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Raw & Post Processing, Printing => Printing: Printers, Papers and Inks => Topic started by: schertz on February 24, 2020, 03:31:09 pm
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Looks like a replacement for the epson P800 might be on the way:
- No more black ink swap
- Fine art paper can be loaded from the top
- New inkset K3X, with blue ink (10 channels total)
- Smaller footprint, improved roll paper holder, says they fixed the spike (pizza) wheels...
Google translate of the Epson Japan page:
https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=https://www.epson.jp/products/pro/scpx1vl/&prev=search
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Unfortunately details very sketchy.
It seems to really be A2 though.
Not sure how they can make it 70% of the footprint of the P800?
Ink cart size?
Bizarre model number!
Is it really a replacement for the P800?
Seems a lot of emphasis on smart phone connectivity for a 'pro' printer!
If true could be a replacement for my trusty 3880.
Cheers,
Phil
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Yeah, that's why I was a bit non-committal in my wording.
It's the Epson Japan website and the models for the Japanese market are a bit different than North America/Europe. I'm not aware of any similar announcements outside of Japan.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what we're offered over here.
There's also a new 13-inch version as well...
Mike
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Looking at the size diagram it's about 10% or so smaller than the P800, maybe. So perhaps the total volume is about 70%?
Hope the ink carts aren't smaller to fit all 10 of them in.
Phil
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There appears to be not only the P800 replacement, but also the P600 replacement. In Japan the P600 replacement is called the SC-PX1V (the P800 replacement is the same plus an L at the end), but that doesn't seem so odd when in Japan the P600 is called the PX5 or something like that.
Also:
* It's not really a blue ink, more like violet from what I can tell--I bet the same violet used in the new P7570 and P9570, and it wouldn't surprise me if it's the same violet used in the "Commercial Edition" versions of the P5000, P7000, and P9000.
* Apparently, unlike the P600, its replacement the SC-PX1V will have a user-replaceable waste ink tank.
* The P600 replacement's dimensions are 20.3 x 14.5 x 7.3 inches, which is 68% the total volume of the P600.
* The P800 replacement's dimensions are 24.2 x 14.5 x 7.8 inches, which is 69% the total volume of the P800.
* The printers are supposed to be available in Japan in May 2020.
* The P600-replacement SC-PX1V is expected to start in Japan at the equivalent of about $722.
* The P800-replacement SC-PX1VL is expected to start in Japan at the equivalent of about $1353.
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Better described here:
https://japan.topnews.cloud/epson-redesigned-printer-for-photo-lovers-with-improved-blue-reproduction/
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It looks like Epson hired a designer? ;)
The only reason why it's announced now is probably the CP+ event in Japan that... got canceled due to the coronavirus.
As a result, I fail to see the value of announcing such a printer 3 months before availability. It's not like anyone is really impatiently awaiting for this device that must improve only a little bit over the current P800.
Cheers,
Bernard
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With all due respect, Bernard, the ink switch feature is a huge factor to many of us. On the assumption that it operates similarly to the P800 and the 38xx series, eg reliably and with minimal if any clogging, I'll almost certainly be getting one, especially if Mark Segal (he seems be be at Photopxl these days) reviews it favorably.
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With all due respect, Bernard, the ink switch feature is a huge factor to many of us. On the assumption that it operates similarly to the P800 and the 38xx series, eg reliably and with minimal if any clogging, I'll almost certainly be getting one, especially if Mark Segal (he seems be be at Photopxl these days) reviews it favorably.
I have been using Epson printers for nearly 15 years... I am aware of the pain. ;)
I currently own a P800 so I am definitely on the target customers list.
My only point was that it seems a bit extreme to announce this printer such a long time before availability.
Cheers,
Bernard
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http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-p700-and-p900-announced/
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Hopefully they have addressed the paper feed mechanism that causes the pizza wheel affect. I switched the the Canon pro 1000 after owning two p800's which both had the unfortunate pizza wheel issue on luster and semi gloss paper. I would consider this if they have sorted it out.
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Count me among those who is very much looking forward to a P900. The paper handling in the P800 is an unmitigated disaster, IMO. Far worse than the 3800/3880 (which wasn't fantastic).
Pizza wheel issues thankfully haven't been a huge issue for me. But they haven't been nothing.
After a couple of decades of use, I'm significantly invested in the Epson ecosystem. But between the paper handling woes of the P800 and Epson's arrogant attitude about ink (starter carts, chipped carts, and photo/matte black wastage) has me doing something I never thought I would... considering something else.
Right now I'm 50/50 between the Epson P900, when it makes its appearance, and the Canon Pro-1000 (despite being somewhat long in the tooth itself).
