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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1580 on: November 21, 2019, 11:47:42 pm »


What are Democrats going to talk about next year before the election?
Poll finds sharp swing in opposition to impeachment among independents
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/471542-poll-finds-sharp-swing-in-opposition-to-impeachment-among-independents

Marquette Poll shows support for impeachment has slipped in Wisconsin as Trump leads 4 top Democratic rivals
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/11/20/marquette-poll-impeachment-donald-trump-democratic-race/4244453002/



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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1581 on: November 22, 2019, 03:29:28 am »

What are Democrats going to talk about next year before the election?

The progressive ones will talk about the night-mode on the upcoming 5G iPhone 12.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1582 on: November 22, 2019, 08:54:23 am »

The progressive ones will talk about the night-mode on the upcoming 5G iPhone 12.

And if they win, God forbid, we would need that mode, when the darkness descends upon us  ;)

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1583 on: November 22, 2019, 09:31:06 am »

... someone’s hearsay, or what someone perceived, or what someone thought Trump had in mind. And what you’ve been saying for weeks is just wishful thinking.

No, hard first hand evidence of what Trump said and did.

Nooooo... not only had you not read about the details of the impeachment procedure.... but you haven’t even listened to the testimonies... ;)

What are you afraid of?

Next thing you are going to complain that the left press lied about the content of the secret testimonies right?

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1584 on: November 22, 2019, 09:38:10 am »

If the Democrats who run the House allowed Republicans to call the whistleblower Eric Ciaramella to testify, they would find there was a democrat political conspiracy or at least that he was biased and the whole thing was a setup like the Russian collusion charge.  Also, the Democrats are preventing the Republicans from calling ex-VP Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden to testify about the possible collusion they were involved with Burisma, a corrupt corporation in Ukraine, which would reasonably and legally justify the investigation called for by the president of the US.  The Democrats and anti-Trump press are protecting the Bidens.

Completely irrelevant. Everything the whistleblower said was true.

All the other guys, mostly republicans, who didn’t whistleblow this are likely to be punished for not reporting an illegal action.

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1585 on: November 22, 2019, 09:41:58 am »

...What are you afraid of?...

Wasting my time?

On what is clearly a political charade from the beginning.

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« Reply #1586 on: November 22, 2019, 10:05:05 am »

Wasting my time?

On what is clearly a political charade from the beginning.

It was started by a Trump IG responding to an internal report (now corroborated by multiple witnesses) that said IG deemed credible and appropriately and legally referred to Congress.

You can claim that the Democrats haven’t proven their case (and I can counter with the fact that it hard to do when the primary witnesses refuse to testify), or you can claim that Trump’s behavior doesn’t rise to the level of impeachable conduct (and I can counter with about eleventy billion Republicans talking about what was “clearly” grounds for impeachment when Clinton was the subject), but the idea that it’s an illegitimate inquiry is silly.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1587 on: November 22, 2019, 10:56:16 am »

... when Clinton was the subject), but the idea that it’s an illegitimate inquiry is silly.

Since I always thought Clinton's* impeachment was silly...

* at least we knew who his whistleblower was ;)

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« Reply #1588 on: November 22, 2019, 11:59:04 am »

It was started by a Trump IG responding to an internal report (now corroborated by multiple witnesses) that said IG deemed credible and appropriately and legally referred to Congress.

You can claim that the Democrats haven’t proven their case (and I can counter with the fact that it hard to do when the primary witnesses refuse to testify), or you can claim that Trump’s behavior doesn’t rise to the level of impeachable conduct (and I can counter with about eleventy billion Republicans talking about what was “clearly” grounds for impeachment when Clinton was the subject), but the idea that it’s an illegitimate inquiry is silly.
If the IG has the authority so does the president because the IG works for the President.  It's the same if your immediate boss fires you.  If he can do that, the CEO of the corporation can fire you because authority flows upwards.  It's the same with deflassifying material.  The president can override the usual procedures and declassify anything he wants because he's the president.  If the president wants to call for an investigation because he feels the Bidens are crooks, the constitution gives him that authority.  Infact, who would ask Ukraine to investigate other than the president?  He doesn't have to depend on some underling to approve it first. 

Of course, from a political standpoint, it may look better.  Distance gives deniability like Obama can claim he didn't order surveillance of Trump collusion, that it came from others.  That just makes Trump more of a stand-up kind of guy who takes responsibility for his actions.  He just has to standby them and say that he did it because the Bidens are crooks.  People can understand that and would agree.  By weaseling out of it, saying there was no quid pro quo, he just looks more guilty.  He should say yes there was a quid pro quo because I wanted the Bidens to be investigated because they're crooks.  That's perfectly legal. 

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« Reply #1589 on: November 22, 2019, 12:33:56 pm »

Since I always thought Clinton's* impeachment was silly...

* at least we knew who his whistleblower was ;)

Then I appreciate your intellectual consistency.  Wish I could say the same for some of the clowns in Congress (on both sides).
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1590 on: November 22, 2019, 02:29:40 pm »

Republican senator Graham sent a shot across the bow of the Democrats in the House. If they go ahead and impeach Trump, then both Bidens will be called to testify as to their corruptionin the Ukraine at the Senate trial for Trump.  Like I said previously, the democrat impeachment will destroy Biden's chance for the presidency.  The democrat are still playing checkers while Trump is playing chess.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/21/graham-ukraine-state-department-biden-072692

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1591 on: November 22, 2019, 02:32:41 pm »

I think Pelosi will shut down the impeachment hearing saying something along the line that it would be better for the public to decide the fate of the president in the election then Congress and let it go at that. That way Biden can continue to run for the nomination.   

