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[pschefz]

America doesn't put people in jail for freely speaking their minds.  It says something when you can compare American liberties with Cuban tyranny.

Cuban tyranny....ah yes, random violent dictators swooping down and destroying civilized white empirealist endeavors....how dare these people elect one of their own to get rid of foreign powers depleting resources and abusing the local work force....Cuba, Iran, pick a country in middle America or africa....unless we swoop back in and replace those elected “tyrants” with our own dictator its just not ok at all....

[Craig Lamson]

Well, nobody likes to get hit with a frozen water bottle. Of course, if the federal officers (I am not sure exactly what they were) weren't there, they wouldn't have gotten hit. (the George Floyd defense) I don't remember any reports that the protesters were violent before the federal officers arrived. Maybe the protesters were simply defending themselves from the rubber bullets and tear gas. I don't know. I wasn't there. I don't think the video footage answers the question. Who are you going to believe?

It happened over a number of days.  So in your worldview the officers should have just stayed away and let the protestors do whatever to federal property?  I'm going to beleive the folks tasked with keeping the federal property safe and secure. 

[pschefz]

Well, nobody likes to get hit with a frozen water bottle. Of course, if the federal officers (I am not sure exactly what they were) weren't there, they wouldn't have gotten hit. (the George Floyd defense) I don't remember any reports that the protesters were violent before the federal officers arrived. Maybe the protesters were simply defending themselves from the rubber bullets and tear gas. I don't know. I wasn't there. I don't think the video footage answers the question. Who are you going to believe?

But if Cadet Bonespurs wants a photo op with a bible in front of a church, by all means clear the way.

I am not saying this is a black and white situation but i would definitely take the word of local officials and majors over people who are trying to spin the situation to fit their own twisted propaganda....

[Craig Lamson]

Yes, that makes sense....” I think I saw someone raising a fist or was it a bottle? Let’s teargas them all beat the shoot out of everyone, that will calm things down”

Not sure what planet you are on, but thankfully most Americans (even republicans) agreed that taking care of the root the problem and looking at what caused the protests (violent and non) in the first place will solve the problems....NOT sending in armed forces and police.....
Not surprising since that makes sense and usually works better in these situations....
Unless you are not interested in solving the issues and want to make sure “those people know their place”....

Yea, violence by the protestors is a sure sign there is a problem we can 'fix".  And exactly what is the root problem?  BLM?  You mean the self admitted marxist group intent on taking down America?  Its all theater, and reasonable people know that.

Clearly black lives don't matter to those on these protests.  Not many protesting over the massive loss of black lives, childern and adults in places like Chicago where other blacks are killing them at an alarming rate.

Wait, we can't blame that on "systemic racism" now can we?

[Craig Lamson]

I am not saying this is a black and white situation but i would definitely take the word of local officials and majors over people who are trying to spin the situation to fit their own twisted propaganda....

You mean like local officials and mayors? 

[pschefz]

It happened over a number of days.  So in your worldview the officers should have just stayed away and let the protestors do whatever to federal property?  I'm going to beleive the folks tasked with keeping the federal property safe and secure.

This makes no sense at all....worldwide experience and common sense shows us that the few in the crowd who want to turn the protest violent are just waiting for any sign of authority aggression to throw the first stone, everybody else just has to scramble to defend themselves from teargas and rubber bullets at that point.....
it blows my mind that the same people who don’t have a problem with white extremists running around with semi automatic weapons during demonstrations and running cars in to people (and who now want to defund the post office) All of a sudden really care about federal property being damaged.....

[pschefz]

Yea, violence by the protestors is a sure sign there is a problem we can 'fix".  And exactly what is the root problem?  BLM?  You mean the self admitted marxist group intent on taking down America?  Its all theater, and reasonable people know that.

Clearly black lives don't matter to those on these protests.  Not many protesting over the massive loss of black lives, childern and adults in places like Chicago where other blacks are killing them at an alarming rate.

Wait, we can't blame that on "systemic racism" now can we?

Well you are obviously part of a club that i honestly don’t want anything to do with....if you don’t see systemic racism in this country i don’t know what to say.....i guess this wasn’t the American natives country to begin with either and slavery really “wasn’t that bad” and we have no problem with race here at all....
Again: you are living on a different planet, some alternate universe....i visit that place a few days a week now just to get a glimpse of the madness....fox.com....

[Robert Roaldi]

Well, if you complain to the Cuban authorities about their process, they let you do the 14 day isolation in jail rather than a motel.  They feed you rice and beans.

You need to get yourself out of the 1950s red scare mentality. It was all a hoax. China and Vietnam are full of capitalist factories making shit that you buy. Including the device you're using to read this.

At the risk of going off-topic though, one thing that's been confusing me for years is, if the US has by any measure the largest number of people in prisons than almost anywhere, how come you still have criminals loose on the streets? I mean, haven't you caught them all yet? How can you have so many? Crime in the US must be an awfully attractive career choice. Any stats anywhere on how many Americans earn their income illegally? Must be a lot more than other countries or you wouldn't have so many people in jails, seems to me. Am I missing something.

And after all that, how come you haven't even made a dent in the illegal drug trade yet? I ask about that specifically because it's usually brought up as an example of a sector that attracts lots of criminal participants. You've had several "law & order" Presidents, or at least Presidents who say they are for the length of the press conference at least, so what happened. Don't they mean it.


