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Re: What Will You Do During the Plague Year?
« Reply #80 on: March 23, 2020, 03:27:23 pm »

About a year ago, maybe two, there was a spate of podcasts, interviews, books releases, etc., about a few billionaires who were buying up desert compounds and building underground bunkers with long-term life support systems, getting ready for the end times.

Anybody hear about any silicone valley VCs dropping out of sight and paddling up the access doors?

Because someone is “clever” at inventing social media shit and marketing crap doesn’t mean they will be good in a real survival situation. I would rather go live with a bunch of subsistence farmers on the Tanzanian coast. They know how to get along without all sorts of stuff and they are actually nice people. I would rather bite the veins out of my own neck than be stuck in a bunker with Bezos and Zuckerberg.
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« Reply #81 on: March 24, 2020, 10:18:21 pm »

Because someone is “clever” at inventing social media shit and marketing crap doesn’t mean they will be good in a real survival situation. I would rather go live with a bunch of subsistence farmers on the Tanzanian coast. They know how to get along without all sorts of stuff and they are actually nice people. I would rather bite the veins out of my own neck than be stuck in a bunker with Bezos and Zuckerberg.

I would completely agree with this.  Farming is not as easy as Bloomberg would like us to believe.  Many pilgrims died throughout the ages because they did not bring someone with them who knew how to farm.  This was the case at Plymouth and, as I found out last month, the case in Sydney. 
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Re: What Will You Do During the Plague Year?
« Reply #82 on: March 24, 2020, 10:34:31 pm »

I did a fair amount of gardening today, with some odd stuff tomorrow.  It is suppose to rain though, so back inside. 

I have enough rennet for one more 6 gallon batch, and, assuming I can get the milk, I may whip up a wheel of Stilton.  I love blue cheese and have a wheel and half of Rochefort (about 15 lbs worth) in the fridge, but it just turns way too fast.  Stilton can be aged for quite a few months, so I think Stilton it is.  :D
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« Reply #83 on: March 26, 2020, 04:54:33 am »

I did a fair amount of gardening today, with some odd stuff tomorrow.  It is suppose to rain though, so back inside. 

I have enough rennet for one more 6 gallon batch, and, assuming I can get the milk, I may whip up a wheel of Stilton.  I love blue cheese and have a wheel and half of Rochefort (about 15 lbs worth) in the fridge, but it just turns way too fast.  Stilton can be aged for quite a few months, so I think Stilton it is.  :D


You are not going to survive on cheese.

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Re: What Will You Do During the Plague Year?
« Reply #84 on: March 26, 2020, 07:15:21 am »


You are not going to survive on cheese.

Well actually ...

The leading theory on why people of Europe and a small part of NW Africa developed lactose tolerance, whereas everyone else is lactose intolerant, was due to using dairy products as a way to combat against famine.  Of course this means a lot of people died from eating dairy who could not in those areas, leaving only those who could to pass along that gene.

If it worked for us in the past, can certainly work for us today. 
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« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2020, 09:44:16 am »

Well actually ...

The leading theory on why people of Europe and a small part of NW Africa developed lactose tolerance, whereas everyone else is lactose intolerant, was due to using dairy products as a way to combat against famine.  Of course this means a lot of people died from eating dairy who could not in those areas, leaving only those who could to pass along that gene.

If it worked for us in the past, can certainly work for us today.



I enjoyed it too much too; then it bit my ass by trying to kill me with cholesterol - twice. And I had instanly changed my ways as I left hospital the first time.

To expand: after my wife died, I thought about resuming the trans-France drives we had both enjoyed, but couldn't drive away the knowledge that though having her along for the ride was maybe 80% of the buzz, the rest was the French food and the travelling itself. As she was gone and much of the food forever prohibited, where lay the point? I'd just be making myself financially more poor, and almost certainly very unhappy whilst I was travelling alone through once-shared visions of paradise.

What's the point of being lactose tollerant if the cholesterol is gonna take you out?

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Re: What Will You Do During the Plague Year?
« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2020, 09:49:17 am »



I enjoyed it too much too; then it bit my ass by trying to kill me with cholesterol - twice. And I had instanly changed my ways as I left hospital the first time.

To expand: after my wife died, I thought about resuming the trans-France drives we had both enjoyed, but couldn't drive away the knowledge that though having her along for the ride was maybe 80% of the buzz, the rest was the French food and the travelling itself. As she was gone and much of the food forever prohibited, where lay the point? I'd just be making myself financially more poor, and almost certainly very unhappy whilst I was travelling alone through once-shared visions of paradise.

