COVID-19 updates

[hogloff]

You closing off your mind to alternatives.  I'm not saying my ideas are the perfect answer.  I'm brainstorming.  It's a start.  Rather than knocking it, what could you add to improve my plan?  For example, it would be cheaper to provide nurses who change bed pans etc on a full time basis rather than sticking a patient in the hospital 24 hours a day.  That';s actually happening already.  Unless you're really sick, they won't admit you to the hospital.  So they should be setting up nurses to do this.  Are they?  Why don;t you come up with improvements to the current plan?  Make believe you're president and have to do something to save people and the economy.

The nurses are already overworked in the hospitals...where are you going to magically get these extra nurses. THAT IS WHY WE NEED TO SLOW THIS VIRUS DOWN...OUR RESOURCES ARE LIMITED.

Hope that gets through.

[JoeKitchen]

Liquor stores were exempted by NYS Gov Cuomo on Friday.  Well, you might need vodka to make some hand sanitizer.  It's stuff like this that make people question the government and grow weary of the restrictions.  It seems that they're not being serious. 

https://ny.eater.com/2020/3/20/21188492/nyc-wine-liquor-shutdown-coronavirus-andrew-cuomo-essential-business

Is there any other use for Vodka?

[JoeKitchen]

I am currently going through what the Dems are putting in their bill and used as justification to kill the Senate bill, and I got to say, it is making me take this less and less seriously. 

If the Dems feel this is a good time to fight for emission standards in airplanes, or trying to get equity pay, or trying to get abortion coverage, or trying to get forgiveness of college debt, or cooperate board diversity, or a cut down on deportations, etc., can you really think this is that serious.  If they thought it was, would they be playing politics?   

Not really portraying a great sense of seriousness. 

[Alan Klein]

My state of New Jersey just froze $1B in spending because they don;t expect taxes to keep up because no one is working.   Unlike the Federal government that can print money, states are forbidden to print dollars.  They have to get their money from taxes or issue bonds that have to be paid back from taxes. This is going to get worse.  Check all the programs put in reserve funding in article.  So that means they'll have to increase income tax rates for those who are working or getting income to pay for those out of work.  How long will that go on?  I'm still waiting for them to extend the deadline three month for filing taxes like the federal government did.  WHo knows if they'll do that considering how short they are of money.  How to you file state taxes without using your federal return at the same time?  Maybe Trump can help us out.  He's use to filing for extensions due to audits. 
https://patch.com/new-jersey/manalapan/s/h269m/nj-freezes-nearly-1b-in-spending-citing-coronavirus-crisis?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert

[Alan Klein]

And you know what, if Trump did not try and order large quantities of chloroquine to be manufactured and it showed promising results in the trials, he would be railed against him for not being prepared. 

"This drug showed promising results before the trials and he did not think to order any.  It's obvious Trump is not fit to lead."  LOL

And dont tell me this would not be the narrative in the press.  You guys are splitting hairs to try and get him. 

But anyway, at the end of this, I dont know how any Dem wins in November.  This tragedy destroys the open borders argument, and the record gun sales just made many who were against now 2nd amendment supporters.  Not to mention have you been watching the Joe Biden's parallel pressers; they are rife with comedy opportunities.  If only late night television had not become so left-wing.  You better be prepared for four more years. 

There Trump goes walking on water again. 

Yes, let's open the borders and let in more diseased people.  Just what we need. 

[Alan Klein]

And you know what, if Trump did not try and order large quantities of chloroquine to be manufactured and it showed promising results in the trials, he would be railed against him for not being prepared. 

"This drug showed promising results before the trials and he did not think to order any.  It's obvious Trump is not fit to lead."  LOL

And dont tell me this would not be the narrative in the press.  You guys are splitting hairs to try and get him. 

But anyway, at the end of this, I dont know how any Dem wins in November.  This tragedy destroys the open borders argument, and the record gun sales just made many who were against now 2nd amendment supporters.  Not to mention have you been watching the Joe Biden's parallel pressers; they are rife with comedy opportunities.  If only late night television had not become so left-wing.  You better be prepared for four more years. 

There Trump goes walking on water again. 

Yes, let's open the borders and let in more diseased people.  Just what we need. 

Sure...experiment with things and don't follow what has worked elsewhere... Who is starving...other than the 2,000,000 people in Africa every year.

Well, liberals like yourself complain that there are too many poor, starving people in America even in the best of times.  Well, now there will be more if people aren't working.  You can't have it both ways. 

[Alan Klein]

But then it would turn out he just saw some water out the window of the plane and made the whole water walking thing up. His base still believed it.

See?  You already have an answer for why he didn't walk on water.  You proved my point.

[Alan Klein]

The nurses are already overworked in the hospitals...where are you going to magically get these extra nurses. THAT IS WHY WE NEED TO SLOW THIS VIRUS DOWN...OUR RESOURCES ARE LIMITED.

Hope that gets through.

You don't need hospital RN's.  There are tens of thousand of home health care nurses, visiting nurse companies, that could provide people who could actually use a job.  Setting up oxygen and ventilators could be quickly trained.  It's not like they're doing brain operations like surgical nurses. The would triage the work.  If the person just need a ventilator and some help, they stay at home.  Frankly, people are better off staying home then staying in a hospital.  If they really get worse, then they're transferred to a hospital.  WE have to start thinking out of the box.  There are many ways to skin a cat. 

