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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #160 on: October 20, 2019, 06:57:14 pm »

He didn't bring home troops in Europe, South Korea, Japan, and a hundred other places either.  That has nothing to do with leaving troops in Syria defending Kurds and helping them nation build?  It's not our job.  Get over it. 

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« Reply #161 on: October 20, 2019, 07:16:59 pm »

He didn't bring home troops in Europe, South Korea, Japan, and a hundred other places either.  That has nothing to do with leaving troops in Syria defending Kurds and helping them nation build?  It's not our job.  Get over it.

You are over-analyzing it, Alan.
I suspect that the real reason for the army withdrawal was a telephone call from Turkey in which Erdogan gave him an advance notice that they are going in, and that he better gets his troups out of the trouble. Iraq seemed a convenient place to move the troups to.
 
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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #162 on: October 20, 2019, 08:06:14 pm »

You are over-analyzing it, Alan.
I suspect that the real reason for the army withdrawal was a telephone call from Turkey in which Erdogan gave him an advance notice that they are going in, and that he better gets his troups out of the trouble. Iraq seemed a convenient place to move the troups to.
 
Exactly.  Trump didn't want to leave American troops in the middle of a fight that was going to commence.  Trump has been telling everyone for months he intended to get our troops out.  Turkey has be complaining longer that they have to stop Kurdish terrorists.  Trump and Erdogan were in agreement.   If America stayed,  we'd have to go against Turkey, our ally and commit to nation building for the Kurds which is not in American interests.   

By the way, so there are no surprises, Trump is trying very hard to also get our troops out of Afghanistan even though the Taliban will probably be able to take over again.  Sure there are quasi realistic peace talks going on between American, Taliban and the current Afghanistan government.  Meanwhile the Taliban is getting stronger and has taken over more provinces than ever.  They're talking but know that Trump wants to pull out.  So they biding their time.  Trump may change his mind and stay or keep a small force.  But getting out of ME wars where we're in direct conflict is his plan.  So when it happens, you'll hear the same old complaints from all the Neocons and Democrats how we're abandoning our allies on the battlefield.  So for those nations who think that shouldn't happen, you now have plenty of time to send your own troops into Afghanistan to pick up the slack and defend the Afghans.  Don't complain later.

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« Reply #163 on: October 20, 2019, 08:23:33 pm »

If America stayed,  we'd have to go against Turkey, our ally and commit to nation building for the Kurds which is not in American interests.   

Trump should have consulted with Dr. Oz who at one time served in Turkish army.
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« Reply #164 on: October 20, 2019, 08:55:44 pm »

Trump should have consulted with Dr. Oz who at one time served in Turkish army.
Oz, who is Turkish, is a heart specialist and researcher and still on the Board of NY Presbyterian Hospital and is the Dr. Oz of TV fame.  NY Presbyterian is where I had my heart surgery.  However, my cardiologist there made arrangements with a top heart surgeon to handle my case, Dr. Yoshifumi Naka, who is Japanese.  https://columbiasurgery.org/yoshifumi-naka-md-phd    I don;t think Naka served in the Japanese army though.

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« Reply #165 on: October 20, 2019, 09:34:46 pm »

Trump blinks to political pressure.  He'll leave a couple of hundred troops in eastern Syria to fight ISIS remnants and join Kurds to protect their oil from the Russians and Syrians.  We're back in the game again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/20/world/middleeast/trump-troops-syria-turkey.html

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« Reply #166 on: October 22, 2019, 04:33:03 pm »

Looks like Kurds will withdraw from the buffer zone as other with protect the area without American involvement. 

Turkey announces new deal with Russia as US says its Syria ceasefire has succeeded.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/turkey-announces-deal-russia-us-syria-ceasefire-succeeded/story?id=66444947

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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #167 on: October 24, 2019, 10:59:43 pm »

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« Reply #168 on: October 25, 2019, 05:42:41 am »

So, after betraying it's allies, saying it has no business being in Syria, after handing over control to Russia, the USA is back ...

Eyeing oilfields, U.S. aims to reinforce position in Syria: official
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-usa-pentagon/eyeing-oilfields-u-s-aims-to-reinforce-position-in-syria-official-idUSKBN1X32QN

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is committed to reinforcing its military position in Syria with additional assets to prevent oilfields from being taken over by remnants of the Islamic State militant group or others, a U.S. defense official said on Thursday.

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The vacuum left by Trump’s partial withdrawal also created an opening that Russia capitalized on by moving forces into the area. U.S. officials worry that Iran-backed forces in Syria could also capitalize on the chaos.

Amid fears that Islamic State could stage a comeback, Trump said on Wednesday a small number of U.S. troops would remain in the area of Syria “where they have the oil,” a reference to oilfields in the Kurdish-controlled region.

[rethorical question]So, was ISIS defeated, or not? [/rethorical question]
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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #169 on: October 25, 2019, 08:56:40 am »

So, after betraying it's allies, saying it has no business being in Syria, after handing over control to Russia, the USA is back ...