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My views pretty much mirror Jeff's. I too am both invested in the Epson system and just about over them. As a regular reader of this forum, I can't help but get the impression that serious printers in the 17" market are gradually drifting away from Epson to Canon, and those in the 24" market also have the HP option. The P900 does look like it might address some of people's concerns. But given their form, I would want to be convinced that it really does before I recommit.
The big loss in moving from Epson is the loss of QTR. But it may not work anyway on the P900 anyway. IIRC, it doesn't work on some of the newer very large format Epsons (e.g. 10K and 20K) with both blacks always available, and the P900 may share some of the features that have prevented Roy getting QTR working on the P10K and P20K. In which case, one less reason to stick with Epson.
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The P900 seems to have an extremely compact footprint, about the same as my current P600. I hope the new models are as sturdy as the previous generation despite their compactness. With improved paper handling (including for paper rolls) and an end to the black ink switching madness, I might upgrade to the P900 if reviews are good.
Cheers,
Fabien
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One of the British printer dealers noted that the new P900 ink cartridges are 50ml instead the earlier 80ml 3800/3880/P800. Does anyone know if that is correct?
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Certainly is. This is the link to pre-order the printer and its ink from one of several dealers listing them:
https://www.wexphotovideo.com/epson-surecolor-sc-p900-printer-1736385/
The carts at £37.99 are cheaper than those for 38XX/P800, which are about £49.99 for 80 ml, but not proportionately so.
The P700 remains at the P600's 26 ml.
Cheers,
Phil
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Certainly is. This is the link to pre-order the printer and its ink from one of several dealers listing them:
https://www.wexphotovideo.com/epson-surecolor-sc-p900-printer-1736385/
The carts at £37.99 are cheaper than those for 38XX/P800, which are about £49.99 for 80 ml, but not proportionately so.
The P700 remains at the P600's 26 ml.
Cheers,
Phil
And here we are :)
ca 25% up per 1ml of ink
smaller form factor is ok, but at a price :(
Regards
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And here we are :)
ca 25% up per 1ml of ink
smaller form factor is ok, but at a price
Then you wonder... wasn’t black ink swapping just a way to sell more ink and waste ink tanks?
Cheers,
Bernard
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Anyway, as my first photo printer, HP PS Pro B9180, is no longer in use because of one of printheads failure and lack of new ones on the market, I hoped for this new Epson to become, sooner or later, my next printer.
But those 50ml, small indeed, cartridges in 17 inch printer are at least inappropriate.
Regards
Jacek
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I agree. The new, smaller ink carts are very nearly a non-starter for me. Whatever incremental image quality improvement Epson might have achieved, it certainly sounds like much of their focus with this new printer has been on maximizing their ink revenue. I'll still wait to see what it looks like, but I'm increasingly doubtful that my marriage to Epson will continue.
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You're basing this on one data point? An incomplete description at WexPhotoVideo.com?
Can anyone confirm this spec on small ink carts anywhere else?
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You're basing this on one data point? An incomplete description at WexPhotoVideo.com?
Can anyone confirm this spec on small ink carts anywhere else?
Epson Spain:
https://www.epson.es/products/consumables/ink/singlepack-matte-black-t47a8-ultrachrome-pro-10-ink-50ml-c13t47a800
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And here:
https://www.wexphotovideo.com/epson-matte-black-t47a8-ultrachrome-pro-10-ink-50ml-1736393/
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Epson giveth, Epson taketh.
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Let me guess, the ink will cost more per ml. Why do I feel violated?
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Looks like Epson is focusing on a small footprint at the expense of ink cartridge size in this generation. There has to be a reason why these printers are that much smaller. People with a high print volume will have to transition to a P5000 or to a comparatively huge Canon printer.
I suppose smaller cartridges will also help in having an attractive launch price.
Cheers,
Fabien
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Looks like Epson is focusing on a small footprint at the expense of ink cartridge size in this generation. There has to be a reason why these printers are that much smaller. People with a high print volume will have to transition to a P5000 or to a comparatively huge Canon printer.
I suppose smaller cartridges will also help in having an attractive launch price.
I am not sure anyone was asking for a smaller foot print.
But most of the people who actually use these printers certainly feel that ink was already too expensive.
So the trade off is probably not going to please most Epson users.
Personally I don't print a lot so I belong to the minority for whom the smaller foot print is probably valuable... but then again the footprint of the P800 (called SC-Px3V in Japan, such a sexy name) wasn't a real issue.
Cheers,
Bernard
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From epsom Europe
Epson introduces two photo printers for professionals who value image accuracy and depth, along with design simplicity
The SureColor SC-P900 and SC-P700 are high-quality photo printers for design-conscious photographers and artists
Epson introduces two photo printers for professionals who value image accuracy and depth, along with design simplicity
14 March 2020 – Epson has announced two advanced and easy-to-use photo printers, the SureColor SC-P700 and SC-P900. While the pro-photo community is clearly the main target audience; these two compact and lightweight printers will also appeal to artists, studios, photo labs and ambitious semi-pro and aspiring amateur photographers.
