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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2019, 07:00:01 am »

Initial issues with some z series cameras relating to IBIS, the peeling off of the rubbles finish, lack of a second card slot have hampered the uptake of this camera locally. Like it or not people are also not fond of adapted lenses and the slow roll out of native glass remains an issue. The Noct is undoubtedly and amazing feat of optical engineering but perhaps resources would have been better deployed to produce a native 70 to 200.

I donít have it in for Nikon in any way but something has caused the price of the Z series to fall and still not meet Nikons own sales expectations. The above issues come up when I talk to people locally. 
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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2019, 07:58:52 am »

Initial issues with some z series cameras relating to IBIS, the peeling off of the rubbles finish, lack of a second card slot have hampered the uptake of this camera locally. 

IBIS issues?

Never heard of those. I have certainly never experienced any myself, but I also haven't heard of any in the many forums I roam. ;)

The 70-200mm f2.8 is rumored to be released any time soon, so it doesn't look that Nikon made a choice between the Noct and that lens. What is missing from the Nikon roadmap is a 70-200mm f4 that collapses.

Considering that the F version is still the best 70-200mm f2.8 on the market by a good margin, there is little doubt that the S version will be in a class of its own.

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2019, 09:00:59 am »

IBIS issues?

Never heard of those. I have certainly never experienced any myself, but I also haven't heard of any in the many forums I roam. ;)

The 70-200mm f2.8 is rumored to be released any time soon, so it doesn't look that Nikon made a choice between the Noct and that lens. What is missing from the Nikon roadmap is a 70-200mm f4 that collapses.

Considering that the F version is still the best 70-200mm f2.8 on the market by a good margin, there is little doubt that the S version will be in a class of its own.

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Bernard...seems like everything Nikon touches is gold...a class in its own...yet sales keep plummeting and not meeting expectations. Something is not lining up IMHO. 
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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2019, 09:10:37 am »

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2019, 09:38:46 am »

Bernard...seems like everything Nikon touches is gold...a class in its own...yet sales keep plummeting and not meeting expectations. Something is not lining up IMHO.

I donít understand why you see these 2 statements as incompatible.

Nor why, as a Sony user, you care that much about the financial health of Nikon or about how great a system the Z is.

I personally use both and am objective about their strengths and weaknesses.

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2019, 10:18:21 am »

The Sony vultures are circling, rubbing their wings with glee.

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2019, 10:33:26 am »

I donít understand why you see these 2 statements as incompatible.

Nor why, as a Sony user, you care that much about the financial health of Nikon or about how great a system the Z is.

I personally use both and am objective about their strengths and weaknesses.

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Bernard

I'm interested in photography in general and like following how the industry is managing this decline. I don't care about the Z system...just amused with your "class leading" comments on just about anything Nikon releases. That to me just sounds fanboish.
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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2019, 11:39:37 am »

I keep an eye on a lot of camera companies. Fuji and Nikon mostly but also Canon, Leica, Olympus and Phase. I would be saddened to see any of them fail. I used Canon the most over the years but Nikons failure would be the most upsetting to me. At the moment my needs are best served by Sony for reasons I couldnít be bothered to go into.

So  vultures circling seems a little dramatic and inaccurate.
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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2019, 04:56:21 pm »

Seems to me, only the craziest (buyers and companies) will survive in the future. Look at the Canon's new lineup: all are $3,000 lenses with crazy f/stops: 1.0, 1.2 etc. 18mm f/1.0 and 25mm f/1.2! Who the hack needs those!? And can afford?

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2019, 05:23:20 pm »

Seems to me, only the craziest (buyers and companies) will survive in the future. Look at the Canon's new lineup: all are $3,000 lenses with crazy f/stops: 1.0, 1.2 etc. 18mm f/1.0 and 25mm f/1.2! Who the hack needs those!? And can afford?

Arenít you confusing patents and line-up?

If they were the same we would have had 100mp canon cameras for many many years.

Canon has been using patents publication as a marketing tool.

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2019, 05:27:15 pm »

I'm interested in photography in general and like following how the industry is managing this decline. I don't care about the Z system...just amused with your "class leading" comments on just about anything Nikon releases. That to me just sounds fanboish.

