US Elections 2020 (geopolitics, informed debate, no ad hominems)

Biden

14 (66.7%)

Trump

7 (33.3%)

Total Members Voted: 21

Voting closed: November 02, 2020, 06:25:59 pm

[LesPalenik]

Further testimony to how far the ‘off-the-wall’ loons will go to.

Unfortunately, not only in USA. There are idiots and hateful deplorables everywhere.
In Canada, the BC's top doctor Bonnie Henry received abuse, death threats during COVID-19 response.

British Columbia’s top doctor said she’s received death threats in her role as a public figure during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry told a panel discussion at the annual convention of the Union of B.C. Municipalities that she’s had to have security in her home and has been targeted by people who don’t agree with her.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2020/09/22/bcs-top-doctor-says-shes-received-abuse-death-threats-during-covid-19-response.html

[Robert Roaldi]

Trump thinks that the Justice Department are his own personal attack lawyers, https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/521570-juan-williams-trumps-search-for-dirt-falls-flat.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... In Canada, the BC's top doctor Bonnie Henry received abuse, death threats during COVID-19 response...

Les, you seem to replicate the bad journalism these days. I made a mistake and wasted five minutes of my life clicking on the link provided... and yet... still didn't learn what is actually her position that invited death threats.

[Robert Roaldi]

Les, you seem to replicate the bad journalism these days. I made a mistake and wasted five minutes of my life clicking on the link provided... and yet... still didn't learn what is actually her position that invited death threats.

That might be because there isn't anything in her position that should invite death threats.

[faberryman]

It’s a brand new week, so it’s back to the newsfeed for updates. Apparently, the commie/lib media, not to mention the FBI, are continuing their coverup because I’m not finding anything other than one article covering Trump’s rally yesterday in I’ve forgotten where in which Trump referred to Hunter, Joe, and the rest of the gang as “the Biden crime family”. Not surprisingly, the crowd went completely apeshit and started chanting “lock her up”. But Trump was really on his toes and corrected them to say “lock them up”. So everyone in red hats looked around kind of sheepishly to see if anyone saw them chanting “lock her up”, shrugged their shoulders, and then went completely apeshit again, this time with the correct chant. Trump basks in glory.

With nothing left to lose I trekked on over to Infowars for an update on the story about Hunter Biden sexually abusing underage Chinese girls. God answered my prayers. They didn't have a link to the aforementioned sex tape. It was just way too early in the morning to have to watch that. However, they did have three or four salacious headlines, but the links only lead to video feeds of Alex Jones saying all manner of things which you are free to believe if you like. The first video I cued up had a two minute infomercial for kava, whatever that is. Maybe it is an energy pill like Underdog takes which makes Trump’s supporters’ apeshit frenzies even more frenetic, or apeshitic. Sorry guys, but I am done with Infowars.

Meanwhile, across America, undecideds are looking on in horror at this dystopian landscape, and thinking if they vote for Biden, maybe they can make this nightmare go away. Ever the optimists.

Anybody got anything that doesn’t have a two minute infomercial for kava, or are we done here?

[Craig Lamson]

It’s a brand new week, so it’s back to the newsfeed for updates. Apparently, the commie/lib media is continuing its coverup because I’m not finding anything other than one article covering Trump’s rally yesterday in I’ve forgotten where in which Trump referred to them as “the Biden crime family”. Not surprisingly, the crowd goes completely apeshit and starts chanting “lock her up”. But Trump is really on his toes and corrects them to say “lock them up”. So everyone in red hats looks around kind of sheepishly to see if anyone saw them chanting “lock her up” and kind of shrug their shoulders, and then go completely apeshit again, this time with the correct chant. Trump basks in glory.

With nothing left to lose I trek on over to Infowars for an update on the story about Hunter Biden sexually abusing underage Chinese girls. There are three or four salacious headlines, but the links only lead to video feeds of Alex Jones saying all manner of things which you are free to believe if you like. The first video I cue up has a two minute infomercial for kava, whatever that is. Maybe it is an energy pill like Underdog takes which will make Trump’s supporters’ apeshit frenzies even more frenetic, or apeshitic. Sorry guys, but I am done with Infowars.

Anybody got anything that doesn’t have a two minute infomercial for kava, or are we done here?

