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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2620 on: October 19, 2020, 08:56:43 pm »


This whole thing has become crazy, and I dont buy crazy. 

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2621 on: October 19, 2020, 09:43:27 pm »

No, more like since May, but this whole hysteria around this virus, and it is hysteria, is seriously turning some I know into panphobics, and I am getting tired of it.  Not to mention, people, like Samual here, are insisting on projecting their fears onto everyone. 

If Samual is a fearful man, that is his issue to overcome.  However, he has no right to project his fearfulness onto me, nor will I give into it. 

There is a stylist I know that has been cooped up in her house since this thing started.  She recently posted on Facebook about if she should go out to a restaurant and get a drink outside with friends, but ultimately decided not to due to Covid.  She is in her late 30s and is very healthy. 

Another, I was apple picking two weeks ago near New Hope, PA, a very liberal area.  It is near impossible to get this outside walking down the sidewalk, let along in a large orchard in farm country.  People were wearing masks, giving me the stink eye because I refuse to do so.  I was told by someone I was making him feel unsafe.  To damn bad.  You're 20 feet from me in a man made forest, and it was a beautiful Autumn day.  I was not about to breath my recycled warm humid breath outside in open country air just because some give into hysteria. 

The Happening was a bad movie, however Dems seem hellbent on making it real life. 

This whole thing has become crazy, and I dont buy crazy.

What hysteria? We have some simple procedures for avoiding infection. The only hysteria I've seen is the reaction to the procedures.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2622 on: October 19, 2020, 10:18:02 pm »

No, more like since May, but this whole hysteria around this virus, and it is hysteria, is seriously turning some I know into panphobics, and I am getting tired of it.  Not to mention, people, like Samual here, are insisting on projecting their fears onto everyone. 

If Samual is a fearful man, that is his issue to overcome.  However, he has no right to project his fearfulness onto me, nor will I give into it. 

There is a stylist I know that has been cooped up in her house since this thing started.  She recently posted on Facebook about if she should go out to a restaurant and get a drink outside with friends, but ultimately decided not to due to Covid.  She is in her late 30s and is very healthy. 

Another, I was apple picking two weeks ago near New Hope, PA, a very liberal area.  It is near impossible to get this outside walking down the sidewalk, let along in a large orchard in farm country.  People were wearing masks, giving me the stink eye because I refuse to do so.  I was told by someone I was making him feel unsafe.  To damn bad.  You're 20 feet from me in a man made forest, and it was a beautiful Autumn day.  I was not about to breath my recycled warm humid breath outside in open country air just because some give into hysteria. 

The Happening was a bad movie, however Dems seem hellbent on making it real life. 

This whole thing has become crazy, and I dont buy crazy.

Having a drink in a restaurant is not essential, but seldom lethal. Similarly, wearing a mask in an apple orchard is not essential, but relatively painless.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2623 on: October 20, 2020, 01:49:01 am »

There is a stylist I know that has been cooped up in her house since this thing started.  She recently posted on Facebook about if she should go out to a restaurant and get a drink outside with friends, but ultimately decided not to due to Covid.  She is in her late 30s and is very healthy

Seems like the stylist is an adult and is free to make her own decisions about what’s best for her under the circumstances. I would be surprised if there isn’t a bell curve on risk aversion among individuals. I remember when I was out in Yosemite a few years ago a couple of guys climbed El Capitan without ropes. I wouldn’t climb El Capitan with ropes, no matter what the safety stats showed. And that is true even if Spock were there in his rocket boots ready to catch me if I fell. I have enough zest in my life, thank you very much.

I know I wouldn’t appreciate it if someone told me I was just being hysterical. I’d probably tell him to mind his own business. And oh by the way, if it were a woman you told that she was being hysterical, you might get sued for sexual harassment, and lose a million dollars. Some women are pretty touchy about the whole hysteria thing. But it is a free country, and if you want to have a chat with this stylist, and maybe suggest some phobia therapy, be my guest. That certainly sounds like normal behavior. Perhaps you could go door to door with brochures sharing your wisdom. You might become a legend, like Johnny Appleseed or Typhoid Mary.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2624 on: October 20, 2020, 04:33:26 am »

Ever since McRaven first criticised Trump I have been eager to hear what the Trumpists reaction was. I have not read or heard anything, perhaps one or two of our "locals" will have a go.

