US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[Alan Klein]

A friend of mine was a friend of Bill Clinton. I think they studied together at Oxford. Anyway, he and his wife visited Bill and Hillary at the White House, and stayed in the Lincoln bedroom. They didn't have to make a contribution. So I guess sometimes the Clintons  were sleazy and sometimes they weren't.

Don't you have anything better to do than continue with the disparaging statements against Bill and Hillary Clinton, even if they are true? I mean it has been 20 years since they stole the china and had to return it. Do you really carry around all this resentment with you as you go through life. Consider moving on and having new experiences. For example, learn a new skill, like how to use the new 4x5 camera you bought before the pandemic. I think it was a Chamonix so it's top of the line. I think you said you got three or four nice lenses too. I guess you would, but you derive more pleasure from complaining about Bill and Hillary Clinton than learning how to use your new camera. Maybe you should just sell it, and go on a speaking tour about all the bad stuff Bill and Hillary Clinton did.

I can imagine if Hillary won. I wouldn't have had to suffer through the last four years of Trump. I mean it might have been worse with Hillary, but at least it would have been a different kind of worse.

I really should shoot more.  But I have used my new Chamonix through the pandemic.  Here are some photos.  The link to my FLickr page is clearly below each of my posts for you or anyone to see all of my work. 
https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=4x5&user_id=55760757%40N05&view_all=1

[faberryman]

I really should shoot more.  But I have used my new Chamonix through the pandemic.  Here are some photos.  The link to my FLickr page is clearly below each of my posts for you or anyone to see all of my work. 
https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=4x5&user_id=55760757%40N05&view_all=1

Great. Good work. I was only giving you a for example of something you might spend your time on instead of criticizing the Clintons, even if they deserve it.

I knew this guy who got divorced, and every time you ran into him he had something bad to say about his ex-wife. After a while, I told him he really needed to get over it and move on. I don't know, I'm not really an expert on the subject, but it seemed like it was good advice at the time. I mean it was pretty obvious that his old friends were starting to avoid him. But maybe he was in a book club with a lot of other divorced guys, and instead of talking about the book they were supposed to have read, they just sat around bitching and moaning about their ex-wives, and really looked forward to the opportunity to do it again next month. Perhaps those were his new friends, so if his old friends avoided him, it was no big deal.

If Biden wins, I am going to try my very best to put Trump behind me and never think about him again. If we are still on the forum in twenty years, and I say something critical of Trump, I hope you will remind me of the advice I gave my friend.

I may be giving you what they call gratuitous advice, and it's none of my business, but sometimes I just get sick of hearing about it. Maybe others do too. But maybe not.

[Robert Roaldi]

How do foreign correspondents view the U.S., short film (15 min) from New Yorker https://youtu.be/hcTXPT5LrL8. Short snippets from several foreign correspondents from around the world.

[James Clark]

I really should shoot more.  But I have used my new Chamonix through the pandemic.  Here are some photos.  The link to my FLickr page is clearly below each of my posts for you or anyone to see all of my work. 
https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=date-taken-desc&safe_search=1&tags=4x5&user_id=55760757%40N05&view_all=1

Really nice work with the barn and the fence line.

[Alan Klein]

Great. Good work. I was only giving you a for example of something you might spend your time on instead of criticizing the Clintons, even if they deserve it.

I knew this guy who got divorced, and every time you ran into him he had something bad to say about his ex-wife. After a while, I told him he really needed to get over it and move on. I don't know, I'm not really an expert on the subject, but it seemed like it was good advice at the time. I mean it was pretty obvious that his old friends were starting to avoid him. But maybe he was in a book club with a lot of other divorced guys, and instead of talking about the book they were supposed to have read, they just sat around bitching and moaning about their ex-wives, and really looked forward to the opportunity to do it next month. Perhaps those were his new friends, so if his old friends avoided him, it was no big deal.

If Biden wins, I am going to try my very best to put Trump behind me and never think about him again. If we are still on the forum in twenty years, and I say something critical of Trump, I hope you will remind me of the advice I gave my friend.

I may be giving you what they call gratuitous advice, and it's none of my business, but sometimes I just get sick of hearing about it. Maybe others do too. But maybe not.

I'm mentioning the Clintons because we're in a presidential election.  I'm reminding people why I and many other Americans voted for Trump.  Four years ago we had a choice and Trump was the better candidate for us than Hillary Clinton.  Just like then, there were many complaints about Trump but we we're not voting No Trump.  The alternate to Trump is Yes Biden.  We have to be confident that Biden is the guy to help America and is capable of handling it.  For many of us, Trump, is still the better person to lead America.

[Alan Klein]

How do foreign correspondents view the U.S., short film (15 min) from New Yorker https://youtu.be/hcTXPT5LrL8. Short snippets from several foreign correspondents from around the world.

The New Yorker Magazine is a left wing, anti-Trump screed.  You might as well watch CNN.

[LesPalenik]

Stanford University economists estimate that President Donald Trump’s campaign rallies have resulted in 30,000 additional confirmed cases of COVID-19, and likely led to more than 700 deaths overall.
Shouldn't he be criminally prosecuted for contributing to this calamity?

In recent months, Trump has held several dozen rallies in states such as Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Wisconsin, where coronavirus infection rates were already on the rise. At each event, several thousand people were estimated to have participated. While most of the rallies were held outdoors, video footage show that participants gathered in close proximity and many were not wearing masks, creating a risk of spreading the virus as they cheered their candidate on.

