US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[faberryman]

Bobulinski told us last night exactly what "it" is.  Watch the youtube of Tucker from last night

Just so you know, if the Bidens are found guilty of doing something illegal, I am perfectly fine with throwing them in jail. I won't shed any tears.

I'll take you up on your request to watch the Tucker Carlson interview of Bobulinski in the next couple of days. In exchange, I'll ask you to watch any hour long interview by Don Lemon over on CNN just so the suffering is equal.

[Alan Goldhammer]

In my opinion, any bill from COngress about this issue would be unconstitutional.  There's no authority in it for congress to write law on it. 

This is nonsense.  There is nothing in the Constitution regarding environmental laws which were inconceivable at the time it was written.  The Supreme Court has not invalidated formation of the EPA.

[Alan Goldhammer]

"God is dead.  And we killed him." 

It is one of the most depressing philosophies I have ever read.  Although I cant see giving into adopting a religion personally, it is hard to ignore the fact that the entirety of all moralities has stemmed from religions.  Nietzsche predicted nihilism would eventually follow from the abandonment of religion, and given the current actions happening on the street, I am finding it hard to disagree with.

For me God died at Auschwitz.  I think it was when I was 12 that we studied the Holocaust at our Synagogue school.  It became apparent that not preventing the death of 6 million people was as persuasive an argument against God's existence as any. From that point on I was an unbeliever.

[Alan Goldhammer]

I have a Trane dual stage system with a humidifier.  I’ve never measured  the humidity.  Higher humidity might help with keeping COVID away.  Sorry wrong thread.  A new tax package from whoever wins the election for more humidifiers would be a good thing 😎

That is what we have though ours is a Lennox.  The attached humidifier (Aprilaire) only gets the house up to 35% or so when it gets cold.  That is not quite enough for the bedroom which is why we have an auxiliary one there.

[Ray]

Why not just post everything on a website and let everyone examine it?  Where is Wikileaks when we really need them?  Why wouldn't you want full disclosure?  this smacks of hypocrisy.

Good questions! I wondered about this myself. Could it be there are legal defamation issues involved when one discloses private emails and videos to the public? Such legal processes can take years to resolve.

[faberryman]

Good questions! I wondered about this myself. Could it be there are legal defamation issues involved when one discloses private emails and videos to the public? Such legal processes can take years to resolve.

As best as I can tell, that hasn't stopped anyone before. They are all over the news and the internet all the time.

[faberryman]

This is nonsense.  There is nothing in the Constitution regarding environmental laws which were inconceivable at the time it was written.  The Supreme Court has not invalidated formation of the EPA.

It's just his opinion. I think the definition of opinion says it doesn't have to based on any knowledge or facts. No reason not to probe the opiner's thought process though.

[Craig Lamson]

Just so you know, if the Bidens are found guilty of doing something illegal, I am perfectly fine with throwing them in jail. I won't shed any tears.

I'll take you up on your request to watch the Tucker Carlson interview of Bobulinski in the next couple of days. In exchange, I'll ask you to watch any hour long interview by Don Lemon over on CNN just so the suffering is equal.

Don Lemon is a step too far. 😎

[Robert Roaldi]

Actually I feel the supression is a far bigger story and it should worry every thinking American.  Biden is a crook, but whats new, it appears most politicians are. 

The news media trying to bury this to get Biden over the finish line is not a good thing for America.  IMO

Possible I guess, but it's a reach imo. And anyway, which media are you talking about? Don't you think that Rudy, or someone, could have found a way to copy a hard drive by now and send the copy on over to Hannity or Tucker. Do you think they would be too shy or reticent to air any damning content? I mean, people are sending in mailed ballots right at this moment, don't they want the truth to get out to those people ASAP? What's the hold-up? Can't be that hard to "leak" stuff, happens all the time.

I find it hard to agree with your comment that a "cover-up" or "suppression" is now a bigger story than a Presidential candidate being outed as a crook. That's not credible to me.

[Robert Roaldi]

It's just his opinion. I think the definition of opinion says it doesn't have to based on any knowledge or facts.

Hmmm, interesting distinction. Maybe we need a new word to describe an opinion that's based on knowledge or facts, because as you say the old word "opinion" might mean something else now. This is how English evolves, I think. You may be onto something, maybe you're making linguistic history.

As a further and timely example, as per an earlier post Trump seems to have declared that the pandemic is over, although I suspect that what he actually said, as in which precise words he used and in what order, might mean something completely different as they have done many times before. I am no authority on that, that's for certain. We may need a new definition of when a pandemic ends or a new word to describe when it ends in one person's mind, as opposed to when people stop getting sick.

[faberryman]

Don Lemon is a step too far. 😎

Yeah, that's how I feel about Tucker. I don't resist watching the interview for fear about what Bobulinski might say.

[Craig Lamson]

Possible I guess, but it's a reach imo. And anyway, which media are you talking about? Don't you think that Rudy, or someone, could have found a way to copy a hard drive by now and send the copy on over to Hannity or Tucker. Do you think they would be too shy or reticent to air any damning content? I mean, people are sending in mailed ballots right at this moment, don't they want the truth to get out to those people ASAP? What's the hold-up? Can't be that hard to "leak" stuff, happens all the time.

I find it hard to agree with your comment that a "cover-up" or "suppression" is now a bigger story than a Presidential candidate being outed as a crook. That's not credible to me.

Fox does have a copy, as does Hannity, Tucker the Wall Street  Journal.  And yes they are reporting.

But what about ABC NBC and the rest of the major TV networks?   The NYT, The Washington Post etc.  They  are doing next to nothing. Why?  Why did Twitter and Facebook ban links to the story?   NPR said basically that they were not going to report on the story because it was a waste of their time and they didn’t want to waste their listeners time.  Ask Frank what he has found over the last week or so searching the web about this story.  IMO they want the story to die, or at least stay buried until Nov 3.   They were all in breathlessly on anything anti Trump fo the last for years.  It seems to me you are not paying attention. 