And there's another question that has me curious, and this is even more off-topic I guess. I'd like to see a Venn diagram-type intersection of anti-vaxxers and people who buy illegal drugs. Wouldn't it be just too ironic if a significant number of people who refuse to use pharmaceutical vaccines are perfectly comfortable buying their dope from drug cartels?

[jeremyrh]

BLM?  You mean the self admitted marxist group intent on taking down America?  I

Oh really?  They have a manifesto?  Can I get a membership card from the branch secretary?

[Craig Lamson]

Oh really?  They have a manifesto?  Can I get a membership card from the branch secretary?

"Swain alluded to Black Lives Matter’s three co-founders, who are still featured prominently on the group’s website — Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza and Opal Tometi. Their primary backgrounds are as community organizers, artists and writers. Swain, though, was referring to a newly surfaced interview Cullors did in 2015, where she said:

"We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists. We are superversed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many Black folks."

[jeremyrh]

"Swain alluded to Black Lives Matter’s three co-founders, who are still featured prominently on the group’s website — Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza and Opal Tometi. Their primary backgrounds are as community organizers, artists and writers. Swain, though, was referring to a newly surfaced interview Cullors did in 2015, where she said:

"We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists. We are superversed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many Black folks."

You seem to be a bit confused. “Black lives matter” is a slogan used by people of all political backgrounds. If someone chooses to use those words as a name of some sort of organisation that means precisely zero.

(Readers interested to find out more, including the true context of Lameson’s quote, can find it here
https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/ )

[faberryman]

It happened over a number of days.  So in your worldview the officers should have just stayed away and let the protestors do whatever to federal property?

I think that conclusion is derived from the logical fallacy of false dilemma.

I'm going to beleive the folks tasked with keeping the federal property safe and secure.

It is certainly your prerogative to do so. I think history has shown that that is not always the best choice.

[Jeremy Roussak]

Unlike UK where you arrive at say Heathrow, no test, no temptation measurement, and then are supposed to get home without using public transport. Totally unrealistic and impracticable. Just like every other aspect of the UK govt response.

It's not clear that temptation measurement, even if possible, would be particularly useful, and temperature measurement isn't much more valuable; it merely allows people who want something to be done to feel that something is being done.

There's no prohibition on using public transport: see here.

Jeremy

[Craig Lamson]

You seem to be a bit confused. “Black lives matter” is a slogan used by people of all political backgrounds. If someone chooses to use those words as a name of some sort of organisation that means precisely zero.

No BLM is a political organization.  Try a little research.  They started the use of the term BLM and they continue to use it today. They collect lot of money using their organization.  In reality the political organization BLM is using the protestors, not the other way around.

[Craig Lamson]

I think that conclusion is derived from the logical fallacy of false dilemma.

It is certainly your prerogative to do so. I think history has shown that that is not always the best choice.

That conclusion was drawn from the words in your post

 "Of course, if the federal officers (I am not sure exactly what they were) weren't there, they wouldn't have gotten hit"

Yes history has shown us that the MSN has a real knack for warping the truth to fit their narrative.

[faberryman]

I am not saying this is a black and white situation but i would definitely take the word of local officials and majors over people who are trying to spin the situation to fit their own twisted propaganda....

If you have decided that the the other side is comprised of "people who are trying to spin the situation to fit their own twisted propaganda" it makes sense that you might want to take the word of officials and majors. Is that the case with respect to the protesters in Lafayette Park?

[Craig Lamson]

Well you are obviously part of a club that i honestly don’t want anything to do with....if you don’t see systemic racism in this country i don’t know what to say.....i guess this wasn’t the American natives country to begin with either and slavery really “wasn’t that bad” and we have no problem with race here at all....
Again: you are living on a different planet, some alternate universe....i visit that place a few days a week now just to get a glimpse of the madness....fox.com....

Wow, you must buy Kook-Aid by the case...

Its pretty clear you really don't know what to say.

[faberryman]

"Swain alluded to Black Lives Matter’s three co-founders, who are still featured prominently on the group’s website — Patrisse Cullors, Alicia Garza and Opal Tometi. Their primary backgrounds are as community organizers, artists and writers. Swain, though, was referring to a newly surfaced interview Cullors did in 2015, where she said:

"We do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia, in particular, are trained organizers; we are trained Marxists. We are superversed on, sort of, ideological theories. And I think what we really try to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many Black folks."

I don't have any idea who or what you are talking about. The people I see protesting do not appear by word or deed to be Marxist revolutionaries. Perhaps the movement has outgrown its original organizers.

[faberryman]

That conclusion was drawn from the words in your post

 "Of course, if the federal officers (I am not sure exactly what they were) weren't there, they wouldn't have gotten hit"

You kind of forgot the parenthetical at the end of the sentence

Yes history has shown us that the MSN has a real knack for warping the truth to fit their narrative.

I was thinking more of those in power.

I don't know what it is, but you always sound so angry. I know you are kicked back on your recliner and listening to "chill jazz," but it is hard for me to shake that impression. By the way, I am familiar with different kinds of jazz, but I have never heard of "chill jazz." Is it like smooth jazz or something?

[Jeremy Roussak]

We are drifting off topic again, chaps. If you want to bicker pointlessly about BLM, do it elsewhere.

Jeremy