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JoeKitchen

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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #1140 on: August 25, 2020, 08:36:34 am »

... and *THAT* is so bleedin’ obvious that it beggars belief that it still needs repeating.

Alan Klein, 
please, please - read more, post less.

What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside, like you are suggesting for the entire population.  Put in measures to make it easier for those who need to, to get services that allow them to do so, like food delivery.  If staying inside works so well to keep the elderly from catching it, than it should not matter if only they stay inside or if everyone does.  But only the former allows people to get back on to living, whereas the latter punishes everyone. 

All this makes me think of a recent job I did in a Jamaican neighborhood.  I was outside in front of an old run down store capturing a super wide pano of the street.  Anyway, the sidewalk in front of this store has become the neighborhood hang out since no one is using the store front anymore (typical city life FYI).  About 15 people were out there in folding chairs, most 50 or older, smoking weed, passing it back and forth, a couple had flasks, there was an intense domino game happening, none with any masks on.  I had a mask on initially, but took it off after seeing this, because, what's the point.  It turns out, many in the hood liked my Akubra hat, came over to talk to me and shake my hand like the last 6 months had never happened; I did not refuse them.  Two of the production people came, and same deal.  The DP showed up and same deal.   

Point being, no body wants lockdowns anymore except for White Liberal Elites, the same people everyone in the country ended up voting against in 2016, and you guys are doing it all over again.  Not just with this either, but all the defund the Police talk too; 80% of blacks want policing to remain the same or increased. 

As Elon Musk recently put it, "the Left is losing the middle."
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« Reply #1141 on: August 25, 2020, 08:49:37 am »

Quote from: Manoli on 24 August 2020, 23:01:43
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... and *THAT* is so bleedin’ obvious that it beggars belief that it still needs repeating.

What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside, like you are suggesting for the entire population.  Put in measures to make it easier for those who need to, to get services that allow them to do so, like food delivery.  If staying inside works so well to keep the elderly from catching it, than it should not matter if only they stay inside or if everyone does.  But only the former allows people to get back on to living, whereas the latter punishes everyone.

You tried, Manoli, you tried.
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Re: US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)
« Reply #1142 on: August 25, 2020, 08:50:02 am »

Biden said that he would be "prepared to do whatever it takes" to save lives and control the virus and would shut down if scientists determine that's what is needed.

Did Biden mention what the percentage of scientists recommending the shut-down would cause him to comply? A greater than 50% consensus, or a perhaps a 97% consensus?  ;D
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« Reply #1143 on: August 25, 2020, 09:00:57 am »

FYI, I'm not one to watch political conventions of either side since I have better things to do, like putting my face into a blender.  I watched the highlights from last week and looking over the highlights of last night. 

Doom and gloom, vs. inspiration and uplifting seem to be the contrast.  I particularly liked Tim Scott's line, "my family went from cotton to congress in one lifetime."  That's going to resinate with people more then the entirety of last week will. 
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« Reply #1144 on: August 25, 2020, 09:24:13 am »

^

Heads up, cowboy, you seem to have clipped your footer.

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« Reply #1145 on: August 25, 2020, 09:44:48 am »

Marina Hyde has an excellent take on the RNC and its portrayal of "family values"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/25/trumps-republicans-family-don-rnc-americans-conway
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« Reply #1146 on: August 25, 2020, 09:46:56 am »

^

Heads up, cowboy, you seem to have clipped your footer.

A limit on the amount of characters has been implemented and I cant seem to put the entire quote back in. 
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« Reply #1147 on: August 25, 2020, 09:48:35 am »

Marina Hyde has an excellent take on the RNC and its portrayal of "family values"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/25/trumps-republicans-family-don-rnc-americans-conway

Ahhh yes, lets make fun of someone's family issue when an underage child is involved.  Real class act!  Do you also steal candy from a baby? 
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« Reply #1148 on: August 25, 2020, 10:21:16 am »

A limit on the amount of characters has been implemented and I cant seem to put the entire quote back in.

You could try 1% and 99%, or is that just too left field for a cowboy?

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« Reply #1149 on: August 25, 2020, 10:34:43 am »

You could try 1% and 99%, or is that just too left field for a cowboy?

;-)

Well, according to my grade school grammer teacher, numerals less then 10 should always be spelled, and if you spell one numeral, you should have them all spelled.  But anyway, even with the numerals, the quote I think would be too long, but I'll give it a try. 
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« Reply #1150 on: August 25, 2020, 10:45:16 am »

What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside,

“LOCK THEM UP!”
“LOCK THEM UP!”
“LOCK THEM UP!”



As for your recent work experience, Joe, I spent most of my career on movie sets.  They’re not exactly paragons of excellent social behaviour.

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« Reply #1151 on: August 25, 2020, 11:02:36 am »

Speaking of dysfunctional families, imagine facing this over your Cornflakes

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« Reply #1152 on: August 25, 2020, 11:06:41 am »

What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside, like you are suggesting for the entire population.  Put in measures to make it easier for those who need to, to get services that allow them to do so, like food delivery.  If staying inside works so well to keep the elderly from catching it, than it should not matter if only they stay inside or if everyone does.  But only the former allows people to get back on to living, whereas the latter punishes everyone. 