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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1592 on: November 22, 2019, 04:38:58 pm »

Republican senator Graham sent a shot across the bow of the Democrats in the House.
LOL!!!  Lindsey Graham on Joe Biden "“If you can’t admire Joe Biden as a person, then probably you’ve got a problem; you need to do some self-evaluation. Cause what’s not to like?” Graham said at the time. “He is as good a man as God ever created.”
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1593 on: November 22, 2019, 04:43:36 pm »

Let's investigate Don Jr.  $50K from the University of Florida student government for giving a speech.  Nice work if you can get it.  Impeachment proceedings agains U of Fla Student Body leader
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1594 on: November 22, 2019, 04:51:23 pm »

Let's investigate Don Jr.  $50K from the University of Florida student government for giving a speech.  Nice work if you can get it.  Impeachment proceedings agains U of Fla Student Body leader

$50k a month is a lot, but $50k for a single speech? It's huge ...
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1595 on: November 22, 2019, 05:01:36 pm »

For those who didn't read or watch the testimony of former U.S. National Security Counsel specialist and intelligence analyst Fiona Hill before the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, her opening statement (especially pages 5-7) is well worth a few minutes of your time.

In it, she provided some interesting detail that I don't recall reading elsewhere that Russia invested large amounts of money to support its covert effort to influence the 2016 election.  This, in addition to its creation of user accounts on social media that purported to be those of American political activists and groups, is how Russian intelligence operatives have been able to inject self-serving fictions into right-wing media―such as the narrative that it was Ukraine rather than Russia that was trying to manipulate the 2016 election result, which President Trump repeated yet again today.

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These fictions are harmful even if they are deployed for purely domestic political purposes. President Putin and the Russian security services operate like a Super PAC. They deploy millions of dollars to weaponize our own political opposition research and false narratives. When we are consumed by partisan rancor, we cannot combat these external forces as they seek to divide us against each another, degrade our institutions, and destroy the faith of the American people in our democracy.

Hill's points reportedly have been independently made during classified (i.e., secret) briefings given in recent weeks to members of the U.S. Senate—not surprising, since Hill is one of the few individuals to testify who would have had access to the classified information about the Russian program of political disruption that has been collected by the U.S. government and its intelligence partners.

Hill said Russia currently is "gearing up" for covert operations to influence the 2020 election.  While her comments were intended to apply to Russian operations within the United States, no doubt there have been and will continue to be similar efforts to influence elections in the United Kingdom and continental Europe.

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« Reply #1596 on: November 22, 2019, 05:32:37 pm »

For those who didn't read or watch the testimony of former U.S. National Security Counsel specialist and intelligence analyst Fiona Hill before the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, her opening statement (especially pages 5-7) is well worth a few minutes of your time.

In it, she provided some interesting detail that I don't recall reading elsewhere that Russia invested large amounts of money to support its covert effort to influence the 2016 election.  This, in addition to its creation of user accounts on social media that purported to be those of American political activists and groups, is how Russian intelligence operatives have been able to inject self-serving fictions into right-wing media―such as the narrative that it was Ukraine rather than Russia that was trying to manipulate the 2016 election result, which President Trump repeated yet again today.

Hill's points reportedly have been independently made during classified (i.e., secret) briefings given in recent weeks to members of the U.S. Senate—not surprising, since Hill is one of the few individuals to testify who would have had access to the classified information about the Russian program of political disruption that has been collected by the U.S. government and its intelligence partners.

Hill said Russia currently is "gearing up" for covert operations to influence the 2020 election.  While her comments were intended to apply to Russian operations within the United States, no doubt there have been and will continue to be similar efforts to influence elections in the United Kingdom and continental Europe.

Why didn't President Obama do something during the 2016 elections?  After all, it was during his watch and he was aware the Russians were playing games.  He once asked the Russians "to stop interfering with out elections"  That was it!

Instead, he used the phony democrat Clinton dossier to go after TRump with a phony surveillance program that continued until Mueller proved there was no collusion.  Rather then pointing fingers at Republicans, why don;t you ask Democrats to clean up their own house first? 

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« Reply #1597 on: November 22, 2019, 05:34:01 pm »

Republican senator Graham sent a shot across the bow of the Democrats in the House. If they go ahead and impeach Trump, then both Bidens will be called to testify as to their corruptionin the Ukraine at the Senate trial for Trump.  Like I said previously, the democrat impeachment will destroy Biden's chance for the presidency.  The democrat are still playing checkers while Trump is playing chess.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/21/graham-ukraine-state-department-biden-072692

Not so much the impeachment, as the Buttigieg's candidacy.
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Re: Impeaching Donald Trump
« Reply #1598 on: November 22, 2019, 05:35:11 pm »

Not so much the impeachment, as the Buttigieg's candidacy.
Why Buttigieg?  You lost me.

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« Reply #1599 on: November 22, 2019, 05:36:49 pm »

Why Buttigieg?  You lost me.

Buttigieg's polls going up, Biden's down
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