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William Walker

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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #220 on: March 16, 2020, 12:20:51 pm »

Is it?

I currently have a Walgreens digital thermometer that I brought with me from the States. No two readings are ever the same, and the difference can be several points apart.

So, a question: what is currently the most precise thermometer on the market, within a reasonable price range?
What if it is accurate and it's your body temperature that keeps changing....? 8)
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« Reply #221 on: March 16, 2020, 12:25:47 pm »

What if it is accurate and it's your body temperature that keeps changing....? 8)

This can often be the case....

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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #222 on: March 16, 2020, 12:31:27 pm »

Is it?

I currently have a Walgreens digital thermometer that I brought with me from the States. No two readings are ever the same, and the difference can be several points apart.

So, a question: what is currently the most precise thermometer on the market, within a reasonable price range?

In Serbia you use Celsius, in the US Fahrenheit.
Maybe that's the problem

 C/100=(F-32)/180. Easy :-)
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« Reply #223 on: March 16, 2020, 12:34:07 pm »

In Serbia you use Celsius, in the US Fahrenheit.
Maybe that's the problem

 C/100=(F-32)/180. Easy :-)

Your kidding? Right?

He brought the device from home...and using it elsewhere.

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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #224 on: March 16, 2020, 12:34:28 pm »

What if it is accurate and it's your body temperature that keeps changing....? 8)
I hope you will recover soon!
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #225 on: March 16, 2020, 01:10:49 pm »


Regarding CF's, people say it's more of a problem with color than BW.  I've just started so we'll see how it goes and what else I have to do.  With Covid, this is a good time to get out to shoot as you can be safely by yourself breathing fresh uninfected air.

Two things, any neutral density filter, no matter how good and what CFs essentially are, will start to turn red over time.  Not too big a deal with black and white.  With digital, this is no big deal too since you can correct for this easily in Capture One using the lens cast correction.  (I have to do this no matter what, so it is not a big deal.)  With film, it would become impossible to fully correct for it.  Since a CF graduates from dark in the center to light on the edges, any cast that develops over time will eventually be effecting the color of the film inconstantly. 

Second, if the using a CF extends a longer shutter speed to being over a half second, then reciprocity comes into effect.  Although reciprocity does effect black and white, it only does so on exposure.  On color, it also effects color and what color correct filter you need to use.  Now, when shooing with negatives, this not as much as a concern.  With shooting color positives, you need to nail the color, and adjusting for reciprocity was a real pain in the a$$. 
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #226 on: March 16, 2020, 01:13:41 pm »

I have no idea how they expect elderly, especially those who live alone, to remain in isolation for months.
Hopefully it is not months: China (albeit with a "shock treatment" probably not attainable in freer societies) has got good results with 3-4 weeks. Take care!
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« Reply #227 on: March 16, 2020, 01:24:03 pm »

Besides all the real problems, now there are hoax information releases too, https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/12/21177262/coronavirus-tip-fake-list-stanford-hoax-covid-19. Good thing there is enough real media left to police this nonsense. :)

I read on a news site (Bloomberg?) that there have apparently been some "fake news" and even a hack of the US health service by a "foreign actor," i.e. Russians.m I don't know how to evaluate those reports.
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #228 on: March 16, 2020, 01:25:24 pm »

Your kidding? Right?

Of course  ;)

BTW accuracy and precison are not the same
In measurement of a set, accuracy refers to closeness of the measurements to a specific value, while precision refers to the closeness of the measurements to each other.
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« Reply #229 on: March 16, 2020, 01:31:22 pm »

You know that Google website Trump pitched at his recent press conference that was suppose to evaluate your symptoms and direct you to a drive through testing facility. Well, it is pie in the sky as there are no drive through test sites and the web site is only for the SF area. What BS. I thought you were suppose to under promise and over deliver.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/us/politics/trump-google-coronavirus.html

Meanwhile, passenger screening for flights from Europe is going along swimmingly.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-health-errors-airports-packed-trump-travel-ban-2020-3
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #230 on: March 16, 2020, 01:38:25 pm »

I am perfectly aware of the concept of flattening the curve, I am just making a different choice between the options. Prolonged flattening will cause much more economic damage and ruined lives.
Ah; your previous comment seemed to imply that the worse economic consequences would be the only ones and that there is no benefit to efforts at flattening the curve, so now we are moving towards reason: both health and economic consequences need to be considered in choosing our approach. (For one thing, each can affect the other badly, so they are not really opposing factors.)

