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Jeremy Roussak

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Politics, again.
« on: October 19, 2020, 01:18:15 pm »

In April 2019, I decided to reopen the discussion boards here to political argument. Initially, it seemed to have been a good, or at least not a bad, idea.

But I hadn't anticipated that in March of this year, the world would change. Since then, we (or at least, we few, we happy few, who actually take photographs) have been severely restricted in what we are able to do and discussion of photography has decreased. Some contributors have wandered off and their loss has been keenly felt. Just as importantly from my point of view, it has become apparent that rather than moderating a photographic site with a political sideline, I am moderating a political discussion site with a side order of photographs - that's how the volumes of posts make it appear, in any event - and, depressingly, the political discussions are vituperative, repetitive and ill-informed, reflecting, I suppose, the politics they address.

I have wasted too much of my time reading the stuff and, at long last, I've had enough. I shan't prevent political discussion immediately, as I gather something important is due to take place early next month. After that, however, this is what is going to happen.

  • On 4th November, or very soon thereafter depending on my other commitments, I shall lock active political threads.

  • I will close any thread opened after that date which I consider to be political, whether wholly or in part.

  • I shall open one thread in the Coffee Corner board, where those whose very survival might be threatened by an inability to spout politics here will be able to indulge themselves. That thread, which may or may not have a suitably droll title, will resemble the current Covid playpen thread: it will be largely unmoderated and those who choose to enter it will do so pretty much at their own risk. I may read it from time to time, either on my own initiative or if some particularly egregious comment is drawn to my attention; or I may not.

  • Anyone who indulges in political discussion elsewhere at this site will be dealt with in a suitable fashion (or as close as I can get, given societal disapproval of thumbscrews).

So, enjoy the next fortnight. I'm sure those of you upset by this decision can use part of the time to find somewhere else to vent your spleen.

Jeremy
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2020, 10:12:52 am »

Bravo, Jeremy!

I'm here for photography, and I now have dear friends on LuLa some of which may share my own political views and some who do not.

About once a month I glance briefly at one of the milder-seeming political threads and find that nothing has changed from the previous month.

Best, Eric
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2020, 01:35:40 pm »

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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2020, 04:23:40 pm »

Excellent decision!
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2020, 07:35:19 am »

Bravo, Jeremy!

I'm here for photography, and I now have dear friends on LuLa some of which may share my own political views and some who do not.

About once a month I glance briefly at one of the milder-seeming political threads and find that nothing has changed from the previous month.

Best, Eric

I used to have similar concerns about TV programming until some kind soul alerted me to the existence of the OFF button.  Revolutionised my life!
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2020, 07:49:12 am »

I used to have similar concerns about TV programming until some kind soul alerted me to the existence of the OFF button.  Revolutionised my life!

I have used it on you more than once, and you're right. It works a treat.

Jeremy
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2020, 01:08:05 pm »

Well there goes the activity level down to 1/2.
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2020, 02:00:17 pm »

Well there goes the activity level down to 1/2.

If the half that is lost is all or most of the drivel (which seems very likely), that would no bad thing.

Jeremy
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2020, 09:41:37 pm »

Well I do spend too much time on the coffee corner.  So your plan would free up more time to shoot pictures.  On the other hand, the coffee shop draws people to the site.  Certainly I look at all the other posts and respond there to other things as well.  I hope you're not shooting yourself in the foot. 

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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2020, 12:30:46 am »

On the other hand, the coffee shop draws people to the site.

draws = "keeps people coming back to talk about nothing that's related to LuLa"

Please, don't let LuLa turn into the next 4chan or 8chan.  Get rid of it.  Kill it with fire.  Nuke it from orbit; it's the only way to be sure.  Survive off the merits of your photographic content.

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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2020, 10:21:00 am »

In April 2019, I decided to reopen the discussion boards here to political argument. Initially, it seemed to have been a good, or at least not a bad, idea.

But I hadn't anticipated that in March of this year, the world would change. Since then, we (or at least, we few, we happy few, who actually take photographs) have been severely restricted in what we are able to do and discussion of photography has decreased. Some contributors have wandered off and their loss has been keenly felt. Just as importantly from my point of view, it has become apparent that rather than moderating a photographic site with a political sideline, I am moderating a political discussion site with a side order of photographs - that's how the volumes of posts make it appear, in any event - and, depressingly, the political discussions are vituperative, repetitive and ill-informed, reflecting, I suppose, the politics they address.

I have wasted too much of my time reading the stuff and, at long last, I've had enough. I shan't prevent political discussion immediately, as I gather something important is due to take place early next month. After that, however, this is what is going to happen.

  • On 4th November, or very soon thereafter depending on my other commitments, I shall lock active political threads.

  • I will close any thread opened after that date which I consider to be political, whether wholly or in part.

  • I shall open one thread in the Coffee Corner board, where those whose very survival might be threatened by an inability to spout politics here will be able to indulge themselves. That thread, which may or may not have a suitably droll title, will resemble the current Covid playpen thread: it will be largely unmoderated and those who choose to enter it will do so pretty much at their own risk. I may read it from time to time, either on my own initiative or if some particularly egregious comment is drawn to my attention; or I may not.

  • Anyone who indulges in political discussion elsewhere at this site will be dealt with in a suitable fashion (or as close as I can get, given societal disapproval of thumbscrews).

So, enjoy the next fortnight. I'm sure those of you upset by this decision can use part of the time to find somewhere else to vent your spleen.

Jeremy

Will there actually be anything political to talk about after Nov 4th? :)
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2020, 03:26:21 pm »

I have deleted some political posts. You may argue here about the wisdom of my decision (not that it will do you any good) but not about politics.

Jeremy
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2020, 03:29:12 pm »

I have deleted some political posts. You may argue here about the wisdom of my decision but not about politics.

Jeremy
Very wise decision.
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2020, 12:27:54 pm »

Time to close the Bear Pit.
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2020, 02:11:14 pm »

Time to close the Bear Pit.
Second the motion.
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Re: Politics, again.
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2020, 04:31:13 am »

Comments noted, but I indicated that it would persist, in isolation, until it intruded upon my time. It hasn't, yet.

I'm finding freedom from reading the various streams of political drivel, now amalgamated into one place I needn't visit, rather pleasant.

Jeremy
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2020, 12:05:00 pm »

Comments noted, but I indicated that it would persist, in isolation, until it intruded upon my time. It hasn't, yet.

I'm finding freedom from reading the various streams of political drivel, now amalgamated into one place I needn't visit, rather pleasant.

Jeremy
LuLa is well on the way of the Shutterbug and Popular Photography forums, whether you acknowledge that or not.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2020, 12:18:48 pm »

LuLa is well on the way of the Shutterbug and Popular Photography forums, whether you acknowledge that or not.
Is that also where you've been spending your time instead of shooting Frans (whether you acknowledge that or not)?  :D
Any progress on the Shutterbug and Popular Photography forums with 'Sensor heat'?  :o
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2020, 01:34:02 pm »

Is that also where you've been spending your time instead of shooting Frans (whether you acknowledge that or not)?  :D
Any progress on the Shutterbug and Popular Photography forums with 'Sensor heat'?  :o
Shows how well you are informed; those forums ceased operations years ago. I hope Jeremy pays attention.
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2020, 01:39:00 pm »

Shows how well you are informed; those forums ceased operations years ago. I hope Jeremy pays attention.
Ceased forums you've brought up that have no bearing; OT again Frans. No luck anywhere on any forums with 'Sensor heat'?  :o
Like many in these parts and others; plenty are not paying attention to your fantasies and requests. 😭
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