In the Wall Street Journal yesterday "William McRaven, retired four-star admiral and former head of U.S. Special Operations Command, says he’s a conservative and he’s voting for Biden."

There is a paywall there but you can get the idea from here:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/william-mcraven-biden-endorsement_n_5f8e5343c5b6dc2d17f9c736?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067
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« Reply #2625 on: October 20, 2020, 10:35:45 am »

Ever since McRaven first criticised Trump I have been eager to hear what the Trumpists reaction was. I have not read or heard anything, perhaps one or two of our "locals" will have a go.

In the Wall Street Journal yesterday "William McRaven, retired four-star admiral and former head of U.S. Special Operations Command, says he’s a conservative and he’s voting for Biden."

There is a paywall there but you can get the idea from here:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/william-mcraven-biden-endorsement_n_5f8e5343c5b6dc2d17f9c736?ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

Don't expect a response from the Trumplets. A while back I posted about a letter signed by 500 (yes, hundred) retired admirals, generals, and national security/diplomatic people, condemning Trump and endorsing Biden. The silence from the Trumpskis was deafening. They have a finely tuned ability to ignore inconvenient facts that cannot be denied.
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« Reply #2626 on: October 20, 2020, 10:54:14 am »

Don't expect a response from the Trumplets. A while back I posted about a letter signed by 500 (yes, hundred) retired admirals, generals, and national security/diplomatic people, condemning Trump and endorsing Biden. The silence from the Trumpskis was deafening. They have a finely tuned ability to ignore inconvenient facts that cannot be denied.
Trump rails against the entire government insidrs and entrenched bureaucracy include the military establishment.  The left has always complained about the military industrial complex that McRaven is part of and have gotten us involved in foreign adventures and wars. In another time they would be applauding Trump when these people showed displeasure with him. 

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« Reply #2627 on: October 20, 2020, 11:15:12 am »

Trump rails against the entire government insidrs and entrenched bureaucracy include the military establishment.  The left has always complained about the military industrial complex that McRaven is part of and have gotten us involved in foreign adventures and wars. In another time they would be applauding Trump when these people showed displeasure with him.
So I guess all these admirals are a just bunch of demented ultra left communists,  complaining that Trump did not starts some wars...
McRaven is apart of that, as he is part of the US-citizen, part of the universe: the left universe. The left universe Trump is fighting against....
And the Republican right also starts to keep some distance from Trump for he will probably loose the election.
Anywa, they never liked him until he became president..
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« Reply #2628 on: October 20, 2020, 11:21:38 am »

Trump rails against the entire government insidrs and entrenched bureaucracy include the military establishment.  The left has always complained about the military industrial complex that McRaven is part of and have gotten us involved in foreign adventures and wars. In another time they would be applauding Trump when these people showed displeasure with him.

Never mind Trump Alan, it's what you think of McRaven that I'm interested in...
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2629 on: October 20, 2020, 11:31:22 am »

What hysteria? We have some simple procedures for avoiding infection. The only hysteria I've seen is the reaction to the procedures.

This!
When the procedures are science-based and known effective measures against infections they are not the hysteria.
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« Reply #2630 on: October 20, 2020, 12:41:52 pm »

This is so incompetently stupid, it made me laugh out loud, https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/521784-exxon-after-trump-fundraising-comment-just-so-were-all-clear-it-never.

I guess Trump really thinks he can just say anything. It might work for a while, maybe, but in the long run it couldn't possibly hold up. Maybe he'll entertain us by tweeting that he'll go after them the way he went after so many others. Well the tweets happened, anyway. He was unhappy with Amazon for 15 minutes but I don't think they suffered much from his wrath.


I enjoyed the way Trump is continuing to publicly go after Fauci, calling him names like some schoolboy throwing a tantrum. I have to figure that even the most diehard Trumpeteer will eventually think it's unseemly for the President of the United States of America to call a respected senior civil names in public. I get it, he's unorthodox, but come on. Even if he means what he says about Fauci, you'd think the President should be able to find a better way to deal with the situation. Besides which, why is Trump campaigning against someone who is not running for office.


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« Reply #2631 on: October 20, 2020, 01:23:20 pm »

It often makes more sense to rent or borrow from someone else, rather than buy what you don't require on a regular basis.

