was going off the deep end again about voter fraud. Alan immediately accused me "having a double standard" because I hadn't posted any articles about BLM protesters getting arrested for pepper spraying policemen. It went downhill from there. I posted the story about the FBI having a theory that Officer Sicknick had had a stroke following having inhaled bear spray in response to Alan's remark that he hadn't read anything about bear spray being associated with Officer Sicknick's death. I did not post the link for the truth of the matter therein asserted. Why would I? First, the article was in the Washington Examiner, and second, the article itself stated that the FBI denied that it had such a theory. I bowed out for the the day after assuring Alan that I thought BLM protesters should be prosecuted if they injured policemen with pepper spray.

If you have the stomach for it, go back to page 452, and read beginning with my post #9023. I think you will conclude that no one here claimed, or even implied, that Officer Sicknick was killed by Capitol insurrectionists. Certainly there was speculation in the media, but while the medical examiner had performed an autopsy, he had not released his inclusions, so at the time no one knew why he died.

You and Digital Dog posted articles that implied he was killed by the rioters.  Digital's article that it was a fire extinguisher and your article it was bear spray. You didn't say you disagreed with their reports.  Therefore, your took their position.  You can't have it both ways.

If it looks like a duck, quacks  like a duck, well...

[Robert Roaldi]

If a policeman can't take stress because of a medical condition, he shouldn't be a cop. The fact is the conclusion of the medical examiners was that he died of natural causes.

Meanwhile, the white unarmed woman shot and killed by a black cop at the Capitol has disappeared from the news.  The name of the cop was never announced or the report of the investigation of her death released by the government.  Had the situation been reversed, and the cop was white and the victim black, do you think that the cop would have been protected and nothing known about the investigation?  There's a double standard going on in America.  It seems that there are only "bad" and "racist" white cops.

Why are you continuing to make support noises for people who invaded the Capitol? Now you're even victim-blaming the deceased cop because he dared die at an inconvenient time. You should re-examine your motivations. Are you interested in the public good and getting at the truth of things or are you just here to whine endlessly?

You're carrying your rebel/contrarian ego-trip beyond reasonable parameters. Listen, Alan, you're going to have to get over the fact that Trump lost and that there was no voter fraud, and that even "white" jerks can commit moronic crimes. You'll have to find a way to make your own peace with those things, even if they don't fit the narrative in your brain about how the world works.

Meanwhile, it's instructive to read about this person's story, https://eminetra.co.uk/norway-covid-denier-dies-of-virus-after-hosting-an-illegal-rally/415956/. What it illustrates is that viruses don't give a crap about people's opinions, something I thought would be blindingly obvious.

[Alan Klein]

Why are you continuing to make support noises for people who invaded the Capitol? Now you're even victim-blaming the deceased cop because he dared die at an inconvenient time. You should re-examine your motivations. Are you interested in the public good and getting at the truth of things or are you just here to whine endlessly?

You're carrying your rebel/contrarian ego-trip beyond reasonable parameters. Listen, Alan, you're going to have to get over the fact that Trump lost and that there was no voter fraud, and that even "white" jerks can commit moronic crimes. You'll have to find a way to make your own peace with those things, even if they don't fit the narrative in your brain about how the world works.

Meanwhile, it's instructive to read about this person's story, https://eminetra.co.uk/norway-covid-denier-dies-of-virus-after-hosting-an-illegal-rally/415956/. What it illustrates is that viruses don't give a crap about people's opinions, something I thought would be blindingly obvious.

The whole thing became political.  While I don't approve rioting or invasion of the capital, and I'm sorry a cop died of natural causes, they didn't murder anyone and they didn't commit insurrection, words still being thrown about by you and the fake press for political gain.

[Robert Roaldi]

You and Digital Dog posted articles that implied he was killed by the rioters.  Digital's article that it was a fire extinguisher and your article it was bear spray. You didn't say you disagreed with their reports.  Therefore, your took their position.  You can't have it both ways.

If it looks like a duck, quacks  like a duck, well...

If they hadn't rioted, would he have died?

Your position on the exact cause of death sounds like the kind of legal technicality that I bet you'd criticize if it was used in a court case where you didn't like the defendant.

[faberryman]

You and Digital Dog posted articles that implied he was killed by the rioters.  Digital's article that it was a fire extinguisher and your article it was bear spray. You didn't say you disagreed with their reports.  Therefore, your took their position.  You can't have it both ways.

That is so preposterous it beggars belief.

[Alan Klein]

Meanwhile, with $2 billion in damage from rioting and burning and looting last summer, and many killed, I still don't recall any concern from you about that.  Why not?

[faberryman]

The whole thing became political.  While I don't approve rioting or invasion of the capital, and I'm sorry a cop died of natural causes, they didn't murder anyone and they didn't commit insurrection, words still being thrown about by you and the fake press for political gain.

Who is "you"?

[Alan Klein]

That is so preposterous it beggars belief.

I'll let others draw their own conclusions what your intent was.

[Robert Roaldi]

The whole thing became political.  While I don't approve rioting or invasion of the capital, and I'm sorry a cop died of natural causes, they didn't murder anyone and they didn't commit insurrection, words still being thrown about by you and the fake press for political gain.

Why are you lumping me in with the "fake press"? What words am I throwing around?

Your hypocrisy wrt that riot/insurrection is appalling. If BLM rioters had done that, you've have blown an artery by now, but because MAGA nitwits were involved, you're bending over backwards so far to minimize the whole thing that it's embarrassing to listen to.

[Alan Klein]

Who is "you"?

I was referring to Robert's post.

[Alan Klein]

Why are you lumping me in with the "fake press"? What words am I throwing around?

Your hypocrisy wrt that riot/insurrection is appalling. If BLM rioters had done that, you've have blown an artery by now, but because MAGA nitwits were involved, you're bending over backwards so far to minimize the whole thing that it's embarrassing to listen to.

I'm not apologizing for them.  They were wrong and should be punished for what they actually did.  Not some made up political charges to make what they did worse than it was.

[faberryman]

There's a double standard going on in America.  It seems that there are only "bad" and "racist" white cops.

Your mind has been poisoned.

[faberryman]

I was referring to Robert's post.

So by "you", you mean Robert is using the words "murder" and "insurrection" about the events on January 6th?

What possible "political gain" could Robert derive from using those words on the Lula Coffee Corner?

[Robert Roaldi]

Meanwhile, with $2 billion in damage from rioting and burning and looting last summer, and many killed, I still don't recall any concern from you about that.  Why not?

Another bullshit deflection.

WHAT ABOUT (ha ha) Trump conning money out of his supporters to fight the election that ended up in his pocket. You never mention that, why not?  (See how pointless and annoying this is.)

[faberryman]

Meanwhile, with $2 billion in damage from rioting and burning and looting last summer, and many killed, I still don't recall any concern from you about that.  Why not?

Did we not discuss the protests at length?

[James Clark]

Did we not discuss the protests at length?

We did.