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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #200 on: December 03, 2019, 08:54:41 pm »

So life goes on.  All the angst about the Kurds and the US pulling out.  Just a lot of anti_Trump stuff.  The Turks got their buffer zone and the Kurds make new deals as they always have in the past.  Let the Russians be involved in Middle East intrigue and death. They'll get tired of it too. 

Kurds In Syria Make A Deal With Russia
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/02/784225309/kurds-in-syria-make-a-deal-with-russia

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And so we're going down the highway. And on one side, there is now a collection of buildings that has a Russian flag flying. And not only the flag, there were soldiers on the roof. And the weird thing about this also is, after driving past that new Russian base, we turned down a highway and there is a U.S. convoy - armored vehicles flying the American flag because, although the numbers of U.S. forces have been reduced here, they're not entirely gone. There's still 400 to 500 of them. So it makes for a very interesting space here.

is this the end of the Cold War? Both, Russians and Americans protecting the Kurds?
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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #201 on: December 03, 2019, 09:40:45 pm »

from the linked article:
is this the end of the Cold War? Both, Russians and Americans protecting the Kurds?

Protecting oil ..., and the Turks don't like it a bit.
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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #202 on: December 03, 2019, 10:47:47 pm »

from the linked article:
is this the end of the Cold War? Both, Russians and Americans protecting the Kurds?
No one cares about the Kurds.  Once the political attacks ended on Trump making him look like a unfeeling hard nose, everyone moved on to the next things they could attack him on.  The people who cared so much about the Kurds could care less and already forgot about them.  After I signed off a couple of weeks ago, no one here even bothered to post another thought on the issue until I came back and said something.  It was all just a hullabaloo about getting Trump.  Just like no one really cared about Russian influence, emoluments, Ukraine, etc.  It's all about getting power for the left and the democrats and attacking and smearing the president to get it. 

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« Reply #203 on: December 03, 2019, 11:10:07 pm »

No one cares about the Kurds.  Once the political attacks ended on Trump making him look like a unfeeling hard nose, everyone moved on to the next things they could attack him on.  The people who cared so much about the Kurds could care less and already forgot about them.  After I signed off a couple of weeks ago, no one here even bothered to post another thought on the issue until I came back and said something.  It was all just a hullabaloo about getting Trump.  Just like no one really cared about Russian influence, emoluments, Ukraine, etc.  It's all about getting power for the left and the democrats and attacking and smearing the president to get it.

IMHO, more people care for Kurds than for Trump.
But I care also for Trump. That's why I posted an excerpt from his November medical report that he should go on a healthier diet.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=132282.msg1139563#msg1139563
 
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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #204 on: December 04, 2019, 10:07:30 am »

IMHO, more people care for Kurds than for Trump.
But I care also for Trump. That's why I posted an excerpt from his November medical report that he should go on a healthier diet.

https://forum.luminous-landscape.com/index.php?topic=132282.msg1139563#msg1139563

And that's a shame, because never mind Kurds, he is alienating more friends of America and Americans than anyone before him. Unless you already know some Americans, it is very easy to slip into the mistake of equating the two, America and all its citizens with Trumpian political style and stance.

Rob

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« Reply #205 on: December 04, 2019, 10:35:27 am »

Trump unlike Obama doesn't want to be loved by the rest of the world.  He's only concerned with American interests.   If other's interest match ours,great.   If not, well that's the way it will have to be.

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« Reply #206 on: December 04, 2019, 12:43:06 pm »

Trump unlike Obama doesn't want to be loved by the rest of the world.  He's only concerned with American interests.   If other's interest match ours,great.   If not, well that's the way it will have to be.

I like the way you slide in the unfounded assumption that Obama wanted to be loved by the rest of the world.

Why do you confuse Twitter loud-mouthing with action?

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« Reply #207 on: December 04, 2019, 12:47:54 pm »

I like the way you slide in the unfounded assumption that Obama wanted to be loved by the rest of the world.

Why do you confuse Twitter loud-mouthing with action?


Innocence?

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« Reply #208 on: December 04, 2019, 02:02:36 pm »

And that's a shame, because never mind Kurds, he is alienating more friends of America and Americans than anyone before him. Unless you already know some Americans, it is very easy to slip into the mistake of equating the two, America and all its citizens with Trumpian political style and stance.

Rob

This makes me sad.
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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #209 on: December 04, 2019, 02:37:32 pm »

I like the way you slide in the unfounded assumption that Obama wanted to be loved by the rest of the world.

Why do you confuse Twitter loud-mouthing with action?



Here's what Trump has done.




Trump Administration Accomplishments
Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

 
 
 

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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #210 on: December 04, 2019, 03:14:37 pm »

This makes me sad.

Me too; and I have the very same problem with my old party of choice, the Conservatives: I can't recognize it today. Were I still able to vote, I would have to abstain.

Rob

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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #211 on: December 04, 2019, 04:57:45 pm »

Here's what Trump has done.
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Wrong thread.
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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #212 on: December 04, 2019, 06:32:31 pm »

Wrong thread.
I was refuting Robert's complaint. 

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« Reply #213 on: December 04, 2019, 06:43:24 pm »

The Wall Street Journal reports:

"The Trump administration is considering a significant expansion of the U.S. military footprint in the Middle East, including dozens more ships, other military hardware and as many as 14,000 additional troops to counter Iran, U.S. officials said."

So much for the rationale for abandoning the Kurds to bring the boys home.
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« Reply #214 on: December 04, 2019, 11:49:52 pm »

The Wall Street Journal reports:

"The Trump administration is considering a significant expansion of the U.S. military footprint in the Middle East, including dozens more ships, other military hardware and as many as 14,000 additional troops to counter Iran, U.S. officials said."

So much for the rationale for abandoning the Kurds to bring the boys home.

The two aren't related.  Trump pulled out because Turkey is an ally in NATO and considers the Kurds a danger to their country.  We couldn;t support the Kurds against our ally.  Now Iran is a different matter.  We want them to stop causing trouble in the Middle East.  They been threatening our allies there so he wants to up the protection.  Whether he should or not is a different discussion.  But it's not related to his Kurd decision. 

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« Reply #215 on: December 05, 2019, 03:55:21 am »

The Wall Street Journal reports:

"The Trump administration is considering a significant expansion of the U.S. military footprint in the Middle East, including dozens more ships, other military hardware and as many as 14,000 additional troops to counter Iran, U.S. officials said."

So much for the rationale for abandoning the Kurds to bring the boys home.

When policy is scat, what can you expect?

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« Reply #216 on: December 05, 2019, 06:34:11 am »

The two aren't related.  Trump pulled out because Turkey is an ally in NATO and considers the Kurds a danger to their country.  We couldn;t support the Kurds against our ally.  Now Iran is a different matter.  We want them to stop causing trouble in the Middle East.  They been threatening our allies there so he wants to up the protection.  Whether he should or not is a different discussion.  But it's not related to his Kurd decision.

It's all related, to oil sources and weapons sales.
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« Reply #217 on: December 05, 2019, 06:58:51 am »

It's all related, to oil sources and weapons sales.
Well Iran did attack Saudi oil facilities recently.   

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« Reply #218 on: December 05, 2019, 12:01:23 pm »

Well Iran did attack Saudi oil facilities recently.

Did they? Or was it Jemen, or ...?

And when Trump over-night pulled out the troops from the Syrian region where the Kurds live, why did he return troops after betraying the Kurds, when Russians and Syrians attempted to gain control over the oilfields in the region also called Kurdistan?
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« Reply #219 on: December 05, 2019, 01:09:50 pm »

Bart.  The Dutch are welcome to build Kurdistan. 
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