What's the point of being lactose tollerant if the cholesterol is gonna take you out?

Rob

You should start speaking French then.  I think speaking English is what kills you. 

Why the French Live Longer

PS, after actually reading that article, it may not be 100% applicable here. 
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« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2020, 10:14:27 am »

You should start speaking French then.  I think speaking English is what kills you. 

Why the French Live Longer

Those five cardinal rules (sex sadly no longer an option) have been my way of life for almost forty years. And I have already passed the die-by date suggested in the more optimistic figure.

Eating well does not imply getting fat. Avoiding fizzy stuff does help, and fortunately, although my second-best calendar client was a brewery, I have not had a taste for the product. When shooting in the South of France for that brewery, I walked into the Carlton Hotel in Cannes and asked for their PR officer. My request for permission to utilise the grounds for a couple of shots was instantly turned down, and he had no qualms about telling me that beer was far too downmarket a product with which to allow the hotel to be publicly associate, and had we been shooting for another kind of alcoholic beverage, there would have been no problem at all. I could hardly disagree: he reflected my own view. I hate seeing women drinking beer.

Beer is as fattening as all the sugary soft drinks.

But, regarding the PR guy: I got my revenge:

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« Reply #88 on: March 26, 2020, 10:15:59 am »

My own theory about why French people live longer is because they take long vacations and enjoy them more.
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« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2020, 10:20:03 am »

My own theory about why French people live longer is because they take long vacations and enjoy them more.

They also start lunch earlier than most, and if you are driving and stop at a pretty restaurant after 13:00 hrs you are likely to be turned away. Tourist resorts are different, but would you prefer eating in them?

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« Reply #90 on: March 26, 2020, 10:21:58 am »

My own theory about why French people live longer is because they take long vacations and enjoy them more.

I have read that the French still, for the most part, practice many fopas around food that we have abandoned, such as dont eat in public like when you are shopping.  The French also tend to only eat large meals on special occasions or at a dinner party, and dont go over board when eating alone or with just your direct family. 
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« Reply #91 on: March 26, 2020, 10:47:01 am »

Well actually ...

The leading theory on why people of Europe and a small part of NW Africa developed lactose tolerance, whereas everyone else is lactose intolerant, was due to using dairy products as a way to combat against famine.  Of course this means a lot of people died from eating dairy who could not in those areas, leaving only those who could to pass along that gene.

If it worked for us in the past, can certainly work for us today. 
I never heard of lactose intolerance until maybe ten or twenty years ago. Everyone ate milk and cookies and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches when I was a kid.  Who didn't eat ice cream?  Also grilled cheese sandwiches.  American cheese or Velveeta if not fancy cheeses.  Sometimes I think it's one of those diseases that people just think they have because it's going through a "popular" phase.  There's another illness regarding food that's going around now like that.  I don;t recall the name right now. 

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« Reply #92 on: March 26, 2020, 10:53:21 am »

Those five cardinal rules (sex sadly no longer an option) have been my way of life for almost forty years. And I have already passed the die-by date suggested in the more optimistic figure.

Eating well does not imply getting fat. Avoiding fizzy stuff does help, and fortunately, although my second-best calendar client was a brewery, I have not had a taste for the product. When shooting in the South of France for that brewery, I walked into the Carlton Hotel in Cannes and asked for their PR officer. My request for permission to utilise the grounds for a couple of shots was instantly turned down, and he had no qualms about telling me that beer was far too downmarket a product with which to allow the hotel to be publicly associate, and had we been shooting for another kind of alcoholic beverage, there would have been no problem at all. I could hardly disagree: he reflected my own view. I hate seeing women drinking beer.

Beer is as fattening as all the sugary soft drinks.

But, regarding the PR guy: I got my revenge:


Revenge?  Was that his girlfriend?  :)

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« Reply #93 on: March 26, 2020, 11:36:27 am »

This article addresses my earlier question about the super-rich and their isolation bunkers, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/disease-dodging-worried-wealthy-jet-off-to-disaster-bunkers.

Best of luck to them.
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« Reply #94 on: March 26, 2020, 12:54:12 pm »

I never heard of lactose intolerance until maybe ten or twenty years ago. Everyone ate milk and cookies and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches when I was a kid.  Who didn't eat ice cream?  Also grilled cheese sandwiches.  American cheese or Velveeta if not fancy cheeses.  Sometimes I think it's one of those diseases that people just think they have because it's going through a "popular" phase.  There's another illness regarding food that's going around now like that.  I don;t recall the name right now.