Oh no, I think we are just getting started but your mileage may vary.  Since the MSM is in pure cover up mode perhaps you need to go elsewhere for more news. 

You may not like Breitbart but there is a lot there.

https://www.breitbart.com/tag/hunter-biden/

BTW look at todays OP ED by Andrew McCarthy..

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/521637-hunter-bidens-laptop-a-russian-trick-a-hack-job-or-just-what-it-looks

[faberryman]

Thanks for the links. I have a doctors appointment to attend to, but I'll read those links when I get back.

[Alan Klein]

I know Peter.  Trump has never done anything right.  Howe about getting two Arab countries and Israel to make peace? If Obama did that, he would have gotten a second Nobel peace prize.

It looks like peace with Israel continues to break out in the Middle East.  Pretty soon the whole Middle East will be breaking matzah together. Trump will be up for another Nobel as the NY Times and Washington Post proclaim his fame in page 1 headlines. 

Israel, Bahrain sign deal establishing formal ties

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel and Bahrain on Sunday agreed to establish formal diplomatic relations, making the small Gulf country the fourth Arab state to normalize ties with Israel.

The U.S.-brokered agreement capped a one-day visit by a high-level delegation of American and Israeli officials to Bahrain.

Bahrain joined the United Arab Emirates at a festive White House ceremony last month marking the “Abraham Accords,” a pair of U.S.-brokered diplomatic pacts with Israel. While the UAE’s deal with Israel formally established ties, the agreement with Bahrain was less detailed and included a mutual pledge to follow suit.

Sunday’s visit appeared to complete that task, clearing the way for the countries to open embassies and exchange ambassadors in the coming months.

“It was indeed an historic visit, to start opening relations between both countries, to have fruitful bilateral relations in both fields,” said Bahrain’s foreign minister, Abdullatif al-Zayani, at the signing ceremony.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s national security adviser, Meir Ben-Shabbat, led the delegations.
https://apnews.com/article/bahrain-israel-saudi-arabia-benjamin-netanyahu-manama-c096793c544ab25568286bbcb2e9c3af

 

[jeremyrh]

It looks like peace with Israel continues to break out in the Middle East.  Pretty soon the whole Middle East will be breaking matzah together. Trump will be up for another Nobel as the NY Times and Washington Post proclaim his fame in page 1 headlines. 

I don't recall Bahrain playing a big role in the Middle East wars of the past 70 years.  Pretty soon Trump will be brokering a peace treaty between Togo and the Faroe Islands and useful idiots will be singing his praises.

[LesPalenik]

Les, you seem to replicate the bad journalism these days. I made a mistake and wasted five minutes of my life clicking on the link provided... and yet... still didn't learn what is actually her position that invited death threats.

Dr. Bonnie Henry is a very sweet lady responsible for handling Covid-19 activities in British Columbia. You would think she'd be the last person receiving death threats.

Bonnie Henry FRCPC (born 1965/1966)[1] is a Canadian physician who is the Provincial Health Officer for British Columbia, the first woman in this position. Henry is also a clinical associate professor at the University of British Columbia. She was a family doctor and is a specialist in public health and preventive medicine (also known as community medicine).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Henry

[Alan Klein]

That's not what Peter said, Alan.   He said 95%, not 100%.  Even if you agree that Trump was responsible for "getting two Arab countries and Israel to make peace"[/i] (which is highly debatable) that falls within the 5% of stuff he's done that's not corrupt, venal, disrespectful, hateful, illegal or harmful to America's (and the world's)  interests.

Why do you hate Trump so much as a Western Canadian?

See my last post.  Why can't you even give him credit for helping with peace in the Middle East?  When you refuse to see anything he does as positive, it just makes your whole position as suspicious and biased even with things that you can show as negative.  You're like the boy who cried "wolf".  I wonder how many Americans discount all the bile against him because it seems like people yelling "wolf" all the time.  Maybe that's why so many things don't stick to him.  You overdo it. 

