US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[Ray]

I don't know. But I'm confident that the medical science advice that he gets will be from actual experts in their field and not some guy that hawks pillows on TV that's discovered a miracle cure or graduates from Dunning Kruger University that prefer to pontificate online instead of participating in peer review.

Don't you know that actual experts in their field frequently disagree on many issues? That's the nature of science, especially when the issue is complex and uncertain.

[Peter McLennan]

Don't you know that actual experts in their field frequently disagree on many issues? That's the nature of science, especially when the issue is complex and uncertain.

Yes, Ray.  We do know that.

[jeremyrh]

Don't you know that actual experts in their field frequently disagree on many issues? That's the nature of science, especially when the issue is complex and uncertain.

Indeed, but just because experts disagree that's no reason to drink bleach, or whatever the nutters are telling us to do today.

[kers]

Listening to the speakers ( shouters) at the Republican convention it will be Armageddon if Biden is chosen as president.
Fortunately there is a Trump alternative.
I can't remember it was Armageddon when he was vice president, I guess Obama reduced the danger during these 8 years.

[Frans Waterlander]

Listening to the speakers ( shouters) at the Republican convention it will be Armageddon if Biden is chosen as president.
Fortunately there is a Trump alternative.
I can't remember it was Armageddon when he was vice president, I guess Obama reduced the danger during these 8 years.

Pity those who have eyes but cannot see.

[kers]

Pity those who have eyes but cannot see.

Imagine ; being a photographer

[PeterAit]

The Illuminati?   Noooo, say it ain't so.

Better the illuminati than the illiterati  .

[BernardLanguillier]

Listening to the speakers ( shouters) at the Republican convention it will be Armageddon if Biden is chosen as president.
Fortunately there is a Trump alternative.
I can't remember it was Armageddon when he was vice president, I guess Obama reduced the danger during these 8 years.

We are at a point where the Republican discourse is completely disconnected from reality.

When Trump looks at a sign where “yes” is written. He looks you in the eye and says “the signs says No”. And calls liers the media saying “the sign says Yes”. There is no more hope to have those guys deliver anything valuable ever.

The only question to me, that would separate them between idiots or monsters, is whether they believe their own lies.

So whatever they say about Biden, Michael Jackson or the Dalailama is irrelevant because they have made their speech irrelevant by deconnecting it from reality.

Cheers,
Bernard

[Paulo Bizarro]

We are at a point where the Republican discourse is completely disconnected from reality.

When Trump looks at a sign where “yes” is written. He looks you in the eye and says “the signs says No”. And calls liers the media saying “the sign says Yes”. There is no more hope to have those guys deliver anything valuable ever.

The only question to me, that would separate them between idiots or monsters, is whether they believe their own lies.

So whatever they say about Biden, Michael Jackson or the Dalailama is irrelevant because they have made their speech irrelevant by deconnecting it from reality.

Cheers,
Bernard

They live in their made up world. In the meantime, we have a boycot in the NBA due to the Blake shooting.

[Ray]

Yes, Ray.  We do know that.

But how do you know which experts' advice to follow, whether you are a politician or not?

[faberryman]

But how do you know which experts' advice to follow, whether you are a politician or not?

You seem like a bright guy. I suspect you have followed an expert's recommendation in the past and you are still alive, so I would go with whatever worked for you before. There is very little certainty in life, so you can only do your best, knowing that you and others will make mistakes.

[Robert Roaldi]

But how do you know which experts' advice to follow, whether you are a politician or not?

Ask Alan K., he worries about this a lot so he must have a best practice.

[Alan Klein]

Ask Alan K., he worries about this a lot so he must have a best practice.

I check with my wife.

[John Camp]

Washington Post today:

"Trump has now visited his own properties 270 times as president, according to a Washington Post tally — with another visit planned for Thursday, when he is scheduled to meet GOP donors at his Washington hotel.
Through these trips, Trump has brought the Trump Organization a stream of private revenue from federal agencies and GOP campaign groups. Federal spending records show that taxpayers have paid Trump’s businesses more than $900,000 since he took office. At least $570,000 came as a result of the president’s travel, according to a Post analysis."