Increases in peanut allergies is a very real thing; it's not made up like the majority of people saying they cant eat gluten.  Now we dont fully know why it is increasing, but all evidence is pointing us living cleaner lives that actually does not allow our immune system to fully develop.  On top of that, too much bad information with little to no scientific backing was spread around to new parents, such as dont let you child eat peanut butter when young.  As it turns out though, feeding babies peanut based products decreases the chances significantly that they will develop a peanut allergy. 

Insofar as being lactose intolerant, well about 90% of Europeans are lactose tolerant.  Since roughly the majority of the USA are of European descent for a rather long period of, you would expect this to not have been a big deal in generations past.  But since 70% of world is lactose intolerant, as that changed, this would become more and more problematic. 

FYI, lactose tolerance is not a use it or loose deal either.  It is a genetic mutation where your body will continue to produce lactase (the enzyme to break down lactose) past childhood that never goes away. 

PS. the so called gallon challenge, where you try to drink a gallon of milk without vomiting, has nothing to do with lactose or dairy.  It is due to your stomach not being big enough to store a gallon of any liquid.  If you try it with water, unless you are very dehydrated, you would vomit too. 
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« Reply #95 on: March 26, 2020, 01:28:19 pm »

This article addresses my earlier question about the super-rich and their isolation bunkers, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/disease-dodging-worried-wealthy-jet-off-to-disaster-bunkers.

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« Reply #96 on: March 26, 2020, 01:31:48 pm »

 
Increases in peanut allergies is a very real thing; it's not made up like the majority of people saying they cant eat gluten.  Now we dont fully know why it is increasing, but all evidence is pointing us living cleaner lives that actually does not allow our immune system to fully develop.  On top of that, too much bad information with little to no scientific backing was spread around to new parents, such as dont let you child eat peanut butter when young.  As it turns out though, feeding babies peanut based products decreases the chances significantly that they will develop a peanut allergy. 

Insofar as being lactose intolerant, well about 90% of Europeans are lactose tolerant.  Since roughly the majority of the USA are of European descent for a rather long period of, you would expect this to not have been a big deal in generations past.  But since 70% of world is lactose intolerant, as that changed, this would become more and more problematic. 

FYI, lactose tolerance is not a use it or loose deal either.  It is a genetic mutation where your body will continue to produce lactase (the enzyme to break down lactose) past childhood that never goes away.

PS. the so called gallon challenge, where you try to drink a gallon of milk without vomiting, has nothing to do with lactose or dairy.  It is due to your stomach not being big enough to store a gallon of any liquid.  If you try it with water, unless you are very dehydrated, you would vomit too. 
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« Reply #97 on: March 26, 2020, 02:21:17 pm »

Scraped and cut a wheel of Rochefort today.  It was getting a little funky and just starting to liquify, so I figured it was time to cut this up and slow down the ripening, aka "controlled rot."  Plus the Penicillium Roqueforti mold on the outside had gotten so thick limited amounts of oxygen was getting to the inside, hence the yellowing in spots.  Penicillium Roqueforti turns yellow as it dies, but not something to worry about if you have a piece of blue cheese and this starts happening. 

Not quite at the intensity level we like yet, but give it another 2 months and it will be amazing.

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« Reply #98 on: March 26, 2020, 02:24:45 pm »

Joe, is that bacterium on blue cheese or what?  I'm always hesitant to eat that cheese although I sometimes get a blue cheese dressing on iceberg lettuce wedge with bacon bits.

Maybe you shouldn't answer my question.  I have a feeling I'm not going to like the answer.  :)

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« Reply #99 on: March 26, 2020, 02:27:47 pm »

Scraped and cut a wheel of Rochefort today.  It was getting a little funky and just starting to liquify, so I figured it was time to cut this up and slow down the ripening, aka "controlled rot."  Plus the Penicillium Roqueforti mold on the outside had gotten so thick limited amounts of oxygen was getting to the inside, hence the yellowing in spots.  Penicillium Roqueforti turns yellow as it dies, but not something to worry about if you have a piece of blue cheese and this starts happening. 

Not quite at the intensity level we like yet, but give it another 2 months and it will be amazing.

Aw man, cut it out. We've run out of our favourite aged gouda and I won't be able to drive out to the factory outlet to get more any time soon.

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