[Manoli]

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[Alan Klein]

The Washington Post reports that Democrats are far out-raising the Republicans in the money race this year. I gave a few thousand dollars to candidates this year, mostly to Biden but also to Bullock and Hickenlooper, and when I got up this morning and opened my email, I had 111 new emails -- two from a friend with photos of deer in his yard, and 109 from Democratic politicians pleading for money. And yet, the WAPO says they're awash in cash. Quite a few of the pleas have headlines that are grossly misleading or simply lying. One had a headline that said, "It's over -- Joe Biden loses." When you look zt it, it's a plea for money for Texas congressional races, and I don't live in Texas, and had never heard of the candidates. I've got the ugly feeling that this might not go away after the election, as we now seem to be in a never-ending election cycle.

WAPO:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/18/democrats-stunning-fundraising/

Now that Democrats are getting more campaign money than Republicans, I find it interesting that you don't hear Democrats complaining anymore about how money in politics corrupts it.  I haven't heard Citizens United uttered once in months since Democrat billionaire businessman Bloomberg promised to spend $100 million securing Florida for Biden. I'm sure he'll never ask for favors from Biden or the Democratic party.  He's doing it all out of the generosity in his heart.  What a guy!

Do you see any hypocrisy in all of this? 

[Peter McLennan]

Why do you hate Trump so much as a Western Canadian?

He cheats and lies universally and transparently.

[MattBurt]

I hate the money in politics and how money = votes. I'm officially an independent but definitely voting Democrat this time around.
I really want to see some real campaign finance reform once we have Democrats in power and I'll be adding to any pressures I can to help push it along.

It almost feels dirty to have to participate just in hopes that my preferred candidates will do something about it.
But this is currently the game to be played to get elected, as distasteful as it is.

[Alan Klein]

Not the experts...never believe the experts. I've had great results listening to my barber for financial advice.

A word of caution about taking stock market advice.

JFK’s father and the helpful shoeshine boy
I mentioned that there isn’t anyone who rings a bell for us at the top to tell us that it’s time to sell.

That isn’t fully accurate, because there are always signs.

The trouble with those signs is that while they are very obvious with the benefit of hindsight, they aren’t so easy to see in real time.

In 1929, JFK’s father Joseph Kennedy Sr. picked up on one of those subtle signs and didn’t just get out at the top, he scored a massive windfall on the way down as well.

Like for virtually anyone invested in the stock market, the 1920s were good to Joseph Kennedy Sr.  How could they not be, all you had to do was buy all the stock you could and watch it go up.

After having made a bundle owning stocks in the roaring bull market of the 1920’s, Joe Kennedy Sr. found himself needing to get his shoes polished up.

While sitting in the shoeshine chair, Kennedy Sr. was alarmed to have the shoeshine boy gift him with several tips on which stocks he should own — yes, a shoeshine boy playing the stock market.

This unsolicited advice resulted in a life-changing moment for Kennedy Sr. who promptly went back to his office and started unloading his stock portfolio.

In fact, he didn’t just get out of the market, he aggressively shorted it — and got filthy rich because of it during the epic crash that soon followed.

They don’t ring bells at the top, but apparently when shoeshine boys start giving stock advice it is time to head for the exits.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-spot-stock-market-bubbles-2017-10

[Alan Klein]

Les, you seem to replicate the bad journalism these days. I made a mistake and wasted five minutes of my life clicking on the link provided... and yet... still didn't learn what is actually her position that invited death threats.

She claimed it was just that she was a female that partly invited the threats:

Henry said she believes it’s partly due to her status as a woman in a high-profile position, and that people feel comfortable targeting her in ways they would not necessarily do to male leaders.

“I sense that people find that it’s OK to do that for a woman who’s up front more so than some of our male leaders. But I could be wrong,” she said.

[Alan Klein]

That might be because there isn't anything in her position that should invite death threats.

You didn't read the article did you?   

[Alan Klein]

I don't recall Bahrain playing a big role in the Middle East wars of the past 70 years.  Pretty soon Trump will be brokering a peace treaty between Togo and the Faroe Islands and useful idiots will be singing his praises.

The Saudis are very close to an public agreement with Israel.  They're already doing security stuff, but quietly.  After Egypt which made peace with Israel years ago, they're the biggest.  If that happens, Trump will be up for his third Nobel. 

[Alan Klein]

Dr. Bonnie Henry is a very sweet lady responsible for handling Covid-19 activities in British Columbia. You would think she'd be the last person receiving death threats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnie_Henry

  Are you sure those aren't  former Americans who left the US after Trump became president 4 years ago?