Impeaching Donald Trump

[Alan Klein]

LOL!!!  Lindsey Graham on Joe Biden "“If you can’t admire Joe Biden as a person, then probably you’ve got a problem; you need to do some self-evaluation. Cause what’s not to like?” Graham said at the time. “He is as good a man as God ever created.”

Politicians always say nice things about other politicians just before they stab them in the back.  So what's your point? 

Et tu Brutus.

[Alan Klein]

Buttigieg's polls going up, Biden's down

After the Bidens are called to testify by the Senate, Joe Biden's ratings will sink like the Titanic. 

[Alan Klein]

Let's investigate Don Jr.  $50K from the University of Florida student government for giving a speech.  Nice work if you can get it.  Impeachment proceedings agains U of Fla Student Body leader

Don Jr. can speak English.  Hunter Biden can't speak Ukrainian.

[Alan Klein]

$50k a month is a lot, but $50k for a single speech? It's huge ...

I can't wait to hear Hunter Biden's testimony in the Senate for what services he performed for $50,000 a month. I'm sure his father will be listening intently as well. 

[Alan Klein]

I think Pelosi will shut down the impeachment hearing saying something along the line that it would be better for the public to decide the fate of the president in the election then Congress and let it go at that. That way Biden can continue to run for the nomination.   

Can you imagine listening in to the phone call between Joe and the Speaker of the House?

"Hi Nancy.  How's the wine business?  Now listen, I know you;re doing a great job up their on the hill, going after the president.  But you got to understand that moron senator from the south Lindsay is really out to get me.  When he calls me (to testify)and my idiot drug addict, philandering son who's busy propagating the universe, what do I say to the public why I supported my son in the Ukraine and in China?  Those damn republicans are going to make it seem like I was splitting the $50 grand with my son.  And I don;t do drugs.  Do you want that socialist Warren or worse the Marxist Sanders to oppose Trump?  He'll bury them. I'm the only last great democrat hope against him.  So stop this nonsense in the House and do something productive for the Democrats for a change like signing the new USMCA trade bill.  Adios."

[Rob C]

For those who didn't read or watch the testimony of former U.S. National Security Counsel specialist and intelligence analyst Fiona Hill before the House of Representatives Intelligence Committee, her opening statement (especially pages 5-7) is well worth a few minutes of your time.

In it, she provided some interesting detail that I don't recall reading elsewhere that Russia invested large amounts of money to support its covert effort to influence the 2016 election.  This, in addition to its creation of user accounts on social media that purported to be those of American political activists and groups, is how Russian intelligence operatives have been able to inject self-serving fictions into right-wing media―such as the narrative that it was Ukraine rather than Russia that was trying to manipulate the 2016 election result, which President Trump repeated yet again today.

Hill's points reportedly have been independently made during classified (i.e., secret) briefings given in recent weeks to members of the U.S. Senate—not surprising, since Hill is one of the few individuals to testify who would have had access to the classified information about the Russian program of political disruption that has been collected by the U.S. government and its intelligence partners.

Hill said Russia currently is "gearing up" for covert operations to influence the 2020 election.  While her comments were intended to apply to Russian operations within the United States, no doubt there have been and will continue to be similar efforts to influence elections in the United Kingdom and continental Europe.

From what I remember watching, she did suggest that Russian influence was far from absent, even at the Brexit referendum. Destabilisation has always been a weapon in the time-tested game of divide and conquer. When it becomes easy to find either simple-minded dupes or just the everyday venal person of low morality but much influence, bingo! you don't need an army to swing into action. Blaming a country you invade for your own crimes is quite effective when you are only having to convince a bunch of fools that it's so.

And it's working. I can't remember a time when either the UK or the States appear to have been so divided, both amongst themselves as one country from the other. That is not good for either, but very good for those who seek to harm us and nullify our spheres of influence. As Britain lost an empire, the States are losing theirs, recognised, admitted or not. It's being achieved by the antics of your President, who has managed to reduce international American credibility to zero. Other than for the home fan-base and from within Israel (for obvious amd predictable reasons), or for oil dictatorships, your good name has been Sanforized.

Unfortunately, the damage doesn't stop there.

[Alan Klein]

Rob, It's expensive to be an empire. GB went broke.  Now, America can't afford it anymore.  That predates Trump. America is printing $60 billion a month again like when the 2008 crisis occured. We're a trillion dollars in debt for just this year. Our balance of trade is so negative.   At one time after WWII, America was the leading creditor country in the world.  Today we're the largest debtor country in the world.  Other countries have recovered from WWII devastation and are major competitors of ours.  Frankly our current splurge into the South China Sea and expansion of our military is a last great hurrah, I'm sorry to say as an American.  Americans are pulling back into themselves because our wealth is being dissipated.  We don't want to heal the world any more.  Our people need health care and other benefits, better jobs, more retirement income.  They don't want to see it floating overseas.  That's just ego and pride that we can't afford any more.  Others will have to survive on their own and fight for themselves.  This will continue whether Trump is re-elected or not and will accelerate.

[Robert Roaldi]

Politicians always say nice things about other politicians just before they stab them in the back.  So what's your point? 

Et tu Brutus.

You have an answer for everything.

I see in the other post that you managed to blame Obama for the previously unimportant FAKE Russian meddling.

[BernardLanguillier]

I think Pelosi will shut down the impeachment hearing saying something along the line that it would be better for the public to decide the fate of the president in the election then Congress and let it go at that. That way Biden can continue to run for the nomination.

The fantasy world in which you appear to be living is drifting away from reality at an increasingly high speed Alan.

Cheers,
Bernard

[BernardLanguillier]

Wasting my time?

On what is clearly a political charade from the beginning.

