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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2020, 11:02:50 am »

So compared to my pa271q its so much better. I get values now of DeltaE of average of 0,24 and max 0,55. I haven't had time to test everything in detail. Uniformity looks very even. I just measured the center and edges. Temp center 6500K, worst corner 6650K. Brightness 130 in the middle worst corner is 126.

If you have any specific questions feel free to ask!

Seems like in case of PA311D everything went back to normal, and there's no trace of infamous PA271Q issue. My own is also flawless, I can highly recommend it - image quality is outstanding, it features very impressive OCF which prevents IPS black glow, so that plus high CR give excellent black depth. Uniformity, sharpness, linearity, factory calibration fidelity is just as perfect as LCD goes. 10 calibration presets with 3D LUT loading ability makes it a perfect softproofing tool.

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« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2020, 11:45:47 am »

So compared to my pa271q its so much better. I get values now of DeltaE of average of 0,24 and max 0,55.
Thatís a shame ;) ; hereís a report from my PA271Q

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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2020, 01:42:28 pm »

Man, mine seems to suck...

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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2020, 05:13:09 pm »

Andrew itís great your screen is perfect. Mine wasnít as posted in the other topic. NEC wasnít a me to resolve the issue and said itís good enough. This was unacceptable for me as a delta of over 1 in average isnít good at all.

There seems to be quite a few issues with the PA271Q.

However, in the end I sold the PA271Q, bought an Eizo, which calibrates perfectly for my second working space and now bough the new 4K screen which is also amazing.
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« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2020, 05:22:04 pm »

Andrew itís great your screen is perfect. Mine wasnít as posted in the other topic
Get them to send you another. Got a great warranty.
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There seems to be quite a few issues with the PA271Q.
What other issues?
What makes you think Eizo doesnít have the same issue?
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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2020, 01:31:05 pm »

Eizo does not have the same issue - unless you have some evidence of reports, there is no reason to imply this.
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2020, 01:40:15 pm »

I'm very interested in the NEC PA311D. It was announced in November 2019 and obviously has been available, but I have not found a single review, and it is out of stock and "special order, non-returnable" at both B&H and Adorama.  Can anyone provide info on this? I am particularly interested because I am upgrading from an NEC 3090QXi that I've been using since 2008 and it has been outstanding and trouble free, and great for soft proofing for printing.  But, I need a new monitor for my just arrived 2019 Mac Pro.
Thanks for any help.
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Than i would choose not a 4K but the 5K screen since it scales better on OSX- as i understand.
see also diglloyd.com... Catalina seems not completely ready for the new macpro..
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« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2020, 02:56:06 pm »

Eizo does not have the same issue - unless you have some evidence of reports, there is no reason to imply this.
So it's software provides the same report?
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« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2020, 03:31:49 pm »

So it's software provides the same report?
When I bought my Eizo it came with a QA inspection sheet where the luminance was measured in a grid pattern across the screen surface. Generally dE charts are measured at only one spot, usually in the center, where the puck is placed.
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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2020, 04:21:32 pm »

When I bought my Eizo it came with a QA inspection sheet where the luminance was measured in a grid pattern across the screen surface. Generally dE charts are measured at only one spot, usually in the center, where the puck is placed.
The NECís come with a similar report but thatís not what Iím asking about. Specifically Iím asking about the same kind of report provided already for Color Tracking after a calibration using the userís instrument.
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« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2020, 05:34:43 pm »

So it's software provides the same report?

Yes, ore detailed if you want in fact. You can validate to an ISO 12646 Profile. For Adobe RGB 120 cd/m^2  My delta-E 2000, ignoring 0,0,0 which is 1.49, has  a maximum of 0.8 and an average 0f 0.2, and a white of 0.17. Black level 0.1 and contrast 1109:1.

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« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2020, 05:48:06 pm »

Yes, ore detailed if you want in fact. You can validate to an ISO 12646 Profile. For Adobe RGB 120 cd/m^2  My delta-E 2000, ignoring 0,0,0 which is 1.49, has  a maximum of 0.8 and an average 0f 0.2, and a white of 0.17. Black level 0.1 and contrast 1109:1.
The reports I refer to have nothing to AFAIK with ISO 12646. Can you provide a screen capture of what you are referring to?
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« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2020, 08:34:12 pm »

The reports I refer to have nothing to AFAIK with ISO 12646. Can you provide a screen capture of what you are referring to?

That is the patch set that is used to verify the calibration.
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« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2020, 08:56:15 pm »

That is the patch set that is used to verify the calibration.
That still doesn't answer my question about the report I'm asking you to explain.
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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2020, 09:33:27 pm »

That still doesn't answer my question about the report I'm asking you to explain.

I don't know what you are fishing for. I attached the color navigator validation report pdf.
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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2020, 09:56:53 pm »

I don't know what you are fishing for. I attached the color navigator validation report pdf.
Not fishing for anything but an answer to a question your PDF doesnít answer.
Apparently youíre not able to report the same metricís as the report Iím asking about. Fine.
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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2020, 10:03:55 pm »

Not fishing for anything but an answer to a question your PDF doesnít answer.
Apparently youíre not able to report the same metricís as the report Iím asking about. Fine.

Gray scale is at the bottom of the report.
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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2020, 10:17:25 pm »

Gray scale is at the bottom of the report.
Yes, but again, itís not the same reporting of grayscale tracking; thereís only 9 values reported that I see (126-134). And I donít see an average of just those 9. And it uses a different dE formula. And it ignores 0/0/0. And weíre using different calibration targets if you want to compare the two.
So again, apparently its software doesnít provides the same report, which was my question.
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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2020, 10:48:08 pm »

Yes, but again, itís not the same reporting of grayscale tracking; thereís only 9 values reported that I see (126-134). And I donít see an average of just those 9. And it uses a different dE formula. And it ignores 0/0/0. And weíre using different calibration targets if you want to compare the two.
So again, apparently its software doesnít provides the same report, which was my question.

The grayscale in the report covers the region where the 271q was problematic. Why do you need a freaking average? -They are around 0.2 or below whereas the 271q was in the 2-3 + range there. Yeah it uses a different dE formula, not the old CIE94 that spectraview uses (the validation generates CIE94, but tosses it when it generates the report).  You know they are not that different. And yeah, the reports are different - the EIZO are generated by superior software.  How can grayscale targets be different, duh? You are just looking for excuses.  But I knew you were going to come back like this, that is what fanboys do, so I created a custom validation target (do that with spectraview) of a finer grayscale and attached the report.   

EDIT:  I should also note I have the priority set to standard rather than Gray balance.
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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2020, 11:44:49 pm »

 You clearly donít understand the question asked, nor the facts about the differences in the two reports Iíve pointed out. Again, fine.
Nor do you understand that reports were provided from the 271Q that were not at all problematic.
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