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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2020, 12:05:09 am »

You clearly donít understand the question asked, nor the facts about the differences in the two reports Iíve pointed out. Again, fine.
Nor do you understand that reports were provided from the 271Q that were not at all problematic.

Clearly you have not asked a sensible question and the differences you listed are not pertinent as I pointed out. No, I cannot present the exact graph as with ColorNavigator as Spectraview but that is irrelevant - I provided you the data (unless you cant do the calculation of 120*(value/255)). I don't care if there are some 271q that had no issues, many did, including the two I had. And you have nothing to support your supposition that this 271q  problem  extends Eizo and other manufacturers, which shows your bias.

You seem to have copious amount of free time to spend wasting other peoples time. The weak arguments you present display a need to always be right and have the last word, no matter the facts.  I unblocked recently you as I think you have experience  and expertise to share but I now see that was a mistake and have blocked you again. It is not worth it.

EDIT: One last thing I want to say. Why don't you spend some time and show us a single shred of  evidence that EIZO monitors are plagued by the same issue as the 271q or shut-up.
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2020, 08:53:21 am »

They are both too expensive, especially Eizo. Iím switching from NEC to Ben-Q.





Clearly you have not asked a sensible question and the differences you listed are not pertinent as I pointed out. No, I cannot present the exact graph as with ColorNavigator as Spectraview but that is irrelevant - I provided you the data (unless you cant do the calculation of 120*(value/255)). I don't care if there are some 271q that had no issues, many did, including the two I had. And you have nothing to support your supposition that this 271q  problem  extends Eizo and other manufacturers, which shows your bias.

You seem to have copious amount of free time to spend wasting other peoples time. The weak arguments you present display a need to always be right and have the last word, no matter the facts.  I unblocked recently you as I think you have experience  and expertise to share but I now see that was a mistake and have blocked you again. It is not worth it.

EDIT: One last thing I want to say. Why don't you spend some time and show us a single shred of  evidence that EIZO monitors are plagued by the same issue as the 271q or shut-up.
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2020, 09:30:56 am »

Clearly you have not asked a sensible question and the differences you listed are not pertinent as I pointed out.
"He who asks a question is a fool for five minutes; he who does not ask a question remains a fool forever".  -Chinese Proverb
He who ignores the colorimetric differences is being colorimetric foolish 😝
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2020, 01:02:36 pm »

They are both too expensive, especially Eizo. Iím switching from NEC to Ben-Q.

Hi John,

I would appreciate it if you were to let us know how the BenQ display is working for you once you have it up and running.  Also, which app and hardware you use for calibration.  My PA271 is dying after about 5 years of rather heavy usage, as did the PA2690 before that.  At this point in my printing career, business is slowing down, so the idea of shelling out another $1800.00 CDN for the 271Q doesn't really make much sense.  I have seen some rather positive reviews about the Ben-Q series, but your experience would be very useful in my opinion. 
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2020, 02:10:32 pm »

Hi John,

I would appreciate it if you were to let us know how the BenQ display is working for you once you have it up and running.  Also, which app and hardware you use for calibration.  My PA271 is dying after about 5 years of rather heavy usage, as did the PA2690 before that.  At this point in my printing career, business is slowing down, so the idea of shelling out another $1800.00 CDN for the 271Q doesn't really make much sense.  I have seen some rather positive reviews about the Ben-Q series, but your experience would be very useful in my opinion.

I have 4 displays in total (counting my MBP laptop) as I need 3 screens for motion picture color correction (2 GUI + calibrated image viewing display).  My "hero" display is an Eizo (CX271), and one of my GUI displays is an old Dell IPS/wide gamut display that I bought used for $200.

While the Eizo is clearly the best display here for photo editing, I could get by with the Dell if I needed to.  Uniformity is not quite as good, and the blacks are ever so slightly brighter, but I can edit with it if necessary.  And I suspect a BenQ would be usable as well. 

I can even edit photos on my MBP screen (after profiling with an iOne Display) and get by with that if I needed to.  And it's not even wide gamut.

So, yes, you don't absolutely need the most expensive displays as long as you can profile/calibrate them.

