US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[James Clark]

They want Americans to vote for a mentally limited president. 

You've been advocating for that for 4+ years.  What your point?

[Alan Klein]

Maybe a lot of stuff. Or maybe not.

Pelosi and the Democrats are coordinating with the Biden campaign.  Not much happens if it wasn't planned.

[Alan Klein]

You've been advocating for that for 4+ years.  What your point?

You can say all you want about Trump.  But he's on his game. 

[faberryman]

Pelosi and the Democrats are coordinating with the Biden campaign.  Not much happens if it wasn't planned.

Tell me something: are you an adherent to QAnon? Could you tell me if you were, or is everyone sworn to secrecy?

[Alan Klein]

Tell me something: are you an adherent to QAnon? Could you tell me if you were, or is everyone sworn to secrecy?

What is that?

[Craig Lamson]

You've been advocating for that for 4+ years.  What your point?

Ours is better than yours....

[faberryman]

What is that?

As I suspected.

[Alan Klein]

What's QAnon?

[James Clark]

Ours is better than yours....

Agree to disagree

[Peter McLennan]

You can say all you want about Trump.  But he's on his game.

What game is that?  Golf?  He cheats. 
The guy cheats at golf and you want him as your leader?

[PeterAit]

What game is that?  Golf?  He cheats. 
The guy cheats at golf and you want him as your leader?

Before Trump got into politics he invited one of his high-level executives to play golf. The guy's teenage son, a pretty good golfer, joined them. And as the round went on, the kid was beating Trump who then--you got it--began to cheat. It was obvious, and the kid took his dad aside and asked about it. He's my boss, said the dad, so we can't say anything. So the smirking cheeto "won."

[Alan Klein]

Before Trump got into politics he invited one of his high-level executives to play golf. The guy's teenage son, a pretty good golfer, joined them. And as the round went on, the kid was beating Trump who then--you got it--began to cheat. It was obvious, and the kid took his dad aside and asked about it. He's my boss, said the dad, so we can't say anything. So the smirking cheeto "won."

Biden has cheated in more serious ways than golf.

He plagiarized South Korean, British and American politicians' speeches including JFK which forced him to  stop his campaign for president in 1987.  He plagiarized in law school.  He was caught and the college flunked him forcing him to repeat the course. He even plagiarized Trump. 


Joe Biden's Plagiarism Problem
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/07/23/joe_bidens_plagiarism_problem_143788.html

[faberryman]

Before Trump got into politics he invited one of his high-level executives to play golf. The guy's teenage son, a pretty good golfer, joined them. And as the round went on, the kid was beating Trump who then--you got it--began to cheat. It was obvious, and the kid took his dad aside and asked about it. He's my boss, said the dad, so we can't say anything. So the smirking cheeto "won."

There is nothing like golf to reveal the true character of an individual.

[faberryman]

Biden has cheated in more serious ways than golf.

Notice the whataboutism. Unable to defend the indefensible - Trump cheating at golf - Alan deflects the conversation to Biden.

[James Clark]

Biden has cheated in more serious ways than golf.

He even plagiarized Trump. 

That WOULD explain his occasional incoherence.

[Alan Klein]

Notice the whataboutism. Unable to defend the indefensible - Trump cheating at golf - Alan deflects the conversation to Biden.

I responded to this point in the other thread.  I called Trump's cheating at golf immoral and possibly illegal. But Biden's plagiarism was illegal and he failed the course when caught and had to repeat it in law college.  He also had to pull out of the 1988 presidential election when he was caught plagiarizing a UK minister, JFK, the South Korean PM, and others.

Look, I'm not defending Trump's often unethical ways.  But Biden has done many professional and personal things his mother wouldn't be proud of either.  And we have to pick one or the other.  Neither have clean hands.  So we have to use other guidelines to make our selection. 

[faberryman]

I responded to this point in the other thread.  I called Trump's cheating at golf immoral and possibly illegal. But Biden's plagiarism was illegal and he failed the course when caught and had to repeat it in law college.  He also had to pull out of the 1988 presidential election when he was caught plagiarizing a UK minister, JFK, the South Korean PM, and others.

Look, I'm not defending Trump's often unethical ways.  But Biden has done many professional and personal things his mother wouldn't be proud of either.  And we have to pick one or the other.  Neither have clean hands.  So we have to use other guidelines to make our selection.

It is still whataboutism. It is a logical fallacy in argumentation. We were discussing Trump cheating at golf. Instead of addressing the issue, you tried to change the subject to avoid responding. I can readily understand your motive. Cheating at golf is indefensible. Doesn't make it any less a logical fallacy.

By the way, when did plagiarizing become "illegal"? Perhaps you can point me to the appropriate criminal statute.

[Alan Klein]

It is still whataboutism.

By the way, when did plagiarizing become "illegal"? Perhaps you can point me to the appropriate criminal statute.

A few Americans just went to jail for hiring people to test for their kids entrance exams or deceive others to get into college.  Using other peoples materials to pass grades especially in order to get a law degree is probably illegal in some jurisdictions.  It would be like getting someone to take the bar exam in your place.  In any case, I can't believe you're defending Biden's stealing other's intellectual thoughts and product to pass law school and plagiarize speeches of others to become president.  Of course the fake news biased media ignore Biden's cheating.   

[jeremyrh]

A few Americans just went to jail for hiring people to test for their kids entrance exams or deceive others to get into college.  Using other peoples materials to pass grades especially in order to get a law degree is probably illegal in some jurisdictions.  It would be like getting someone to take the bar exam in your place.  In any case, I can't believe you're defending Biden's stealing other's intellectual thoughts and product to pass law school and plagiarize speeches of others to become president.  Of course the fake news biased media ignore Biden's cheating.

Is everyone forgetting Mrs Trump.lifting Michelle Obama's speech word for word?

[Craig Lamson]

Is everyone forgetting Mrs Trump.lifting Michelle Obama's speech word for word?

Word for word?