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epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« on: February 24, 2020, 03:31:09 pm »

Looks like a replacement for the epson P800 might be on the way:
- No more black ink swap
- Fine art paper can be loaded from the top
- New inkset K3X, with blue ink (10 channels total)
- Smaller footprint, improved roll paper holder, says they fixed the spike (pizza) wheels...

Google translate of the Epson Japan page:

https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=https://www.epson.jp/products/pro/scpx1vl/&prev=search
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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2020, 04:26:21 pm »

Unfortunately details very sketchy.
It seems to really be A2 though.
Not sure how they can make it 70% of the footprint of the P800?
Ink cart size?
Bizarre model number!
Is it really a replacement for the P800?
Seems a lot of emphasis on smart phone connectivity for a 'pro' printer!
If true could be a replacement for my trusty 3880.
Cheers,
Phil

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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2020, 04:44:18 pm »

Yeah, that's why I was a bit non-committal in my wording.
It's the Epson Japan website and the models for the Japanese market are a bit different than North America/Europe. I'm not aware of any similar announcements outside of Japan.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what we're offered over here.

There's also a new 13-inch version as well...

Mike
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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2020, 04:53:09 pm »

Looking at the size diagram it's about 10% or so smaller than the P800, maybe. So perhaps the total volume is about 70%?
Hope the ink carts aren't smaller to fit all 10 of them in.
Phil

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P600 replacement too, and more details
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2020, 12:01:05 am »

There appears to be not only the P800 replacement, but also the P600 replacement. In Japan the P600 replacement is called the SC-PX1V (the P800 replacement is the same plus an L at the end), but that doesn't seem so odd when in Japan the P600 is called the PX5 or something like that.

Also:
* It's not really a blue ink, more like violet from what I can tell--I bet the same violet used in the new P7570 and P9570, and it wouldn't surprise me if it's the same violet used in the "Commercial Edition" versions of the P5000, P7000, and P9000.
* Apparently, unlike the P600, its replacement the SC-PX1V will have a user-replaceable waste ink tank.
* The P600 replacement's dimensions are 20.3 x 14.5 x 7.3 inches, which is 68% the total volume of the P600.
* The P800 replacement's dimensions are 24.2 x 14.5 x 7.8 inches, which is 69% the total volume of the P800.
* The printers are supposed to be available in Japan in May 2020.
* The P600-replacement SC-PX1V is expected to start in Japan at the equivalent of about $722.
* The P800-replacement SC-PX1VL is expected to start in Japan at the equivalent of about $1353.
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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2020, 08:31:20 am »

It looks like Epson hired a designer? ;)

The only reason why it's announced now is probably the CP+ event in Japan that... got canceled due to the coronavirus.

As a result, I fail to see the value of announcing such a printer 3 months before availability. It's not like anyone is really impatiently awaiting for this device that must improve only a little bit over the current P800.

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2020, 02:50:36 pm »

With all due respect, Bernard, the ink switch feature is a huge factor to many of us. On the assumption that it operates similarly to the P800 and the 38xx series, eg reliably and with minimal if any clogging, I'll almost certainly be getting one, especially if Mark Segal (he seems be be at Photopxl these days) reviews it favorably.
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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2020, 10:39:27 pm »

With all due respect, Bernard, the ink switch feature is a huge factor to many of us. On the assumption that it operates similarly to the P800 and the 38xx series, eg reliably and with minimal if any clogging, I'll almost certainly be getting one, especially if Mark Segal (he seems be be at Photopxl these days) reviews it favorably.

I have been using Epson printers for nearly 15 years... I am aware of the pain. ;)

I currently own a P800 so I am definitely on the target customers list.

My only point was that it seems a bit extreme to announce this printer such a long time before availability.

