How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science

[Bart_van_der_Wolf]

Climate control politics is local.

That's only partially the case. Market dynamics, which can be quite global, may be stronger than local politics. Case in point, the USA.

Despite the urge to push/subsidize coal, this happens:
Wind power prices now lower than the cost of natural gas
In the US, it's cheaper to build and operate wind farms than buy fossil fuels.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/08/wind-power-prices-now-lower-than-the-cost-of-natural-gas/

Those cheap Chinese PV panels do come in handy, don't they? Especially after being forced to devaluate the Chinese currency ...

But all that is a bit off topic, since this thread is intended to be about media presence and the opinion bias it causes.

Cheers,
Bart

[Peter McLennan]

Jeremy:  That was a joke.

You should think a little about how and why that "joke" was taken literally by most of us.

[Alan Klein]

That's only partially the case. Market dynamics, which can be quite global, may be stronger than local politics. Case in point, the USA.

Despite the urge to push/subsidize coal, this happens:
Wind power prices now lower than the cost of natural gas
In the US, it's cheaper to build and operate wind farms than buy fossil fuels.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2019/08/wind-power-prices-now-lower-than-the-cost-of-natural-gas/

Those cheap Chinese PV panels do come in handy, don't they? Especially after being forced to devaluate the Chinese currency ...

But all that is a bit off topic, since this thread is intended to be about media presence and the opinion bias it causes.

Cheers,
Bart

It's not off topic.  Media and government bias presents it as cheaper.  But they don't include the costs for fossil-fueled backup plants that are still required or government subsidies for solar and wind.  Also, "free" wind and solar costs are often added in raised prices for grid customers using fossil  fueled plants. 

[Alan Klein]

You should think a little about how and why that "joke" was taken literally by most of us.

Because you have no sense of humor?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

You should think a little about how and why that "joke" was taken literally by most of us.

Taking things literally and the lack of sense of humor are sure signs of lower IQ.

[Peter McLennan]

My sense of humour is intact, thank you very much.  As is my IQ. 

This is exactly the same tactic used repeatedly by Trump.  Make a preposterous statement and then have your staff attempt to deflect by walking it back as a "joke".

You guys need to get better writers.

[faberryman]

The 1977 Time cover you posted is a fake. It's real title is "The Global Warming Survival Guide". I'll assume you were just duped. But this just shows the lengths the climate change deniers will go to advocate their position. It is kind of pathetic to think that this sort of nonsense is all they have left.

[Peter McLennan]

I suggest that you more thoroughly research your Fake News posts.

https://time.com/4778937/fake-time-cover-ice-age/

Just sayin’   

[Alan Klein]

An interesting article about the coming ice age written in Harper's Magazine in 1958 by of all people Betty Friedan about two local scientists, an  astrophysicist and geologist-meteorologist. 
https://harpers.org/archive/1958/09/the-coming-ice-age/

Living in Queens on Long Island, I have had the edge of the last Ice Age just about a mile from my home.  The are the pond pockets, well, not sure of the exact name.  There are also what's called erratics, large rocks moved by the edge of the glacier.  Here's one I shot a little further north in think in Westchester County, just north of NYC.  To think that this whole area was cover in two mile thick ice all not caused by man is pretty interesting.  Who melted it?
Autumn Rock by Alan Klein, on Flickr

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

The 1977 Time cover you posted is a fake. It's real title is "The Global Warming Survival Guide". I'll assume you were just duped...

My apologies. Post deleted.

P.S. Thanks to Peter also

[Peter McLennan]

My apologies. Post deleted.

[RSL]

But a decade or so before that the "scientific consensus" agreed that we were on the verge of an ice age. So it's not as fake as Fab makes it sound.

[faberryman]

But a decade or so before that the "scientific consensus" agreed that we were on the verge of an ice age. So it's not as fake as Fab makes it sound.

The Time cover was a fake.

[BernardLanguillier]

Taking things literally and the lack of sense of humor are sure signs of lower IQ.

I thought we were laughable?

Cheers,
Bernard

[RSL]

The Time cover was a fake.

Yes it was, but the "scientific consensus" wasn't.

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

I thought we were laughable?

You are... as opposed to laugh-able

[Robert Roaldi]

Yes it was, but the "scientific consensus" wasn't.

You've referred to that early work before. Why do you believe that if someone was wrong about something 50 years ago that someone else would be wrong now?

[Slobodan Blagojevic]

... Why do you believe that if someone was wrong about something 50 years ago that someone else would be wrong now?

Errare humanum est.

[faberryman]

Yes it was, but the "scientific consensus" wasn't.

Your memory is impaired. There was no scientific consensus of a coming ice age in the decade before the 1977 Time magazine cover.

Global Cooling

[RSL]

You've referred to that early work before. Why do you believe that if someone was wrong about something 50 years ago that someone else would be wrong now?

It's a ridiculous question, Robert, but to answer: it's always wrong. The climate is changing. The climate is always changing. Get over it. Fifty years from now we'll probably be on the verge of a new ice age again.