US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

The New York Times has a lengthy article on the Rudy Giuliani efforts to tar Joe Biden with the alleged things that Hunter did.  I hope the doubters of the MSM will take time to read this as it fully explains why this is all a bunch BS.

Don't know if this has been shared already:

How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
A 64-page document that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm."
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-groundwork-hunter-biden-conspiracy-deluge-n1245387

An unverified leak of documents — including salacious pictures from what President Donald Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani and a Delaware Apple repair store owner claimed to be Hunter Biden's hard drive — were published in the New York Post on Oct. 14. Associates close to Trump, including Giuliani and former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, have promised more blockbuster leaks and secrets, which have yet to materialize.

The fake intelligence document, however, preceded the leak by months, and it helped lay the groundwork among right-wing media for what would become a failed October surprise: a viral pile-on of conspiracy theories about Hunter Biden.

[faberryman]

Just another smear about Trump that's just silly.  It's just to try to make him seems crazy when it's the people making up these stupid ideas who are nuts. 

When a president's term is over, he loses all power.  He couldn't even command the cook at the White House to prepare him a cup of tea.  The new president moves in on Jan 21st, 2021, assuming Biden wins, and the secret service takes the old president to wherever he wants to go, possibly Trump Tower, although Donald might prefer Mar A Lago, Florida where it's warmer.  Then he gets on with his life.  He has no power. That's how America works.  He commands nothing and nobody.  There can't be two presidents.

That’s exactly what I said, if he won’t leave the White House at the end of his term, federal law enforcement can go in with a swat team, cuff him, and drag his ass out.

[Alan Klein]

TDS.

[faberryman]

Did they only show outtakes in an unfriendly environment?

No, the interview took place in the White House.

Trump and his team videoed the whole thing too, and released their version on the web on Friday, contrary to Trump's agreement not to release his video before the interviewed aired on CBS on Sunday night. So I guess if you want to, you can compare Trump's version with CBS's version, and draw your own conclusions. I didn't watch Trump's version, so maybe he was all Jokey Smurf after all.

[Alan Klein]

Don't know if this has been shared already:

How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
A 64-page document that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm."
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-groundwork-hunter-biden-conspiracy-deluge-n1245387

Probably the same English firm and spy that prepared the fake Clinton dossier on Trump.  Curious.  I don't recall you criticizing that one.

[Craig Lamson]

Especially this quote from Trump:

"People are tired of Covid. I have the biggest rallies I've ever had, and we have Covid," Trump said, phoning into a call with campaign staff from his namesake hotel in Las Vegas, where he spent two nights amid a western campaign swing. "People are saying whatever. Just leave us alone. They're tired of it. People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots."

Absolutely astounding.

Nothing astounding about it at all. Many people feel that way.  And they vote.

[Craig Lamson]

The New York Times has a lengthy article on the Rudy Giuliani efforts to tar Joe Biden with the alleged things that Hunter did.  I hope the doubters of the MSM will take time to read this as it fully explains why this is all a bunch BS.  The complaints from some on this thread that major papers are not covering this are misguided as the story shows there isn't much to cover.  If one believes an almost blind computer repair person in Delaware came into possession of an incriminating computer, maybe they might also believe in the Roswell NM alien invasion.  Enjoy the read:  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/31/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-biden.html

I'm looking forward to the forensic analysis if it ever comes!

Why not ask the FBI?  They STILL seem quite interested. 

Wow, read the article ole Maggie and her gang reaaly dug deep  /s.  Or is the Dung deep?

Did they expend this much effort for Julie Swetnick?  LOL! 

[faberryman]

TDS.

Trump Delusion Syndrome?

[faberryman]

They're wrong.  They hate Trump so much they actually believe these fairy tales.   I've kept telling you Bart for four years to stop watching the anti-Trump press, but you wouldn't listen. Now, you wasted your vote like a lot of Americans will as well who also listened to the fake news press.

Last time I remember, Bart is from the Netherlands, and doesn't get to vote for president. But maybe he is an expatriate. Can't rule that out, I guess.

[faberryman]

Why not ask the FBI?  They STILL seem quite interested.

Maybe they are, but when I last checked, when asked about it, they said no comment. Maybe they changed their mind and I missed it.

[Alan Klein]

Last time I remember, Bart is from the Netherlands, and doesn't get to vote for president. But maybe he is an expatriate. Can't rule that out, I guess.

He voted for Trump in this thread's poll at the top after being fooled by the anti-Trump press and thought Trump would refuse to leave the White House if he lost.  You're not keeping up Frank. 

[faberryman]

Probably the same English firm and spy that prepared the fake Clinton dossier on Trump.

If that were the case, why would close associates of Trump release it?

[Craig Lamson]

Maybe they are, but when I last checked, when ask about it, they said no comment. Maybe they changed their mind and I missed it.

Yes thats their stance.  You missed nothing, a memory like a steel trap !

[Alan Klein]

If that were the case, why would close associates of Trump release it?

I told a joke Frank, a joke. 

[faberryman]

Yes thats their stance.  You missed nothing, a memory like a steel trap !

Well, it's getting kind of rusty, so I never know.

[Alan Klein]

Maybe they are, but when I last checked, when ask about it, they said no comment. Maybe they changed their mind and I missed it.

The FBI cannot comment on cases under investigation.  FBI DIrector Comey did that about Hillary in 2016 before the last election and look where that got him.

[faberryman]

He voted for Trump in this thread's poll at the top after being fooled by the anti-Trump press and thought Trump would refuse to leave the White House if he lost.  You're not keeping up Frank. 

So explain to me how exactly Bart "wasted" his vote. He was just guessing along with everyone else whether Trump or Biden will be president on January 20, 2021. It is like someone flipped a coin and asked "Heads or tails?" If you answer heads and it turns out to be tails, you haven't really wasted you vote, have you? How can you waste a vote on a poll? So that's why I thought you were talking about the election and not the poll. Seemed reasonable to me at the time. I mean you are always confusing where people come from around here, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that you had forgotten that Bart was from the Netherlands. You've told me I am from all sorts of places.

And I don't recall Bart saying he thought Trump would not leave the White House at the end of his term, but I may be mistaken.

[Craig Lamson]

The FBI cannot comment on cases under investigation.  FBI DIrector Comey did that about Hillary in 2016 before the last election and look where that got him.

The left loves reports from "sources close to the investigation" so they should be quite happy to hear that a "source within the DOJ" has confirmed the existence of an active criminal investigation into Hunter Biden, son of Democrat presidential nominee Joe Biden, and his associates.  This source also confirms the FBI opened this case in 2019.

No wait, The vaunted NYT says is just a scam by Rudy....

[Alan Klein]

So explain to me how exactly Bart "wasted" his vote. He was just guessing along with everyone else whether Trump or Biden will be president on January 20, 2021. It is like someone flipped a coin and asked "Heads or tails?" If you answer heads and it turns out to be tails, you haven't really wasted you vote, have you? So that's why I thought you were talking about the election and not the poll. Seemed reasonable to me at the time. I mean you are always confusing where people come from around here, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility that you had forgetten that Bart was from the Netherlands. You've told me I am from all sorts of places.

And I don't recall Bart saying he thought Trump would not leave the White House at the end of his term, but I may be mistaken.

Read the thread.  I'm not explaining it further.

[faberryman]

The FBI cannot comment on cases under investigation.  FBI DIrector Comey did that about Hillary in 2016 before the last election and look where that got him.

They can if they want to. They just usually don't comment as a matter of policy. But as you noted, sometimes they don't follow policy.