All this makes me think of a recent job I did in Mt Vernon, a heavily Jamaican neighborhood, last week.  I was outside in front of an old run down out of business furniture store capturing a super wide pano of the street to be used in a backdrop print for a sound stage.  (No, I cant tell you for what TV show, but it is for one of the top 5 currently.)  But anyway, the sidewalk in front of this store has become the neighborhood hang out since no one is using the store front anymore (typical city life FYI).  About 15 people were out there in folding chairs, most 50 or older, smoking weed, passing it back and forth, a couple had flasks, there was an intense domino game happening, none with any masks on.  I had a mask on initially, but took it off after seeing this, because, what's the point.  It turns out, many in the hood liked my Akubra hat, came over to talk to me and shake my hand like the last 6 months had never happened; I did not refuse them.  Two of the production people came, and same deal.  The DP showed up without any mask to be seen at all and started elbow bumping & shaking hands with everyone on the sidewalk, BSing up a storm.  (They have been filming there for a while and he has gotten to know many in the neighborhood.) 

Point being, no body wants lockdowns anymore except for White Liberal Elites, the same people everyone in the country ended up voting against in 2016, and you guys are doing it all over again.  Not just with this either, but all the defund the Police talk too; 80% of blacks want policing to remain the same or increased. 

As Elon Musk recently put it, "the Left is losing the middle."
Joe, you don't owe anyone any apologies, not that you're giving them.  You think people here especially would be happy to see a pro photographer still working and not depending on hand-outs. It was hard enough for working photographers before the virus. 

Curious how many here complaining about you working have a comfy job that allows them to work from home, safe, without the need for a mask? They're able to feed their families without risk.

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« Reply #1153 on: August 25, 2020, 11:33:54 am »

You think people here especially would be happy to see a pro photographer still working and not depending on hand-outs.

Who among us have complained that Joe is working?
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« Reply #1154 on: August 25, 2020, 11:40:27 am »

“LOCK THEM UP!”
“LOCK THEM UP!”
“LOCK THEM UP!”



As for your recent work experience, Joe, I spent most of my career on movie sets.  They’re not exactly paragons of excellent social behaviour.

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Aside from myself, the DP and two production guys, the rest of the people in my story were just neighborhood folks hanging out and enjoying the nice evening.  So no, I was not basing my observation on the production crew, but just normal people getting on with life. 

Insofar as lock them up, your side is proposing locking everyone up regardless.  I am not proposing locking anyone up, just that it is a free country and if you are fearful you are free to lock yourself up. 
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« Reply #1155 on: August 25, 2020, 11:44:07 am »

Joe, you don't owe anyone any apologies, not that you're giving them.  You think people here especially would be happy to see a pro photographer still working and not depending on hand-outs. It was hard enough for working photographers before the virus. 

Curious how many here complaining about you working have a comfy job that allows them to work from home, safe, without the need for a mask? They're able to feed their families without risk.

And that's the crux of it.  If they can work at home and stay locked up, then everyone should be locked up too.  As Andrew Yang said recently, the Dems say they have the best ideas and then act like if you don't agree that's on you. 

I am sure many more on here would be upset to hear my wife and I have eaten out at restaurants a half dozen times or so in the last month, indoors even.  We also hosted two dinner parties, family only, one last night.  (The pork belly came out amazing; cooked it with fennel and mustard seed.) 

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« Reply #1156 on: August 25, 2020, 12:28:59 pm »


What needs repeating is that those who are fearful can stay inside, like you are suggesting for the entire population.  Put in measures to make it easier for those who need to, to get services that allow them to do so, like food delivery.  If staying inside works so well to keep the elderly from catching it, than it should not matter if only they stay inside or if everyone does.  But only the former allows people to get back on to living, whereas the latter punishes everyone. 


And the stay-in old person gets covid from the food delivery person who got it from her brother who got it during a photo shoot.


...the same people everyone in the country ended up voting against in 2016


If "everyone" means a significant minority of voters, then this is true.

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« Reply #1157 on: August 25, 2020, 01:07:32 pm »

And the stay-in old person gets covid from the food delivery person who got it from her brother who got it during a photo shoot.

If "everyone" means a significant minority of voters, then this is true.

Yawn. 

My neighbor is scared to death of this thing and has all of his food delivered.  He lets it sit outside for an hour before going out to get it, even if there is ice cream in the delivery.  As a matter of fact we, as a neighborhood, had to threaten reporting him to the city to get him to cut his grass after four months. 

So once again, this comment pretty much falls apart if you give it some thought. 
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« Reply #1158 on: August 25, 2020, 01:20:36 pm »

Hell, Joe, have the courage of your convictions, just go out and lick those handrails. You'll either get the virus, survive and have some immunity or you'll meet your maker. Either way it'll put you and us out of your misery.

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« Reply #1159 on: August 25, 2020, 01:29:17 pm »

Hell, Joe, have the courage of your convictions, just go out and lick those handrails. You'll either get the virus, survive and have some immunity or you'll meet your maker. Either way it'll put you and us out of your misery.

Lick handrails, Jesus, what kind of fetishes are you into? 

But anyway, I've been going out like it's 1999 for the past two months.  I ain't scare of no ghost, or dying from Covid.  That  is not to say I dont think I'll catch it, just that, given the stats, that I wont die or have any long term side effects if I do.
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