[Alan Klein]

Why can't they use home health care nurses to work in hospitals?  There's a lot of assistance they could provide to take the burden off.  Ever hear of Rosie the Riveter?   

[Alan Klein]

Is there any other use for Vodka?

Let me see.  Hand sanitizer?  or Drinking it?  Hmmm.  Yeah.  I see what you mean. 

[MattBurt]

See?  You already have an answer for why he didn't walk on water.  You proved my point.

When a pathological liar says something that defies logic, established science, or common sense, (or all of the above) I'm going to remain skeptical it until a trustworthy source can confirm it. Especially if it is self-serving.

Maybe if Dr. Fauci presented it as fact (with some supporting evidence) I'd be more likely to accept it. He's a rarity in this administration and I like him. I bet he's going to be fired for being too truthful.

[Alan Klein]

I am currently going through what the Dems are putting in their bill and used as justification to kill the Senate bill, and I got to say, it is making me take this less and less seriously. 

If the Dems feel this is a good time to fight for emission standards in airplanes, or trying to get equity pay, or trying to get abortion coverage, or trying to get forgiveness of college debt, or cooperate board diversity, or a cut down on deportations, etc., can you really think this is that serious.  If they thought it was, would they be playing politics?   

Not really portraying a great sense of seriousness. 

Which Democrat was it who said ... "never let a crisis go to waste" ? 

[Alan Klein]

When a pathological liar says something that defies logic, established science, or common sense, (or all of the above) I'm going to remain skeptical it until a trustworthy source can confirm it. Especially if it is self-serving.

Maybe if Dr. Fauci presented it as fact (with some supporting evidence) I'd be more likely to accept it. He's a rarity in this administration and I like him. I bet he's going to be fired for being too truthful.

I don't like Fauci.  There's something I remember about it from 30+ years ago that I felt he was too political or something.  A smart guy but something turned me off with him.  I can't remember the circumstances.  But I must have been impressed with what he did or said that makes me feel that way even today these many years later.

[Alan Goldhammer]

Maybe if Dr. Fauci presented it as fact (with some supporting evidence) I'd be more likely to accept it. He's a rarity in this administration and I like him. I bet he's going to be fired for being too truthful.

Fauci is not a political appointee and cannot be fired by President Trump.

[Alan Goldhammer]

I don't like Fauci.  There's something I remember about it from 30+ years ago that I felt he was too political or something.  A smart guy but something turned me off with him.  I can't remember the circumstances.  But I must have been impressed with what he did or said that makes me feel that way even today these many years later.

I worked with him over a six month time period on the HHS AIDS Drug Parallel Track Task Force in 1990-91 and his only agenda was helping those who were ill with AIDS get expanded access to experimental treatments.

[James Clark]

I'm really sorry to hear about your friend.  I hope he recovers.

Thank you. I hope so too.

[Alan Klein]

I worked with him over a six month time period on the HHS AIDS Drug Parallel Track Task Force in 1990-91 and his only agenda was helping those who were ill with AIDS get expanded access to experimental treatments.

There was something political.  Maybe he got involved with the politics of it rather than sticking to only the science.  I see a little of that now.  I think Trump will sideline him if he fights Trump's desire to get the economy going again.  Fauci's pay grade is advising on the science not deciding policy.  He's not a politician or and economist.  He wasn't elected; Trump was.  If he pushes, Trump will sideline him.

[LesPalenik]

Liquor stores were exempted by NYS Gov Cuomo on Friday.  Well, you might need vodka to make some hand sanitizer.  It's stuff like this that make people question the government and grow weary of the restrictions.  It seems that they're not being serious. 

https://ny.eater.com/2020/3/20/21188492/nyc-wine-liquor-shutdown-coronavirus-andrew-cuomo-essential-business

Same thing in Ontario.

A senior government source has confirmed to CTV News Toronto that the Liquor Control Board of Ontario (LCBO), the Beer Store and licensed cannabis retailers will remain open after the Ontario premier ordered the closure of all non-essential businesses starting March 24 at midnight.

Toronto’s Medical Officer of Health Eileen de Villa weighed in on the LCBO’s essential service status at a news conference on Monday, saying that closing the stores could actually result in “pretty significant health consequences.”

“With respect to the LCBO and its operations, whether we care to admit it or not, there are many people in our community who have significant dependence issues with respect to alcohol,” de Villa said. “I think we have to be very conscious of that fact and be aware that if that substance, that provision, is no longer available, that that would lead to pretty significant health consequences.”

Not to forget that these stores bring lot of taxes to the government coffers.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/lcbo-beer-store-cannabis-retailers-to-remain-open-amid-closure-of-all-non-essential-businesses-1.4864781

[Robert Roaldi]

There was something political.  Maybe he got involved with the politics of it rather than sticking to only the science.  I see a little of that now.  I think Trump will sideline him if he fights Trump's desire to get the economy going again.  Fauci's pay grade is advising on the science not deciding policy.  He's not a politician or and economist.  He wasn't elected; Trump was.  If he pushes, Trump will sideline him.

Now I know you're a paid troll.

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Now I know you're a paid troll.

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