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Re: How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science
« Reply #260 on: August 17, 2019, 11:18:44 am »

Russ, you are mistaken. The atmospheric warming due to CO2 is not a correlation, it is the result of a physical property of CO2!

Denying that is like denying gravity. You can deny it all you want, it will still happen. It's physics.

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Bart

Ah yes. The church of atmospheric warming.
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« Reply #261 on: August 17, 2019, 11:26:01 am »

Again, a simpletonistic linking of a single cause and and single effect, denying the extreme complexity of climate change.

Climate Change is a complex process, atmospheric warming is a very well understood result of a combination of factors.

The main driver/accelerator of atmospheric warming is CO2 (and Methane is playing a smaller role but it's weight as a contributor is increasing, due to Global warming).

Watervapor is another gas that contributes to a warming atmosphere, but its volume is limited to what the atmosphere can hold before it rains out again. However, since CO2 traps the heat, the atmosphere warms and expands, and the atmosphere can hold more water-vapor before it rains out. So, CO2 also causes additional indirect warming due to allowing more water-vapor to build up.

All this can be found in the scientific literature, and more (like reflectance of sunlight by clouds and snow/ice surfaces, and absorption by ice-free ocean surfaces and landmass).

So we're back to square one, one needs to read information coming from reliable sources (peer-reviewed scientific literature), and not rely on the blogosphere.

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Bart

P.S. Here's a magazine article (not a scientific peer-reviewed report) that pretty much explains in simpleton words what science tells us:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/if-carbon-dioxide-makes-u/
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Re: How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science
« Reply #262 on: August 17, 2019, 11:29:46 am »

Ah yes. The church of atmospheric warming.

No, science!
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« Reply #263 on: August 17, 2019, 11:43:47 am »


So we're back to square one, one needs to read information coming from reliable sources (peer-reviewed scientific literature), and not rely on the blogosphere.

Cheers,
Bart

This is a fairly accessible beginning:
https://www.ucsusa.org/global-warming/science-and-impacts/science/human-contribution-to-gw-faq.html
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Re: How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science
« Reply #265 on: August 17, 2019, 12:05:25 pm »

It is about what the alarmists are asking the whole humanity to do: stop immediately, i.e., within 12 years, as per Karla Marx, flying, driving gas cars, eating meat, and switch to solar and wind, slaughter 1 billion cows, and, ultimately, commit a collective suicide by not having children.

This is an unfair and extreme argument. Nobody is suggesting we prohibit air travel, commit suicide as a species, nor slaughter all the cows.  The suggestion is that we be aware of the apparent effects of our behaviours on the planet and adjust our behaviours accordingly.
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« Reply #266 on: August 17, 2019, 12:09:22 pm »

Except CO2 isn’t pollution.

One biggest dangers to the survival of the Apollo 13 astronauts was CO2 poisoning. They went to heroic efforts to prevent it.
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Re: How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science
« Reply #267 on: August 17, 2019, 12:29:13 pm »

This is an unfair and extreme argument. Nobody is suggesting we prohibit air travel, commit suicide as a species, nor slaughter all the cows.  The suggestion is that we be aware of the apparent effects of our behaviours on the planet and adjust our behaviours accordingly.
Maybe you should read AOC's Green New Deal; it's all in there.
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Re: How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science
« Reply #268 on: August 17, 2019, 12:34:10 pm »

This is an unfair and extreme argument. Nobody is suggesting we prohibit air travel, commit suicide as a species, nor slaughter all the cows.  The suggestion is that we be aware of the apparent effects of our behaviours on the planet and adjust our behaviours accordingly.

Well, there is a Congressional document by Karla Marx that calls for exactly that. Now, the repeated question to you et al is: "what do you mean by "adjust"? I have offered my (and Karla Marx') version of the "adjustment"... what is yours?

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« Reply #269 on: August 17, 2019, 12:35:11 pm »

One biggest dangers to the survival of the Apollo 13 astronauts was CO2 poisoning. They went to heroic efforts to prevent it.

By that logic, humanity would be extinct long time ago.

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« Reply #270 on: August 17, 2019, 12:44:31 pm »

One biggest dangers to the survival of the Apollo 13 astronauts was CO2 poisoning. They went to heroic efforts to prevent it.

By that logic, humanity would be extinct long time ago.

What do those dummies at NASA know? And yet they put a man on the Moon!! Just imagine if they'd had smart guys like Slobo!! They'd have paved Mars by now!!
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Re: How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science
« Reply #271 on: August 17, 2019, 12:47:51 pm »

What do those dummies at NASA know? And yet they put a man on the Moon!! Just imagine if they'd had smart guys like Slobo!! They'd have paved Mars by now!!

Strawman again? You'll catch a hay fever, bro! ;)

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Re: How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science
« Reply #273 on: August 17, 2019, 12:51:46 pm »

Where?...

The version on their website, pulled down after being ridiculed (damn interns!).

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« Reply #274 on: August 17, 2019, 12:52:16 pm »

Strawman again? You'll catch a hay fever, bro! ;)

Hay fever doesn't exist. It's a plot by lefties/Communists/environmentalists/Muslims/AOC/persons of colour/women/scientists/etc etc etc(*).

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« Reply #275 on: August 17, 2019, 12:54:44 pm »

The version on their website, pulled down after being ridiculed (damn interns!).

So when you said "Well, there is a Congressional document by Karla Marx that calls for exactly that." you were actually referring to a completely different document? How confusing!
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Re: How media over-represents 15 times climatosceptiks fake science
« Reply #276 on: August 17, 2019, 12:56:01 pm »

July 2019 was the hottest July on record, edging out July 2016. Fact courtesy of NOAA (government scientists).
How far back the records go? 100 years? 200 years? Versus 5 billion years of the planet's existence? A grain of sand in the ocean of time.
The existence of humans on earth has also just been a grain of sand in the ocean of time.
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« Reply #277 on: August 17, 2019, 12:58:14 pm »

... a completely different document?...

Not that completely different. Slightly redacted, to remove the ROTFL ideas.

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« Reply #278 on: August 17, 2019, 01:00:01 pm »

The existence of humans on earth has also just been a grain of sand in the ocean of time.

Exactly. And the earth froze and melted, cooled and warmed, all without us. Three million years ago, the CO2 content was the same as today, yet ocean levels were 10m higher. Go figure.

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« Reply #279 on: August 17, 2019, 01:01:23 pm »

Not that completely different. Slightly redacted, to remove the ROTFL ideas.

Different enough to render your post entirely inaccurate, apparently. Surprise surprise!
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