Minnesota public health officials have attributed four COVID-19 outbreaks and more than 25 cases to Trump rallies held in the state in September and October. An additional 11 state health departments contacted by Reuters said they had not been able to trace infections to the rallies, although some, including Michigan and Wisconsin, have determined that individual people who later tested positive for COVID-19 were present at Trump campaign events.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-coronavirus-rallies-expl/explainer-are-trumps-rallies-spreading-coronavirus-why-its-hard-to-know-the-full-impact-idUSKBN27H1IB

[Robert Roaldi]

The New Yorker Magazine is a left wing, anti-Trump screed.  You might as well watch CNN.

Calm down, that wasn't an attack.

[faberryman]

Stanford University economists estimate that President Donald Trump’s campaign rallies have resulted in 30,000 additional confirmed cases of COVID-19, and likely led to more than 700 deaths overall.
Shouldn't he be criminally prosecuted for contributing to this calamity?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-coronavirus-rallies-expl/explainer-are-trumps-rallies-spreading-coronavirus-why-its-hard-to-know-the-full-impact-idUSKBN27H1IB

Well, the thing is they had a few qualifiers in there to say they couldn't know with absolute certainty, and their numbers might be off a little here and there, so some people may say we should ignore the research altogether. Besides, it is scientific opinion, and we shouldn't trust scientists because they have made errors in the past. And oh by the way, Stanford is a den of commie/lib academics who are just out to get Trump. On the other hand, to me it seems like the conclusion is well within the realm of possibility, although unlike some others here, it really isn't my area of expertise, so it is not like I can vouch for its accuracy.

[faberryman]

...we're not voting No Trump.

I am. I'm not persuaded by your semantics that there is no Against Trump box on the ballot, so don't waste a lot of time trying to convince me otherwise. The box for Biden is probably just a misprint.

[faberryman]

I'm mentioning the Clintons because we're in a presidential election.  I'm reminding people why I and many other Americans voted for Trump.  Four years ago we had a choice and Trump was the better candidate for us than Hillary Clinton.  Just like then, there were many complaints about Trump but we we're not voting No Trump.  The alternate to Trump is Yes Biden.  We have to be confident that Biden is the guy to help America and is capable of handling it.  For many of us, Trump, is still the better person to lead America.

You mention the Clintons because you are obsessed and can't let it go, and you derive some perverse pleasure in dissing them over and over again. It probably makes you feel superior or something. Tell me, do you belong to a book club?

[faberryman]

The New Yorker Magazine is a left wing, anti-Trump screed.  You might as well watch CNN.

Yeah, but he probably prefers to read than to watch TV.

[Alan Klein]

Stanford University economists estimate that President Donald Trump’s campaign rallies have resulted in 30,000 additional confirmed cases of COVID-19, and likely led to more than 700 deaths overall.
Shouldn't he be criminally prosecuted for contributing to this calamity?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-coronavirus-rallies-expl/explainer-are-trumps-rallies-spreading-coronavirus-why-its-hard-to-know-the-full-impact-idUSKBN27H1IB

That's just silly.  So therefore, every Democrat and Republican governor who opened their states to any economic activity at all are guilty as well. That's all of them. So are every PM and president in Europe and Canada.  Let's send them all to jail.  You really need to discern a little what you read instead of just looking for ways to attack Trump.  Don't believe everything you read.  Try to read between the lines why they're saying it and does it even make sense. 

[Alan Klein]

Calm down, that wasn't an attack.

I'm calm. Your really need to mix up your reading materials instead of reading the same stuff repeated by similar screeds.

[Alan Klein]

Well, the thing is they had a few qualifiers in there to say they couldn't know with absolute certainty, and their numbers might be off a little here and there, so some people may say we should ignore the research altogether. Besides, it is scientific opinion, and we shouldn't trust scientists because they have made errors in the past. And oh by the way, Stanford is a den of commie/lib academics who are just out to get Trump. On the other hand, to me it seems like the conclusion is well within the realm of possibility, although unlike some others here, it really isn't my area of expertise, so it is not like I can vouch for its accuracy.

Curious if their report included Democratic Gov of NY Cuomo who by his Covd actions sent thousands of old people to their deaths in old age homes.  Or did they conveniently leave that out? 

[Alan Klein]

I am. I'm not persuaded by your semantics that there is no Against Trump box on the ballot, so don't waste a lot of time trying to convince me otherwise. The box for Biden is probably just a misprint.

When I voted a couple of weeks ago using the mail-in ballot, I used a black magic marker pen to make sure the circle for each person I voted for was completely filled in rather than using a regular pen or pencil.  I wanted my vote to count.  When I finished voting for president and all the other main offices, I flipped the ballot to complete my votes.  To my horror,  the black mark I made for one of my choices on the other side bled through the cardboard.  It filled in a box exactly for one of the candidates for our local board of election candidates.  You had to check off three of the five running.  Well, it would be impossible for me to erase the black ink mark.  So one of the three got my vote by accident.   Didn't know her from beans.  Fortunately, I didn't know any of the five from beans.  So it was all pretty much guesswork anyway. 

At least I didn't have to worry about any chads. 

[Alan Klein]

That was board of education, not board of election.

[faberryman]

That's just silly.  So therefore, every Democrat and Republican governor who opened their states to any economic activity at all are guilty as well. That's all of them. So are every PM and president in Europe and Canada.  Let's send them all to jail.  You really need to discern a little what you read instead of just looking for ways to attack Trump.  Don't believe everything you read.  Try to read between the lines why they're saying it and does it even make sense.

See what I mean.

[Alan Klein]

You mention the Clintons because you are obsessed and can't let it go, and you derive some perverse pleasure in dissing them over and over again. It probably makes you feel superior or something. Tell me, do you belong to a book club?

Thanks for your analysis.  I feel better already.  What do I owe you?

[faberryman]

I'm calm. Your really need to mix up your reading materials instead of reading the same stuff repeated by similar screeds.

I'd love to take a look at your internet search history.