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I see Eizo just announced a 4k 27" monitor - the ColorEdge CS2740, but as that will be very expensive -price not announced, but Eizo's insanely 3x the price of any other top level manufacturer-  I wondered if there was something else out there equally good by NEC or whomever?

I have not been paying attention - was there some new product in the last year - top level wide gamut 4k color critical? Ideally 27 to 32" size.

And... will OLED make it to color critical monitors. It's taking over 4k TVs, so I was kind of thiking it would come to color pro's soon, no?

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Why the need for 4K?
OLED has some disadvantages for imaging work above the massive costs associated with them. Where they are great is for huge DR because they produce a true black. But for soft proofing, even today’s non OLED’s have massive DR’s that hugely exceed the DR of prints and require toggling back black (and white) for effective soft proofing. Burn it is said to be an issue; none on my LG 55” in the living room hooked up to a TV.
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Why the need for 4K?
OLED has some disadvantages for imaging work above the massive costs associated with them. Where they are great is for huge DR because they produce a true black. But for soft proofing, even today’s non OLED’s have massive DR’s that hugely exceed the DR of prints and require toggling back black (and white) for effective soft proofing. Burn it is said to be an issue; none on my LG 55” in the living room hooked up to a TV.
These days, a 4k 27in display would be very helpful for 4k motion picture work.  Problem is... motion picture work is moving towards HDR displays with 1,000,000:1 contrast ratios.  And right now, these are very very expensive.  Eizo has a nice one for $30,000 :)

But for still photography and occasional motion picture work, a 4k 27in LCD display could be quite useful.
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Why the need for 4K?
OLED has some disadvantages for imaging work above the massive costs associated with them. Where they are great is for huge DR because they produce a true black. But for soft proofing, even today’s non OLED’s have massive DR’s that hugely exceed the DR of prints and require toggling back black (and white) for effective soft proofing. Burn it is said to be an issue; none on my LG 55” in the living room hooked up to a TV.

Well I use Phase One IQ4-150, so there's a lot of pixels and a lot of sharpness (hopefully!) to evaluate carefully.
But ... you may be right, I could be dreaming of a 4K monitor for no good reason.

Having said that - which monitor would you choose today in that 27-32" size range -4k or not-  NEC? Eizo? Samsung? Dell? BenQ?

(currently on an NEC PA271W, which has been great, but is now ~8years old)

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I'm currently using and love the PA271Q.
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Well I use Phase One IQ4-150, so there's a lot of pixels and a lot of sharpness (hopefully!) to evaluate carefully.
But ... you may be right, I could be dreaming of a 4K monitor for no good reason.

Having said that - which monitor would you choose today in that 27-32" size range -4k or not-  NEC? Eizo? Samsung? Dell? BenQ?

(currently on an NEC PA271W, which has been great, but is now ~8years old)

I think you'd be better evaluating images on a lower dpi monitor. 4K on a 27" is too high a dpi to critically judge detail and sharpness. 4K should require a 32" monitor IMHO. Go with a 1440p monitor if you go 27".
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2019, 08:22:51 am »

On my second week with a new BenQ SW271 4k and I love it.

A bargain to boot.  8)

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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2019, 09:44:47 am »

Thanks. Good to know.

Dell just announced a 4k monitor for color pro's with built in colorimeter, Thunderbird 3, full ARGB, etc.

On paper the specs are great, but time will tell on that!

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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2019, 09:41:26 am »

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15127/nec-multisync-pa311d-10bit-ips-4k-pro-monitor

Great. I wondered if NEC had gone to sleep!

(and glad to see I'm not the only one here to read Anandtech - such a great in depth site)
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2019, 02:29:43 pm »

@digitaldog
Yes I really like the pa271q. Calibrates quickly and well. But it also has sRGB and adobeRGB modes. How do you use these? I generally work in the calibrated spectraview setting and softproof in LR with the paper profile I am going to print. Would an sRGB monitor with an IPS 10 bit panel like the ASUS PA34VC be significantly less useful as it has 'only' sRGB? It still is hardware calibrateable and the calibration is stored in the monitor hardware.
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2019, 02:32:57 pm »

@digitaldog
Yes I really like the pa271q. Calibrates quickly and well. But it also has sRGB and adobeRGB modes. How do you use these? I generally work in the calibrated spectraview setting and softproof in LR with the paper profile I am going to print.
That's exactly what I do as well.
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2019, 04:55:41 pm »

So what use are ‘sRGB’ and ‘aRGB’ modes? Where do they fit in if we are always in the calibrated spectravision mode?
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2019, 05:23:31 pm »

So what use are ‘sRGB’ and ‘aRGB’ modes? Where do they fit in if we are always in the calibrated spectravision mode?
Useful with non color managed apps IF you use them (I don't).
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2019, 08:47:18 am »

Hopefully the NEC PA311D works better or let's say has les sample varations / problems compared to the pa271q...
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2019, 01:04:34 pm »

Hopefully the NEC PA311D works better or let's say has les sample varations / problems compared to the pa271q...

My PA311D works perfectly well:


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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2019, 02:34:31 am »

Great news! I hope they all will.
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2020, 05:35:45 pm »

I'm very interested in the NEC PA311D. It was announced in November 2019 and obviously has been available, but I have not found a single review, and it is out of stock and "special order, non-returnable" at both B&H and Adorama.  Can anyone provide info on this? I am particularly interested because I am upgrading from an NEC 3090QXi that I've been using since 2008 and it has been outstanding and trouble free, and great for soft proofing for printing.  But, I need a new monitor for my just arrived 2019 Mac Pro.
Thanks for any help.
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2020, 03:15:14 pm »

I just got mine, after being super unhappy with my crappy pa271q...  I will set it up over the weekend and can report back.

For me it’s also NECs last chance, if it has similar problems like my pa271q, I will go back to Eizo, which worked perfectly for the last 12 years for me.
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2020, 10:28:29 am »

So compared to my pa271q its so much better. I get values now of DeltaE of average of 0,24 and max 0,55. I haven't had time to test everything in detail. Uniformity looks very even. I just measured the center and edges. Temp center 6500K, worst corner 6650K. Brightness 130 in the middle worst corner is 126.

If you have any specific questions feel free to ask!
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