Eyeing oilfields, U.S. aims to reinforce position in Syria: official
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-usa-pentagon/eyeing-oilfields-u-s-aims-to-reinforce-position-in-syria-official-idUSKBN1X32QN

[rethorical question]So, was ISIS defeated, or not? [/rethorical question]
Trump moved forces there to quiet down the political opposition to his pulling out here in America.  There's no reason for us to be there defending someone else's oil.  (In any case, whose oil is it?  Kurs?  Syrians?  Iraqis?) He'll move those forces out of there first chance he gets which is the right thing to do.  ISIS has no power. Whatever remnants remain are not a threat to America or frankly Europe either.  Be thankful Trump took care of them for you.  Remnants can be handled by remaining KURD, Russian, Iraqi, Turkish and Syrian forces.  We might drop a bomb or two just to show we're still killing them.  It's no longer our fight.  No one here really cares about the Kurds unfortunately.  Americans don't want our people bleeding there any longer.  It's all about the 2020 election and knocking Trump. 

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« Reply #170 on: October 25, 2019, 12:10:37 pm »

In any case, whose oil is it?  Kurs?  Syrians?  Iraqis?
He is "protecting" oil fields located in Syria.
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Re: Incursions into Syria
« Reply #171 on: October 25, 2019, 12:13:52 pm »

It's no longer our fight.  No one here really cares about the Kurds unfortunately.  Americans don't want our people bleeding there any longer.  It's all about the 2020 election and knocking Trump.
You are projecting your views onto everyone else. I don't recall any groundswell of support for pulling out of Syria. Quite the opposite. Even from Republicans.
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« Reply #172 on: October 25, 2019, 03:40:01 pm »

He is "protecting" oil fields located in Syria.
So who owns them?  The Kurds or the Syrians.  If it belongs to the Syrians, then we'll be helping the Kurds steal them.  What are we doing there?

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« Reply #173 on: October 25, 2019, 03:45:23 pm »

You are projecting your views onto everyone else. I don't recall any groundswell of support for pulling out of Syria. Quite the opposite. Even from Republicans.
I haven;t seen the polls.  But I think you're conflating honest feelings for the KUrds and wanting to stay in Syria.  Americans I don't think want to bleed anymore in Syria, or Iraq, or...?  I think if the question was asked, Would you be willing to have your son fight in Syria to help the Kurds? Or should we continue fighting in Syrian at the lost of more American soldiers, you'd get a 90% NO answer from Americans.  Of course if you ask if we should help our allies the Kurds who we helped destroy ISIS, you'd get a different response.  It's all how you pose the question.

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« Reply #174 on: October 25, 2019, 04:20:15 pm »

So who owns them?  The Kurds or the Syrians.  If it belongs to the Syrians, then we'll be helping the Kurds steal them.  What are we doing there?

These happen to be the same Syrians which Trump tried to scare by unleashing 59 Tomahawks two years ago.
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« Reply #175 on: October 25, 2019, 05:34:51 pm »

These happen to be the same Syrians which Trump tried to scare by unleashing 59 Tomahawks two years ago.
So because Assad is a murderer, now it's OK for us to become thieves and steal Syrian oil for the Kurds?  I know you didn;t mean that. 

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« Reply #176 on: October 25, 2019, 07:22:23 pm »

No, I didn't mean that. Protecting Kurds and innocent Syrians from Turks and pro-Turkish militia would have been a noble thing to do.

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Turkish-backed groups have killed nine civilians, including a female politician, in northeastern Syria, according to a human rights monitor.
Hevrin Khalaf, the Future Syria Party’s secretary-general, and her driver were ambushed and shot dead on Saturday, according to Kurdish forces.
“The nine civilians were executed at different moments south of the town of Tal Abyad,” the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-turkey-kurdish-deaths-civilians-female-politician-hevrin-khalaf-future-syria-party-a9153796.html
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« Reply #177 on: October 27, 2019, 09:58:39 am »

It seems that Trump isn't done with Syria.  He's eliminated the head of ISIS. The rest of the world can now breathe easier.   

TRUMP APPROVES SPECIAL OPS RAID TARGETING ISIS LEADER BAGHDADI, MILITARY SAYS HE'S DEAD
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-approves-special-ops-raid-targeting-isis-leader-baghdadi-1467982

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« Reply #178 on: October 27, 2019, 11:09:15 am »

It seems that Trump isn't done with Syria.  He's eliminated the head of ISIS. The rest of the world can now breathe easier.   

TRUMP APPROVES SPECIAL OPS RAID TARGETING ISIS LEADER BAGHDADI, MILITARY SAYS HE'S DEAD
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-approves-special-ops-raid-targeting-isis-leader-baghdadi-1467982

Everyone is safe at last. ;)
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« Reply #179 on: October 27, 2019, 01:27:25 pm »

Everyone is safe at last. ;)
Well, it's not just al Baghdadi, it's that Trump eliminated ISIS territory after he became President, something the previous president was dragging his feet on.  Trump had General Mattis do what he had to do to execute their demise working with our allies, mainly the Iraqis (and Kurds-added).  Europeans in particular are safer from terrorist attacks inspired by ISIS.  I'm not surprised you and many others here would never give him any credit.  The anti-Trump media will also never give him credit.  You never hear how Trump destroyed ISIS.  As I write this, the anti-Trump media is knocking him regarding Syria policy even during the discussion on al Baghdadi.  I just hope independents can read through all the media smoke and mirrors. 
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