[Craig Lamson]

Yeah, that's how I feel about Tucker. I don't resist watching the interview for fear about what Bobulinski might say.

Quite frankly Bobblehead does most of the talking.

[Alan Goldhammer]

As a further and timely example, as per an earlier post Trump seems to have declared that the pandemic is over, although I suspect that what he actually said, as in which precise words he used and in what order, might mean something completely different as they have done many times before. I am no authority on that, that's for certain. We may need a new definition of when a pandemic ends or a new word to describe when it ends in one person's mind, as opposed to when people stop getting sick.

Certainly this is what the President is trying to do in this rallies.  Unfortunately for him, the number of infections keep going up which is not good news as we get close to the election.  It's estimated that over 60% of the electorate has already voted.  I don't think the number of undecided voters is all that high.  It also looks as if third party candidates will do much worse this year.  It is instructive to see where Republican campaign funds are being directed right now and it's entirely possible that the Democrats will add to their majority in the House.

Trump is spending all his time rallying his base but 40% won't win this election.  The MAGA people are already decided.  An ABC News/WaPo poll shows Biden up by 17 points in Wisconsin.  Even if the margin of error is 4% this is really bad news for the Prez.

[faberryman]

As a further and timely example, as per an earlier post Trump seems to have declared that the pandemic is over, although I suspect that what he actually said, as in which precise words he used and in what order, might mean something completely different as they have done many times before. I am no authority on that, that's for certain. We may need a new definition of when a pandemic ends or a new word to describe when it ends in one person's mind, as opposed to when people stop getting sick.

It is simpler that that. Trump got bored with the whole thing at the end of April, especially when he saw all those two hour press conferences he was doing weren't exactly boosting his ratings. I think the injecting disinfectant into patients' lungs kerfuffle was the turning point.

I don't think you can parse Trump's words. He doesn't have a wide vocabulary and doesn't speak in complete sentences. A lot of times you don't have any idea what he is saying anyway. Maybe he does that so he can denying saying it. He was done fooling with it.

When he says the pandemic is over, he just means for him.

[Alan Goldhammer]

Fox does have a copy, as does Hannity, Tucker the Wall Street  Journal.  And yes they are reporting.

But what about ABC NBC and the rest of the major TV networks?   The NYT, The Washington Post etc.  They  are doing next to nothing. Why?  Why did Twitter and Facebook ban links to the story?   NPR said basically that they were not going to report on the story because it was a waste of their time and they didn’t want to waste their listeners time.  Ask Frank what he has found over the last week or so searching the web about this story.  IMO they want the story to die, or at least stay buried until Nov 3.   They were all in breathlessly on anything anti Trump fo the last for years.  It seems to me you are not paying attention.

I don't believe the WSJ news staff has written a story on the alleged computer.  the only reporting that I've seen on Fox is from the op-ed people and not the mainstream news people on the network (and yes, I have looked).  Your constant arguments about the MSM not doing anything is a phony argument.  they have already reported that that appears to be doctored material and that they have requested and not received it.  What else do you expect them to do?  Would you cover a story like this in the absence of evidence?  You cannot maintain such a standard with out being laughed off the newspaper floor.

[Robert Roaldi]

Fox does have a copy, as does Hannity, Tucker the Wall Street  Journal.  And yes they are reporting.

But what about ABC NBC and the rest of the major TV networks?   The NYT, The Washington Post etc.  They  are doing next to nothing. Why?  Why did Twitter and Facebook ban links to the story?   NPR said basically that they were not going to report on the story because it was a waste of their time and they didn’t want to waste their listeners time.  Ask Frank what he has found over the last week or so searching the web about this story.  IMO they want the story to die, or at least stay buried until Nov 3.   They were all in breathlessly on anything anti Trump fo the last for years.  It seems to me you are not paying attention.

Who cares what the other networks are doing? If the truth is out and everyone knows it, they will either have egg on their faces or have to start reporting the same info. They can't hide forever.

[Robert Roaldi]

When he says the pandemic is over, he just means for him.

Yes of course, good point.

[Craig Lamson]

I don't believe the WSJ news staff has written a story on the alleged computer.  the only reporting that I've seen on Fox is from the op-ed people and not the mainstream news people on the network (and yes, I have looked).  Your constant arguments about the MSM not doing anything is a phony argument.  they have already reported that that appears to be doctored material and that they have requested and not received it.  What else do you expect them to do?  Would you cover a story like this in the absence of evidence?  You cannot maintain such a standard with out being laughed off the newspaper floor.

Yes the WSJ has written about it on the news side, I read a story the other day.  Fox reports on the news side as well, Again I have watched it. 

So exactly watch has you vaunted MSM done in investigating this story?  Have they gone to Rudy to view the drive?  Have they endlessly questioned Joe?  Have they looked for Hunter?  Have they posted any of the many emails and test s the have come from different people on the chains and Tarth are archived on their devices? 

The answer to those questions is no, they have not.  They are hiding this story pure and simple.  So now we have a principal of the China deal on record with documentation that shows Joe was involved.  What do you suppose we will hear about that on the MSM.

You claims about “maintaining a standard “ are laughable given the last 4 years of Trump bashing with nonsense stories.

[Alan Klein]

This is nonsense.  There is nothing in the Constitution regarding environmental laws which were inconceivable at the time it was written.  The Supreme Court has not invalidated formation of the EPA.

There's a nexus between pollution and regulation of interstate commerce that Congress can regulate.  Pollution extends over state lines in the air and with rivers.  But abortion is a local issue like hunting and fishing regulations or speeding.