What’s immediately striking is their ‘non-printer’ look and feel: a design philosophy that was established through user research and a desire to make photo printers that are as pleasing on the eye as the prints they produce. Both the SC-P700 (up to A3+) and SC-P900 (up to A2+) feature black enhance overcoat technology, Carbon Black Mode and UltraChrome Pro 10 ink for the truest, deepest blacks. Other features include:
Three different paper paths to accommodate a wide media range
Black D-Max value of 2.91
4.3-inch LCD optical touchscreen (can be used with gloves) with customisable GUI
Epson Media Installer for ease of use
Expanded blue color gamut to reproduce ultra-realistic images
Black inks (PK/MK) always available
Epson Print Layout - enhanced functionality and flexibility to make colour-managed printing quick and easy
Spindle-less integrated roll unit on SC-P700, optional for SC-P900
New auto sheet feeding system (ASF) for hassle-free fine art media feed.
Smallest footprint and lightest in its class
Enhanced sealing to protect from dust and dirt
Boris Creischer, product manager pro selection, Epson Europe, says: “We’re confident that these printers will appeal to those working in a number of creative industries, who have a keen eye for detail, as well as an appreciation for high-performance hardware that’s aesthetically pleasing. As cliché as it sounds, both the SC-P700 and SC-P900 manage to combine form with function, to great effect. The accuracy and quality of the output is further enhanced by the deepest blacks and an expanded blue colour gamut, to reproduce ultra-realist prints. All this forms part of Epson’s complete printing solution of hardware, software, inks and paper. We’re confident that these new additions to the P-Series will excite creatives who value photographic print quality and refreshingly understated product design.”
The SC-P700 and SC-P900 will be available in Western Europe from April 2020 and across other EMEAR territories from August 2020.
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Given that a new set of ink carts in a 17" photo printer is north of $500... the brand new carts that come with a new printer is a big chunk of the rationalization I've always leaned upon when upgrading.
Or, at least, it used to be that way.
The P800 surprised many of us because, unlike its 3880 and 3800 predecessors (which shipped with full, 80ml carts), it came with "starter" carts. They held something on the order of 65ml. Especially ironic, of course, given that a new printer has to charge its lines before it can actually do anything useful.
Epson wants you to buy that next set of $500+ replacements sooner, than later.
The ink cost-per-milliliter will always be higher in a smaller cart, which is one of the two unfortunate aspects of the imminent P900 design (the other being simply the aggravation of more frequent cart changes).
50ml carts are so seriously small compared to the 80ml items in the 3800, 3880, and P800 that Epson might go ahead and throw in full size carts with the P900. I hope so. But neither would it surprise me if they put in carts with only 35 or 40ml.
Anyone know if profiles of Epson papers are available for the Canon Pro-1000?
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Given that a new set of ink carts in a 17" photo printer is north of $500... the brand new carts that come with a new printer is a big chunk of the rationalization I've always leaned upon when upgrading.
Or, at least, it used to be that way.
The P800 surprised many of us because, unlike its 3880 and 3800 predecessors (which shipped with full, 80ml carts), it came with "starter" carts. They held something on the order of 65ml. Especially ironic, of course, given that a new printer has to charge its lines before it can actually do anything useful.
Epson wants you to buy that next set of $500+ replacements sooner, than later.
As a side comment, in Japan the price for the full 9 ink types genuine ink set for the P800 is around 350 US$ on Amazon.
Cheers,
Bernard
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If Epson has reduced the volume of ink in the new 10 cartridges of the two new printers, the SC-P700 and SC-P900, the lower prices (proportionally) make sense, especially when they announced their reduced footprint. And I haven’t yet seen the prices in Australia and they weren't formally announced here yet.
What we don’t know is whether the 50ml cartridges are full or starter versions with the printer, or how efficient the new printer’s maintenance process would be when flushing the heads, so we'll need to wait for a useful review or two.
Whatever they do I’m sure that Epson has considered and understood their customers’ wants and needs, but both my 3800 and 3880 printers are still blocked in the garage, me trying to clear them, yet I'm still happily printing on my DJ130 on the last 2 rolls of PPSP that I bought.
I know, I know it's old .... but I just like the prints so I have lots of ink and heads, and a spare printer.
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Anyone know if profiles of Epson papers are available for the Canon Pro-1000?
This will most likely never happen or at least not in our life time. Since the OEM's are competing with each other (Epson vs Canon vs HP), they will not create profiles of their papers on competitor hardware. This is where you can either choose a comparable media type and profile on the OEM printer with the other brand paper OR create a custom profile of that paper to match the inkset.
Only fine art brands (Hahnemuhle, Canson, Moab, etc) will create profiles for the printer brands since they don't make their own printers.