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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1660 on: November 24, 2019, 11:06:44 am »

Can you outline the Bidens' corruption for the uninitiated.
Read my earlier posts.

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« Reply #1661 on: November 24, 2019, 11:28:25 am »

"Whom," Bart. (Yeah. There I go again with the Nazi language corrections. Hahaha. I'll NEVER stop!)

Actually Russ, I looked it up before posting, and based on that decided to use 'who' instead of 'whom'. Another way to phrase it could be; Who says he committed corruption?

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Actually, according to practically every news source in the U.S. that's not printing or pumping out fake news. I don't think anyone knows what Nancy's gonna do, but it's clear that support for impeachment is falling to a very low level.

In Nancy's case, I think she's worried about what'll happen in the Senate if the House impeaches. All of a sudden we'll have a situation where Republicans can require crooks like Schiff to testify under oath. Won't be good for the Dems.

It took Nanci Pelosi a long time to decide whether or not to start an investigation leading up to impeachment. She also knew in advance that the chance that an indictment could actually be steered through the Senate (because of the Republican majority of the members of the Senate) is small. With almost every testimony, however, the issue becomes more serious (and why the obstruction of the law? What is there to hide?). Her only concern now is whether the 'average Joe' still sees the illegal behavior as serious enough to take a risk with Mike Pence for the rest of the term.

As each new sworn statement seems to add new evidence, Pelosi is more likely to keep digging until no new destructive evidence of unlawful conduct by Trump can be added. It then comes down to the Senate Republicans to either act in a non-partisan manner and honor the Constitution, or sell their souls to the devil ...
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1662 on: November 24, 2019, 11:37:51 am »

Actually Russ, I looked it up before posting, and based on that decided to use 'who' instead of 'whom'. Another way to phrase it could be; Who says he committed corruption?

It took Nanci Pelosi a long time to decide whether or not to start an investigation leading up to impeachment. She also knew in advance that the chance that an indictment could actually be steered through the Senate (because of the Republican majority of the members of the Senate) is small. With almost every testimony, however, the issue becomes more serious (and why the obstruction of the law? What is there to hide?). Her only concern now is whether the 'average Joe' still sees the illegal behavior as serious enough to take a risk with Mike Pence for the rest of the term.

As each new sworn statement seems to add new evidence, Pelosi is more likely to keep digging until no new destructive evidence of unlawful conduct by Trump can be added. It then comes down to the Senate Republicans to either act in a non-partisan manner and honor the Constitution, or sell their souls to the devil ...
I hope Pelosi follows your advice and keeps digging.  She's digging a grave for Biden. 

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« Reply #1663 on: November 24, 2019, 11:40:42 am »

I hope Pelosi follows your advice and keeps digging.  She's digging a grave for Biden.

Biden is a bad candidate. No loss.
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« Reply #1664 on: November 24, 2019, 11:44:09 am »

Take a chill-pill, Bart. It's hard enough for people here in the US to separate the facts from the BS, so we really don't need the long-distance noise.
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« Reply #1665 on: November 24, 2019, 01:07:05 pm »

Take a chill-pill, Bart. It's hard enough for people here in the US to separate the facts from the BS, so we really don't need the long-distance noise.

Don't worry Frans, I'm calm and relaxed.

Maybe some introspection by some Americans is justified.
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« Reply #1666 on: November 24, 2019, 02:43:51 pm »

Biden is a bad candidate. No loss.
That gives hope to Hillary.

"I'm baaack."

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« Reply #1667 on: November 24, 2019, 03:08:43 pm »

That gives hope to Hillary.

"I'm baaack."

How about Michelle Obama ...?
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« Reply #1668 on: November 24, 2019, 03:31:47 pm »

More on the phoniness of the Russian Collusion investigation supports Trump's claim the Democrats have been using impeachment to gain a coup..  FBI lying to the FISA court.

Former FBI lawyer under investigation after allegedly altering document in 2016 Russia probe
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/21/politics/fbi-fisa-russia-investigation/index.html

Lets just point out that the public does not know what was changed on the document, only that the changes were improper. For all we know it could have been something as minor as spelling corrections and given that no details of what the changes were have leaked, it likely means that the changes themselves are not nearly as exciting as the news of the changes.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1669 on: November 24, 2019, 03:36:38 pm »

You act as if Fox News doesn't exist. They are constantly tooting Trump's horn.

Fox News *IS* Trump's horn.

The important thing to remember is that the people we see on TV just read teleprompters that tell them what to say. What we don't know is who writes the stories for the teleprompters.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1670 on: November 24, 2019, 04:05:49 pm »

The more I read this thread, the more I feel that some here - that I assume are honestly thinking what they are writing - are being held hostage by a logical fallacy.
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I wonder why this isn't the case...

Cheers,
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There's been a good psychological analysis of this.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/trump-doesnt-really-love-america/595231/

and more ...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/07/evangelical-americans-trump-supporters-progressives

but I can't find the story I want.

The reason for Trump being defended so widely and deeply by many in what seems to defy logic is rooted in social constructs. She votes for Trump so therefore I will too. My husband will vote for Trump so therefore I must too. People vote for him not because he's good or like what he stands for but because they don't want to not vote for him. If you spend some time with google and read, you'll find many stories about why Trump got elected and almost none of them have to do with real policy. It is largely all about racial divide except nobody wants to openly admit to being racist - unless you're Donald Trump.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1671 on: November 24, 2019, 04:28:01 pm »

Meanwhile, Republican Senators have grown a set and are threatening they will call the Bidens to testify at a Senate trial if the democrats do impeach in the House.

