US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[JoeKitchen]

For the love of God, stop putting people in boxes. He doesn't even want Medicare for all, so he is not even half way to the looney left.

Yes he does! 

A public option sets in place a one way ticket to a single payer system.  Everyone knows this and why a public option was never put in place with Obamacare. 

If you over-regulate the private system while providing a greatly subsidized public option, you are undermining the private system.  This creates an unfair playing field that pushes people towards the public option until eventually the private system collapses.  That is the only point to implement a public option. 

Now Biden truly may be too stupid to realize this, and he is stupid, but his socialist friends in his party are not. 


PS, and this most certainly what will happen if you mandate that healthcare providers must accept patients with the public option.  This is one of the reasons I wanted ACB in the court, since I feel it is a violation to force companies to accept government business.  If they implement this as a requirement, it will be in the courts rather quickly and I pray that Roberts sides with the liberals so Thomas can through a nuclear bomb into USA jurisprudence with his opinion. 

[faberryman]

Well they do require to see my ID.

That sounds more Fascist than Socialist to me. Besides, I always carry a fake ID with me. I have done so since high school.

[PeterAit]

I'm not going to lie, I feeling pretty guilty with myself right now.  I told myself I would never give in and get tested, but someone came along and promised to cross my palm with silver. 

"Do you want this job where you make a few grand for just a day's work.  Well, if so, new regs state you need to get tested."   

And just like that, my name is now going into the database they will use to cull off the chaff when AOC and the commies take over.  Do they make you perform a Maoist struggle session before entering?  I just want to know if I should bring some knee pads.

The sound of knuckles dragging is deafening. Crikey, the tripe some people believe!!

[faberryman]

Yes he does!  A public option sets in place a one way ticket to a single payer system.  Everyone knows this and why a public option was never put in place with Obamacare.

Well, when your guy get backs in office, he can turn the train around. You guys have done a pretty good job of that with Obamacare, so I don't know why you are so worried about it.

[JoeKitchen]

That sounds more Fascist than Socialist to me. Besides, I always carry a fake ID with me. I have done so since high school.

Rats!  I though mine out after I turned 21. 

[faberryman]

At restaurants though, I just say whatever and rattle off 10 random digits for my phone number.

At restaurants I used to sign the name of my daughter's stuffed moose on the credit card slip. She thought that was pretty hilarious. Then we would go get an ice cream cone. Maybe that's why my daughter still talks to me. Sometimes the little stuff is more important than the big stuff.

[Alan Klein]

For the love of God, stop putting people in boxes. Expand your mind. He doesn't even want Medicare for all, so he is not even half way to the looney left you live in so much fear of.

He's not presidential material.

[Craig Lamson]

Meanwhile, MSM Washington Post has a story on the difficulties Elkhart Count IN is facing (right close by our Indiana photographer) because of politics and the pandemic:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/elkhart-indiana-covid-outbreak-election/    "The worst of the pandemic is hitting Elkhart County, Ind., just days before the election. The number of new coronavirus cases is exploding. Positive test rates are three times the national average. Local hospitals are running low on beds, their doctors and nurses exhausted.

Yet Elkhart’s public health leaders and politicians know exactly what needs to be done — how to slow the virus and break the chains of transmission. They did it with success during a smaller outbreak this summer.

But they also know that’s not going to happen now."

Everyone should spend some time reading the comment section of the article Alan posted.  Its highly illuminating.  Remember Biden is going to bring us all back together.  You can get behind the paywall by using private mode in your browser.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/elkhart-indiana-covid-outbreak-election/

[faberryman]

He's not presidential material.

There you go. That wasn't so bad after all, was it? Keep up the good work.

[Alan Klein]

This helps Trump.

U.S. GDP booms at 33.1% rate in Q3, better than expected
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/us-gdp-report-third-quarter-2020.html

Jobless claims fall to 751,000 in last report before election
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/business/unemployment-benefits-coronavirus/index.html

[Alan Goldhammer]

So you think Tucker is telling a lie?

Neither you nor I know the answer to this.