"In addition, campaign finance records have provided new details about the payments the Trump Organization received from GOP groups, as a result of the 37 instances in which Trump headlined a political event at one of his properties. Those visits have brought the company at least $3.8 million in fees, according to a Post analysis of campaign spending records."

A million here, a million there, pretty soon you're talking about real money.

[Alan Klein]

Washington Post today:

"Trump has now visited his own properties 270 times as president, according to a Washington Post tally — with another visit planned for Thursday, when he is scheduled to meet GOP donors at his Washington hotel.
Through these trips, Trump has brought the Trump Organization a stream of private revenue from federal agencies and GOP campaign groups. Federal spending records show that taxpayers have paid Trump’s businesses more than $900,000 since he took office. At least $570,000 came as a result of the president’s travel, according to a Post analysis."

"In addition, campaign finance records have provided new details about the payments the Trump Organization received from GOP groups, as a result of the 37 instances in which Trump headlined a political event at one of his properties. Those visits have brought the company at least $3.8 million in fees, according to a Post analysis of campaign spending records."

A million here, a million there, pretty soon you're talking about real money.

Well, I've offered my house.  But the White House says the president prefers his house.

[Alan Klein]

The Democrats are really worried. Looks like Biden doesn't want to show his senility.  They want Americans to vote for a mentally limited president. 

Pelosi says Biden shouldn't debate Trump
https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/pelosi-biden-trump-debates/index.html

[faberryman]

The Democrats are really worried. Looks like Biden doesn't want to show his senility.  They want Americans to vote for a mentally limited president.

From the article you linked:

"Asked later Thursday on MSNBC if he would consider not debating Trump, Biden replied, "No. As long as the Commission (on Presidential Debates) continues down the straight and narrow as they have, I'm going to debate him."

"I know for certain, I'm gonna be a fact-checker on the floor while I'm debating him," he added.

Responding to Pelosi's comments, Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said the campaign certainly agrees with the speaker's views of Trump's behavior.

"But just as she has powerfully confronted that behavior in the Oval Office and the Cabinet Room, Joe Biden looks forward to doing the same on the debate stage," Bates said in a statement Thursday."

[Alan Klein]

Interesting that Trump's job approval has gone up - to 52% including 36% among Blacks and 37% among Hispanics.   Don't know how this translate to votes as he's still behind but not as much.  Also, 55% of Americans think that Biden is in the first stages of senility.  Considering he's only a couple of years older than me, that's not very comforting. 
https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/952-the-zogby-poll-new-trump-job-approval-numbers

[Alan Klein]

From the article you linked:

"Asked later Thursday on MSNBC if he would consider not debating Trump, Biden replied, "No. As long as the Commission (on Presidential Debates) continues down the straight and narrow as they have, I'm going to debate him."

"I know for certain, I'm gonna be a fact-checker on the floor while I'm debating him," he added.

Responding to Pelosi's comments, Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said the campaign certainly agrees with the speaker's views of Trump's behavior.

"But just as she has powerfully confronted that behavior in the Oval Office and the Cabinet Room, Joe Biden looks forward to doing the same on the debate stage," Bates said in a statement Thursday."

Maybe Pelosi floated up a trial balloon to see how people would react and got too many negatives.  So Biden came back strongly affirming he'll be at the debate.  Or it's still a possibility.  Or, Biden will do OK in the debates, so they're figuring that would be a knockout against Trump who should not overplay his hand with Biden's possible incapacitates.

[faberryman]

Maybe Pelosi floated up a trial balloon to see how people would react and got too many negatives.  So Biden came back strongly affirming he'll be at the debate.  Or it's still a possibility.  Or, Biden will do OK in the debates, so they're figuring that would be a knockout against Trump who should not overplay his hand with Biden's possible incapacitates.

Maybe a lot of stuff. Or maybe not.