That said, for me, I have seen the newer Eizo displays that can reach 1500:1 contrast, and I would much prefer those with their deeper blacks.  I assume the new NEC displays use a similar panel.  While a printed photograph can not come close to 1500:1 contrast, psychologically, the deeper blacks do "suggest" what a print on glossy paper might look like, so it's still useful.  And softproofing will raise the black level a bit to match the print contrast.

For me 4k at 27inches might leave all text too small, so I would also need a 2nd display for the Photoshop GUI, just to read the type :)  But a $100 cheapo display could work for the GUI...

Lastly, I do find the 27inch size just about right for my needs.
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2020, 02:19:47 pm »

That said, for me, I have seen the newer Eizo displays that can reach 1500:1 contrast, and I would much prefer those with their deeper blacks.  I assume the new NEC displays use a similar panel.  While a printed photograph can not come close to 1500:1 contrast, psychologically, the deeper blacks do "suggest" what a print on glossy paper might look like, so it's still useful.
Keep in mind that the contrast ratio per se doesnít tell us about how black, black is but the entire ratio from the black to the brightest white.
This old piece for Sony Artisan (which had at the time, incredible control over black) does illustrate the importance of black and the calibration of black:
http://digitaldog.net/files/BlackisBack.pdf
Here is where OLED displays may be more useful to those interested in the blackest black and where a newer Colorimeter like the i1Display PLUS comes in handy.   
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2020, 02:48:28 pm »

Keep in mind that the contrast ratio per se doesnít tell us about how black, black is but the entire ratio from the black to the brightest white.
This old piece for Sony Artisan (which had at the time, incredible control over black) does illustrate the importance of black and the calibration of black:
http://digitaldog.net/files/BlackisBack.pdf
Here is where OLED displays may be more useful to those interested in the blackest black and where a newer Colorimeter like the i1Display PLUS comes in handy.   

Yes.  LCD displays in general don't have very accurate blacks and near blacks unless they are lifted enough for R=G=B.  Strangely, I don't find the inaccurate blacks too much of an issue as it's more difficult to perceive the color of near black.  When in doubt, I use the eye dropper to measure the color of the near blacks to bring them close to neutral.

I'm not so sure that OLED displays are so good for Photoshop and still photography in general as they have issues with retention of images (not so much an issue when watching movies) and ABL which can make simple profiling of them problematic.  (I once tried to make a .icc profile of my plasma TV and it was a complete failure do to the white and near white patches changing brightness)  I think this is why no one is making an OLED computer display...
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2020, 08:17:53 am »

They are both too expensive, especially Eizo. Iím switching from NEC to Ben-Q.

Hello again John.  Just wondering how your BenQ is working for you.  I've been doing some research on the BenQ SW2700PT 27" Display and all of the reviews I've read so far are positive.  Lots of add-ons that one would probably not expect, as well as the really important stuff that we always look for in a display to be used for photographic editing and printing.  Of course the most important reviews are the ones we read from the folks here on LuLa.  Don't know which BenQ you were looking at, but it would be much appreciated if you would give us some of your pros and cons if possible.

Thanks John  :)       
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Re: Some feedback on BenQ Display
« Reply #48 on: February 21, 2020, 02:36:43 am »

Hello again John.  Just wondering how your BenQ is working for you.  I've been doing some research on the BenQ SW2700PT 27" Display ...     

I would pay attention to panel luminance uniformity issues where BenQ has a long standing record of "oh NOs"!
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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #49 on: February 21, 2020, 10:35:22 am »

Iím curious.  For those of you using 4K for editing and soft proofing, are you finding advantages over the lower resolution monitors that have been more or less the standard?  Iím not sure Iím expressing myself well.  Iím currently using an NEC PA 302W SV II monitor that is pretty wonderful and consistent.   What would I gain by going to something like the P111D?  What is the advantage for editing and soft proofing in 4K?  Or is the difference in merely viewing oneís work?

Thanks in advance for insight.

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Re: Eizo 27" 4k announced - anything similar but more affordable, eg from NEC?
« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2020, 02:06:49 pm »

I used to work with the NEC 271w, but for a couple of years now i work with the eizo 248K4, a 24" 4k monitor. The main reason is that i do not see de display raster. So i can see smoothness of transitions or edges without the disturbing display raster.
I also testes the 31.5 inch 4k monitor, bit the i see this raster again.
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