[faberryman]

Everyone should spend some time reading the comment section of the article Alan posted.  Its highly illuminating.  Remember Biden is going to bring us all back together.  You can get behind the paywall by using private mode in your browser.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/10/29/elkhart-indiana-covid-outbreak-election/

Whenever I read an article on the Fox News website, I always read some of the comments first, sort of like a warm up. You know, to kind of put myself in the right frame of mind. I read them and think what a bunch of idiots. You probably read the comments on Washington Post articles and think what a bunch of idiots. You know what? We're both right. I mean it is bad enough wasting time posting comments on LuLa. But newspaper articles? How dumb do you have to be? You really have to learn to draw the line somewhere. When I was in a really good mood, I would post comments over on PetaPixel. Those guys really don't have a sense of humor so I don't post over there anymore.

[Craig Lamson]

Neither you nor I know the answer to this.

I think I do now...

UPS says it lost Tucker documents.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ups-says-it-lost-the-cache-of-documents-that-fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-claimed-would-damage-biden-s-campaign/ar-BB1avA31?li=BBorjTa

[Manoli]

He's not presidential material.

Reminds me of the critique I heard just after Trump was elected POTUS.
"... he's both ethically an intellectually unfit to hold the highest office in the land."

[Alan Goldhammer]

I think I do now...

UPS says it lost Tucker documents.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ups-says-it-lost-the-cache-of-documents-that-fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-claimed-would-damage-biden-s-campaign/ar-BB1avA31?li=BBorjTa

There are two ways this plays out.  Either someone from the right destroyed the documents because they don't say anything and might have even been blank sheets of paper or they were incriminating and someone on the left did so. 

Tucker Carlson's incompetence at work (form the article Craig links):  "Business Insider has also asked Fox News about the contents of the documents, as well as why Carlson's team did not keep other copies of the documents."   

LOL sending mission critical documents without backing things up?  What kind of dumbos are these guys/gals?

[faberryman]

This helps Trump.

U.S. GDP booms at 33.1% rate in Q3, better than expected
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/29/us-gdp-report-third-quarter-2020.html

Jobless claims fall to 751,000 in last report before election
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/business/unemployment-benefits-coronavirus/index.html

Do you really think anybody reads those articles and thinks gee I am really better off than I thought? Not only am I going to change my vote, I think I'll super-size my fries today.

[Craig Lamson]

There are two ways this plays out.  Either someone from the right destroyed the documents because they don't say anything and might have even been blank sheets of paper or they were incriminating and someone on the left did so. 

Tucker Carlson's incompetence at work (form the article Craig links):  "Business Insider has also asked Fox News about the contents of the documents, as well as why Carlson's team did not keep other copies of the documents."   

LOL sending mission critical documents without backing things up?  What kind of dumbos are these guys/gals?

So you now KNOW they did not back them up?  First rule of holes Alan.
 

[Manoli]

If you over-regulate the private system while providing a greatly subsidized public option, you are undermining the private system.  This creates an unfair playing field that pushes people towards the public option until eventually the private system collapses.  That is the only point to implement a public option.

Well that theory hasn't been borne out in the UK with the NHS. Far from it.
The UK has a thriving private sector alongside the public one.

[Alan Klein]

Whenever I read an article on the Fox News website, I always read some of the comments first, sort of like a warm up. You know, to kind of put myself in the right frame of mind. I read them and think what a bunch of idiots. You probably read the comments on Washington Post articles and think what a bunch of idiots. You know what? We're both right. I mean it is bad enough wasting time posting comments on LuLa. But newspaper articles? How dumb do you have to be? You really have to learn to draw the line somewhere. When I was in a really good mood, I would post comments over on PetaPixel. Those guys really don't have a sense of humor so I don't post over there anymore.

The comments in the WP are obscene.  At least the NY Times moderates them before posting so you get high-class snottiness. Soft-porn.

[Alan Klein]

Reminds me of the critique I heard just after Trump was elected POTUS.
"... he's both ethically an intellectually unfit to hold the highest office in the land."

Reminds me of the quote from now dead conservative raconteur William Buckley.  He was commenting on how poor the representatives are who make up the US Congress and said that he'd rather have elected the first 450 people listed in the Boston telephone directory.  We'd be better off.