My class leading comments are far from covering everything Nikon does.

They are targeted at aspects where Nikon is best in class based on objective reports or my own comparisons.

Since you have never shot with a Nikon Z I have no idea how you would know these aspects are not best in class.

I fully acknowledge the superiority of Sony in some areas. The one domain where itís clear is eye AF and itís the sole reason why I have added some Sony bodies to my line up.

But even there, although it is clearly better, itís far from being the holy grail Sony fan clubs makes it to be.

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2019, 05:34:40 pm »

My class leading comments are far from covering everything Nikon does.

They are targeted at aspects where Nikon is best in class based on objective reports or my own comparisons.

Since you have never shot with a Nikon Z I have no idea how you would know these aspects are not best in class.

I fully acknowledge the superiority of Sony in some areas. The one domain where itís clear is eye AF and itís the sole reason why I have added some Sony bodies to my line up.

Cheers,
Bernard

I'm not talking about the Z system...but your continuous view of their class leading equipment. Seems at odds that something that is class leading is losing in sales and Nikon needing to drop the prices to get some interest. If things were truly class leading...surely Nikon would not need to put on a fire sale.
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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2019, 06:14:17 pm »

I'm not talking about the Z system...but your continuous view of their class leading equipment. Seems at odds that something that is class leading is losing in sales and Nikon needing to drop the prices to get some interest. If things were truly class leading...surely Nikon would not need to put on a fire sale.

I donít have consistent views about Nikonís class leading equipment. Thatís a myth you have created. I have always been very specific and rarely proven wrong.

It seems hard to have an adult conversation with you.

Your points as so riddled with contradictions and lack of logic that Iíll stop here.

Be happy in your little Sony world. Iíll continue to use whatever brand works for me based on the objective strengths of each system.

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2019, 06:24:38 pm »

I donít have consistent views about Nikonís class leading equipment. Thatís a myth you have created. I have always been very specific and rarely proven wrong.

It seems it is not a myth he created but a reality you have admitted to:

Even I, the worst Nikon fanboy on the whole internet, am 10 times more objective about Nikonís weaknesses than you are about Trump. ;)

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2019, 06:30:46 pm »

It seems it is not a myth he created but a reality you have admitted to:

I am sure you can tell the difference between a second degree joke and the dark and idiotic fanboism of chez.

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2019, 06:59:37 pm »

I donít have consistent views about Nikonís class leading equipment. Thatís a myth you have created. I have always been very specific and rarely proven wrong.

It seems hard to have an adult conversation with you.

Your points as so riddled with contradictions and lack of logic that Iíll stop here.

Be happy in your little Sony world. Iíll continue to use whatever brand works for me based on the objective strengths of each system.

Cheers,
Bernard

Bernard, I'm just calling them as I see them. Have you any idea how many times you said "class leading" when talking about Nikon?

Oh...and I also shoot with Canon, Fuji and Tachihara equipment...all "class leading" in their own ways.
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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2019, 07:05:15 pm »

Bernard, I'm just calling them as I see them. Have you any idea how many times you said "class leading" when talking about Nikon?

Oh...and I also shoot with Canon, Fuji and Tachihara equipment...all "class leading" in their own ways.

The only way Tachihara is class leading is on price. But the owner is a very fine gentlemen that I once met in Tokyo many years ago.

According to every other metric than price, his competent caneras fall behind the now out of business Ebony. Out of business because the adorable daughter of the owner didnít want to take over when her father decided to retire at 70. Yes, I know them too.

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2019, 07:07:36 pm »

Bernard, I'm just calling them as I see them. Have you any idea how many times you said "class leading" when talking about Nikon?

About Nikon as a whole? Not a single time.

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Re: Nikon imaging division in trouble
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2019, 07:58:26 pm »

... Seems at odds that something that is class leading is losing in sales...

Not odd at all. Being ďclass leadingĒ in technical sense doesnít necessarily translate into sales, which are a function of multiple possible factors, one of which might be that majority of people do not know or care about ďclass leading.Ē Economic history is littered with examples of companies having a technically superior product, yet losing the market.
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