Because what the senate Republicans want to do is distract you from the real issue at hand. They're trying to perform a standard parlour magician trick - 'look over here' - to get you to shift your eyes while the real act happens elsewhere.

Lets also reflect that the president didn't care if there was an actual investigation (i.e. Trump doesn't care if the Bidens are/were corrupt), he only cared about the announcement of an investigation because that would generate negative press headlines for his political opponent.

As it stands, the threat to call the Bidens to testify in the senate will probably be the theme song the Republicans will use for the next n months. Will they call them? Doubt it. The threat of calling them is much better for them than actually calling them and then not getting the dirt they wanted. The Republicans are playing games with headlines and the public is taking the bait, hook, line and sinker. Compare their behaviour with that of the Democrats, that didn't and haven't played "threat" games with who they would call before the current committee.

And you'll be singing the song of "What if they had of called the Bidens" all through next year too because the Republicans won't but you already think they should.
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« Reply #1672 on: November 24, 2019, 04:41:34 pm »

Here in Australia we complain about our politicians and the price of things and then you travel the world and find out it's not so bad after all.
The UK and the US both seem to have the same problem. They voted for something and didn't like the result.

That seems to be in some way due to the fact that you don't have to vote therefore the lazy majority don't vote. So to win any election all you have to do is to get enough people in the right places to get on a bus and vote.

I don't know how long an impeachment process would take but I suspect at least until the next election.
Maybe the way to get rid of him is the same way he got in, by voting. Somehow I suspect that he will still get elected. Love him or hate him, he is not boring. Just keep him away from buttons.
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« Reply #1673 on: November 24, 2019, 06:13:42 pm »

Nunes spent $57,000 in taxpayer funds to fly himself and three members of his staff to Vienna to meet with Victor Shokin to dig up dirt on the Bidens. He is now subject to an ethics complaint in the House.
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« Reply #1674 on: November 24, 2019, 06:23:41 pm »

Let's see, Bill Clinton had fellatio performed on him in the Oval Office, FDR had his secretary girlfriend, and JFK slept with Marilyn Monroe and other bimbos as well.  When he got tired of them, he gave them to his brother RFK, the Attorney General. Gee I wonder what Lincoln was up too? Oh wait, he's a Republican.

Why are Americans obsessed with who their politicians have sex with? I mean, seriously, who cares. It's none of anyone's business who people have sex with.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1675 on: November 24, 2019, 08:03:42 pm »

How about Michelle Obama ...?

Nice lady.   Don't think she's interested.

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« Reply #1676 on: November 24, 2019, 08:09:10 pm »

Lets just point out that the public does not know what was changed on the document, only that the changes were improper. For all we know it could have been something as minor as spelling corrections and given that no details of what the changes were have leaked, it likely means that the changes themselves are not nearly as exciting as the news of the changes.
But the country went through two years of angst which continues today because of the charge of collusion with the Russians.  We had half the country calling the president a traitor because of adulterated FISA court evidence and bias of people at the top in the FBI including this man who changed the document that went to the FISA court.  The president wasn't charged with spitting on the street.  You can be executed for treason in the US, never mind being impeached and thrown out of office.  We shouldn't be so nonchalant about these things. 

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« Reply #1677 on: November 24, 2019, 08:13:54 pm »

There's been a good psychological analysis of this.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/trump-doesnt-really-love-america/595231/

and more ...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/07/evangelical-americans-trump-supporters-progressives

but I can't find the story I want.

The reason for Trump being defended so widely and deeply by many in what seems to defy logic is rooted in social constructs. She votes for Trump so therefore I will too. My husband will vote for Trump so therefore I must too. People vote for him not because he's good or like what he stands for but because they don't want to not vote for him. If you spend some time with google and read, you'll find many stories about why Trump got elected and almost none of them have to do with real policy. It is largely all about racial divide except nobody wants to openly admit to being racist - unless you're Donald Trump.
I voted for Trump and don't appreciate being called  a racist.  I'm not one.  You've personally attacked me and my integrity and I don't like it one bit.   

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« Reply #1678 on: November 24, 2019, 08:33:35 pm »

Why are Americans obsessed with who their politicians have sex with? I mean, seriously, who cares. It's none of anyone's business who people have sex with.


Half of Hollywood movies are either about sex or killing.  People like talking about it even in other cointries. 

But, from a practical point, having illicit sex opens a politician up to blackmail especially from foreign countries.  Security clearances will be pulled if you're caught cheating.  The affair that Strosk who was cheating on his wife and Lisa what's her name his counterpart FBI agent had should have led to both their dismissal or at least to a transfer and demotion.  That's standard FBI policy.  They've both opened themselves to blackmail to domestic criminals and foreign agents.    In the military, cheating breaks down discipline and creates internecine problems that negatively affect combat readiness and teamwork under hostile conditions.  Soldiers can be demoted for adultery.  Officers can be demoted if the have an affair with someone beneath them in rank especially if they report to them.  The deal here is that military doesn;t want those with rank to take advantage of underlings.  For politicians, if they're cheating on their wives or husbands, do they have the scruples to not cheat on the voters, or are they lining their pockets as well.  Having integrity doesn't end at the bedroom door.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1679 on: November 24, 2019, 08:43:15 pm »

Why are Americans obsessed with who their politicians have sex with? I mean, seriously, who cares. It's none of anyone's business who people have sex with.

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