I see errors being made in both directions: some closures (schools, restaurants) are over-shooting or too early relative to what the CDC and WHO have recommended; some governments (China, Italy, USA, etc.; this is not a partisan criticism) have at least initially under-reacted, suppressed or misstated or contradicted the available information, made assertions that are—at minimum—without factual support, and so on.
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #231 on: March 16, 2020, 01:48:58 pm »

Clostridium botulinum is a real thing. 

Plus, meat rots a lot faster then people think.  Unlike in the walking dead, under the right conditions, your arms, legs and head will rot completely off your body in as little as 5 days.
Clostridium botulinum is an anerobic microorganism and only a worry with canned foods that were improperly processed.  You are correct about meat getting infected quite rapidly but botulism poisoning is the one thing you don't have to worry about.
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #232 on: March 16, 2020, 01:50:23 pm »

Of course  ;)

BTW accuracy and precison are not the same
In measurement of a set, accuracy refers to closeness of the measurements to a specific value, while precision refers to the closeness of the measurements to each other.

Man, you know when it is appropriate to joke and hair-split.

I simply want a thermometer that doesn't show dramatically different results within seconds of each measurement. Especially when that discrepancy is between no fever and light fever. I doubt it is the body temperature that jumps up and down within seconds.

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« Reply #233 on: March 16, 2020, 01:52:34 pm »

There is another interesting paper from the Chinese research group in Wuhan.  The have been doing some really nice epidemiology on the documented cases from their outbreak.  In a pre-print they note, "People with blood group A have a significantly higher risk for acquiring COVID-19 compared with non-A blood groups, whereas blood group O has a significantly lower risk for the infection compared with non-O blood groups."  Regardless of you blood type, this requires confirmation.

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COVID-19: the grid will survive; at very worst "wartime" not "apocalypse"
« Reply #234 on: March 16, 2020, 02:00:54 pm »

Well let's not forget that 80% of the people who get the virus have very mild reactions to it...so I would think there would still be people around to man those power grids...don't you think?
Agreed: my worst case scenario calculations are less than doubling of the normal death rate, for some months or up to a year (depending on how fast vaccination development and scaling up to mass production go) — and to be heartlessly pragmatic, the deaths will be heavily skewed towards retirees, which would lessen the effect on keeping things functioning.

Still, I am stocking mostly non-perishable ingredients. (And I have gas for the camp stove!)
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #235 on: March 16, 2020, 02:01:52 pm »

Not going to lie, there are bright sides to this. 

Every year in Philly we have this service called the Erin Express, which utilizes several yellow school buses to ship in every jack ass in the suburbs around Philly to Center City, starting at 10 AM, to party and destroy the place on Saint Patrick's Day.  It is now cancelled.  BOOM

We are not going to deal with beer cans and bottles all over, people passed out on the sidewalk at 2 in the afternoon, lovers hooking up and getting more then frisky in broad day light, saplings being uprooted. 
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #236 on: March 16, 2020, 02:04:29 pm »

Clostridium botulinum is an anerobic microorganism and only a worry with canned foods that were improperly processed.  You are correct about meat getting infected quite rapidly but botulism poisoning is the one thing you don't have to worry about.

Are you talking in general, or during the zombie apocalypse.  In the unlikely event of the latter, I would certainly agree and hope for hot humid weather. 
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #237 on: March 16, 2020, 02:07:05 pm »

Man, you knows when it is appropriate to joke and hair-split.

I simply want a thermometer that doesn't show dramatically different results within seconds of each measurement. Especially when that discrepancy is between no fever and light fever. I doubt it is the body temperature that jumps up and down within seconds.

You know that thermometer you have is for your butt...not your mouth.
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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #238 on: March 16, 2020, 02:13:22 pm »

You know that thermometer you have is for your butt...not your mouth.

How do you know?

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Re: COVID-19 updates
« Reply #239 on: March 16, 2020, 02:27:54 pm »

Man, you know when it is appropriate to joke and hair-split.

I simply want a thermometer that doesn't show dramatically different results within seconds of each measurement. Especially when that discrepancy is between no fever and light fever. I doubt it is the body temperature that jumps up and down within seconds.

Sorry about that, Slobodan.
What I stated was so absurd that I thought it was clearly a joke
Apologies
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