Cheers,
Bernard

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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2020, 03:14:18 am »

Hopefully they have addressed the paper feed mechanism that causes the pizza wheel affect. I switched the the Canon pro 1000 after owning two p800's which both had the unfortunate pizza wheel issue on luster and semi gloss paper. I would consider this if they have sorted it out.
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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2020, 08:59:24 am »

Count me among those who is very much looking forward to a P900.  The paper handling in the P800 is an unmitigated disaster, IMO.  Far worse than the 3800/3880 (which wasn't fantastic).   

Pizza wheel issues thankfully haven't been a huge issue for me.  But they haven't been nothing.

After a couple of decades of use, I'm significantly invested in the Epson ecosystem.  But between the paper handling woes of the P800 and Epson's arrogant attitude about ink (starter carts, chipped carts, and photo/matte black wastage) has me doing something I never thought I would... considering something else.

Right now I'm 50/50 between the Epson P900, when it makes its appearance, and the Canon Pro-1000 (despite being somewhat long in the tooth itself).

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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2020, 08:26:47 pm »

My views pretty much mirror Jeff's.  I too am both invested in the Epson system and just about over them.  As a regular reader of this forum, I can't help but get the impression that serious printers in the 17" market are gradually drifting away from Epson to Canon, and those in the 24" market also have the HP option.  The P900 does look like it might address some of people's concerns.  But given their form, I would want to be convinced that it really does before I recommit. 

The big loss in moving from Epson is the loss of QTR.  But it may not work anyway on the P900 anyway.  IIRC, it doesn't work on some of the newer very large format Epsons (e.g. 10K and 20K) with both blacks always available, and the P900 may share some of the features that have prevented Roy getting QTR working on the P10K and P20K.  In which case, one less reason to stick with Epson.
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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2020, 04:56:31 pm »

The P900 seems to have an extremely compact footprint, about the same as my current P600. I hope the new models are as sturdy as the previous generation despite their compactness. With improved paper handling (including for paper rolls) and an end to the black ink switching madness, I might upgrade to the P900 if reviews are good.

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Fabien
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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2020, 01:03:19 am »

One of the British printer dealers noted that the new P900 ink cartridges are 50ml instead the earlier 80ml 3800/3880/P800.  Does anyone know if that is correct?
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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2020, 04:06:09 am »

Certainly is. This is the link to pre-order the printer and its ink from one of several dealers listing them:
https://www.wexphotovideo.com/epson-surecolor-sc-p900-printer-1736385/
The carts at £37.99 are cheaper than those for 38XX/P800, which are about £49.99 for 80 ml, but not proportionately so.
The P700 remains at the P600's 26 ml.
Cheers,
Phil

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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2020, 06:19:10 am »

Certainly is. This is the link to pre-order the printer and its ink from one of several dealers listing them:
https://www.wexphotovideo.com/epson-surecolor-sc-p900-printer-1736385/
The carts at £37.99 are cheaper than those for 38XX/P800, which are about £49.99 for 80 ml, but not proportionately so.
The P700 remains at the P600's 26 ml.
Cheers,
Phil

And here we are  :)

ca 25% up per 1ml of ink

smaller form factor is ok, but at a price  :(

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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2020, 04:57:59 pm »

And here we are  :)

ca 25% up per 1ml of ink

smaller form factor is ok, but at a price 

Then you wonder... wasn’t black ink swapping just a way to sell more ink and waste ink tanks?

Cheers,
Bernard
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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2020, 07:52:00 am »

Anyway, as my first photo printer, HP PS Pro B9180, is no longer in use because of one of printheads failure and lack of new ones on the market, I hoped for this new Epson to become, sooner or later, my next printer.
But those 50ml, small indeed, cartridges in 17 inch printer are at least inappropriate.

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Re: epson P800 replacement announced (maybe?)
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2020, 11:40:22 am »

I agree.  The new, smaller ink carts are very nearly a non-starter for me.  Whatever incremental image quality improvement Epson might have achieved, it certainly sounds like much of their focus with this new printer has been on maximizing their ink revenue.  I'll still wait to see what it looks like, but I'm increasingly doubtful that my marriage to Epson will continue.
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