Good one.   ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #2632 on: October 20, 2020, 01:24:06 pm »

Don't expect a response from the Trumplets. A while back I posted about a letter signed by 500 (yes, hundred) retired admirals, generals, and national security/diplomatic people, condemning Trump and endorsing Biden. The silence from the Trumpskis was deafening. They have a finely tuned ability to ignore inconvenient facts that cannot be denied.

I actually responded to that exact question you post Peter, just to let you know. 
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« Reply #2633 on: October 20, 2020, 01:25:32 pm »

Having a drink in a restaurant is not essential, but seldom lethal. Similarly, wearing a mask in an apple orchard is not essential, but relatively painless.

I dont care.  It was a beautiful fall day, and I am not sacrificing it by breathing recycled humid breath just because some people out there have gone done the mask rabbit hole.  If you dont like that I refuse to wear a mask in a orchard or a forest, I really dont care anymore.  I just dont. 

I'll wear a mask around the elderly and inside interior businesses that require it of me.  Other than that, I'm just not doing it. 
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #2634 on: October 20, 2020, 01:47:11 pm »

Don't expect a response from the Trumplets. A while back I posted about a letter signed by 500 (yes, hundred) retired admirals, generals, and national security/diplomatic people, condemning Trump and endorsing Biden. The silence from the Trumpskis was deafening. They have a finely tuned ability to ignore inconvenient facts that cannot be denied.

That is simply because you only get your news from one side. There are numerous letter of Trump support from equally respectable people, police  across the country, etc., but you won't hear about that on CNN et al.
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« Reply #2635 on: October 20, 2020, 02:22:33 pm »

That is simply because you only get your news from one side. There are numerous letter of Trump support from equally respectable people, police  across the country, etc., but you won't here about that on CNN et al.

You tried hard....but you just couldn't stay away!  :)

I also tried and failed. :-\
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« Reply #2636 on: October 20, 2020, 02:46:06 pm »

You tried hard....but you just couldn't stay away!  :)

I also tried and failed. :-\

I am still trying... biting my lip hard ;)

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« Reply #2637 on: October 20, 2020, 02:50:09 pm »

That is simply because you only get your news from one side. There are numerous letter of Trump support from equally respectable people, police  across the country, etc., but you won't hear about that on CNN et al.

To elaborate: if the country is roughly split 50/50, it stands to reason that most many segments of the society would be approximately the same. That is, it is to be expected that 50% of, say, retired generals, or diplomats, or whatever would be against Trump. Now, if you only watch CNN, you will hear only about those. The same for Fox News, though I can see more "opposite" news there than on CNN (just my personal, anecdotal observation).

EDIT: changed "most" into many, to avoid smart-ass comments by some  ;)
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« Reply #2638 on: October 20, 2020, 03:37:41 pm »

To elaborate: if the country is roughly split 50/50, it stands to reason that most segments of the society would be approximately the same. That is, it is to be expected that 50% of, say, retired generals, or diplomats, or whatever would be against Trump. Now, if you only watch CNN, you will hear only about those. The same for Fox News, though I can see more "opposite" news there than on CNN (just my personal, anecdotal observation).

I agree that you get more opposition news on Fox. There's a reason for that -- much of Fox is so crazy, so embarrassing, that a few of their talking heads, and probably producers, realize how stupid and crazy they sound, and try to claw their way back to something resembling sanity. I suspect they're looking forward to a time when they may need to find new jobs with other networks, and lying night after night will probably not look good on their resumes, and they'll wind up pitching fake diamonds on QVC.

Look, there's no real debate about the best ways to deal with covid-19, even if there are no "good" ways, there's no real argument that global warming isn't caused by human activity (though there may be all kinds of arguments about possible remedies, if remedies are needed at all,) there's no reason to "lock up" Obama or most other Democratic politicians, even if you disagree with their policies, but Fox never gets off this stuff. I believe that it could come back to bite them in the butt -- the eventually, nobody will watch but a dwindling group of Trumpolas and conspiracy freaks, which would not be attractive to advertisers. And honestly, I don't know of big groups of people we'd generally consider "honorable" -- like retired top generals, or Nobel-winning economists, or epidemiologists, who've signed letters supporting Trump. Maybe they're out there, but I don't see them because I tend to watch CNN...but, I kinda think that they're not out there.

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« Reply #2639 on: October 20, 2020, 03:42:44 pm »

Never mind Trump Alan, it's what you think of McRaven that I'm interested in...
I think he was a fine officer and great at killing American enemies.  He's also a politician looking for a job with the Biden administration.
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