Talk about a great contributor to the democracy you are living in. You are basically signing a white check for Trump just because he is Republican... incredible stuff... there is nothing he could have done that would make you change your mind right?

How would you know anyway because you are not doing your job to get informed.

In-cre-di-ble!

Cheers,
Bernard

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... for Trump just because he is Republican...

Neither he, nor I, are Republicans.

[Alan Klein]

You have an answer for everything.

I see in the other post that you managed to blame Obama for the previously unimportant FAKE Russian meddling.

What's your point about my point?  So Lindsay Graham said nice things about a former fellow senator Joe Biden.  What's that got to do with the Senate investigating the Bidens for corruption to prove Trump was right in calling for an investigation in Ukraine?

Regarding blaming Obama,  the Russians meddled in our 2016 presidential election that you said Trump colluded with them which was proven false by Mueller.  However, it still is true that Obama was president while the Russians meddled and did nothing to stop it.  He apparently was too busy tapping Trump's telephone. 

[Alan Klein]

More trouble for Biden although I don't think too much.


Bloomberg makes ‘massive’ ad buy
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[Alan Klein]

The fantasy world in which you appear to be living is drifting away from reality at an increasingly high speed Alan.

Cheers,
Bernard

Sure the Democrats have been scratching to impeach.  They've had that itch for three years.  But I like thinking out of the box.  I'd take 5 to 1 odds that Pelosi will pull the plug on the impeachment to help Biden.  It's in his interest to get this behind him.  Meanwhile, Bloomberg is getting into his "moderate" lane to peel of more votes from Biden as my last post shows. 

[Rob C]

Neither he, nor I, are Republicans.

That's an interesting perspective that needs some filling out.

Or is it a fake news test?

;-)

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

What's your point about my point?  So Lindsay Graham said nice things about a former fellow senator Joe Biden.  What's that got to do with the Senate investigating the Bidens for corruption to prove Trump was right in calling for an investigation in Ukraine?

Simple, there is no corruption. There is only disproven Russian propaganda that Trump clings to. What is it, with Russia and Trump?

He apparently was too busy tapping Trump's telephone.

Wasn't this also already debunked loooong ago? It was not Trump's phone that was tapped but someone else's who called Trump, or something to that effect.

[LesPalenik]

Simple, there is no corruption. There is only disproven Russian propaganda that Trump clings to. What is it, with Russia and Trump?

Sadly, corruption is widespread both in Ukraine and in Russia, on all levels in the society and business.

[Robert Roaldi]

What's your point about my point?  So Lindsay Graham said nice things about a former fellow senator Joe Biden.  What's that got to do with the Senate investigating the Bidens for corruption to prove Trump was right in calling for an investigation in Ukraine?

Regarding blaming Obama,  the Russians meddled in our 2016 presidential election that you said Trump colluded with them which was proven false by Mueller.  However, it still is true that Obama was president while the Russians meddled and did nothing to stop it.  He apparently was too busy tapping Trump's telephone.

I don't remember ever saying Trump colluded. He may have benefited from it, but you can't hold that against him. The most I would say is that making wisecracks about getting the Russians to hack into stuff on his behalf is stupid, but that's par for the course, the guy's a rube. But hey, he's your rube.

Your persistence in placing blame for the Russian interference is beside the point. Social media networks have weaknesses and people exploit them. That problem will solve itself in the long run, no one will pay attention to it if it's toxic, just takes a while for everyone to catch on. To my mind, social media is already a lot like those tabloids in supermarkets. Signs are emerging that Twitter is becoming a place where sex workers hang out, now that "back page" is gone. In time, people will realize how foolish it is to be conducting public policy discussions on social media. The rise of long-form documentary podcasts seems to be a rebellion against it. Trying to fix complex problems requires time and work and exchange of ideas, not something for which Twitter/Facebook/etc. are well-suited.

As for Trump and the impeachment, the denials and excuses I keep reading all sound a little lame to me. My guess is that people instinctively know this. True leaders don't behave the way he does. He has surrounded himself with incompetent yes men and has had a lot of trouble hanging on to even them, and I doubt anyone competent wants to work for him. That's not good for your country. Luckily, the day to day lives of most people are not directly tied to what the President says on Twitter. Decisions at that level are more strategic in nature, so their effects will be felt later.

[Alan Klein]

Simple, there is no corruption. There is only disproven Russian propaganda that Trump clings to. What is it, with Russia and Trump?

Wasn't this also already debunked loooong ago? It was not Trump's phone that was tapped but someone else's who called Trump, or something to that effect.

Obama, long before Trump became president, demanded that Ukraine clean up their corruption, same as Trump did in the now famous call to the Ukraine president. Wasn't VP Biden who worked for Obama as concerned when he had Ukraine's investigator fired?  Of course, that investigator also happened to be investigating  the corrupt firm Burisma, the company Biden's son was working a no-show job for earning $50,000 a month.   But, hey.  That's just a minor detail. 

Regarding tapping Trump's phone, you;re still repeating the media's knowing refusal to admit that Trump was using slang for saying that he and/or his people and campaign were being surveilled by secret forces (FBI, CIA) of the US government under the Obama administration.  OF course, we learned about the FISA warrant, the perjured evidence provided to the FISA court just yesterday by an Obama FBI agent who was biased against TRump, and all the other surveillance stuff later.  That Trump was right.  Of course the damage to Trump had already been done.  Even you still believe it.  The same lies and bias have been applied to him for three years already and continue to this day. 

[Rob C]

Sadly, corruption is widespread both in Ukraine and in Russia, on all levels in the society and business.

Name one country where it is not.

If there's a difference, it's the point at which we start killing people.

:-(