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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1160 on: December 15, 2019, 04:41:27 pm »

... the increased immigration from Long Island which faces higher water levels than the NJ coastline.

Nope, not for that reason. People are fleeing LI after Karla Marx killed Amazon arrival there 😉

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« Reply #1161 on: December 16, 2019, 07:56:11 am »

Nope, not for that reason. People are fleeing LI after Karla Marx killed Amazon arrival there 😉

I'm not really familiar with this particular incident, but if what the politician did is insist that tax incentives NOT be given to one of the largest corporations on earth, one that doesn't pay much tax itself, well she would fall more into the Adam Smith camp.

This infantile left vs right nonsense is close to 100 years past its best before date.

Just think about it for a second. Governments give tax money to rich private corporations so that those corporations can "create" jobs. What's that, Feudalism 2.0?
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1162 on: December 16, 2019, 08:42:56 am »

Robert, since I didn’t take $100 from you, consider that as given to you. I expect a prompt return of the said $100, within 15 days.

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« Reply #1163 on: December 16, 2019, 10:55:32 am »

Robert, since I didn’t take $100 from you, consider that as given to you. I expect a prompt return of the said $100, within 15 days.
They won't get ir.

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1164 on: December 16, 2019, 11:02:18 am »

In any case it wasn't a tax incentive rather waiving taxes.   So now that Amazon isn't moving there,  NYC doesn't get the taxes in the first place to give back.   So all that's happened is thousands of jobs will go elsewhere and all the associated wealth created by those jobs will be lost by NYC.     

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« Reply #1165 on: December 16, 2019, 11:21:28 am »

In any case it wasn't a tax incentive rather waiving taxes.   So now that Amazon isn't moving there,  NYC doesn't get the taxes in the first place to give back.   So all that's happened is thousands of jobs will go elsewhere and all the associated wealth created by those jobs will be lost by NYC.   

What convoluted horse manure.

If a company can't finance its own expansion, maybe it deserves to go belly-up to make room for one that can. Is that too free a market for you?
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1166 on: December 16, 2019, 11:49:54 am »

Apparently, lefties never had a problem with tax incentives for their virtue signaling: “green” cars, solar panels, etc. But God forbid a company that would bring 25,000 jobs and pay enormous taxes along the way get some tax incentives as well.

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« Reply #1167 on: December 16, 2019, 12:51:48 pm »

What convoluted horse manure.

If a company can't finance its own expansion, maybe it deserves to go belly-up to make room for one that can. Is that too free a market for you?

Amazon is doing just fine and has no problem financing it's own expansion. They didn't like the business-adverse attitude and went elsewhere.
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« Reply #1168 on: December 16, 2019, 12:56:54 pm »

Apparently, lefties never had a problem with tax incentives for their virtue signaling: “green” cars, solar panels, etc. But God forbid a company that would bring 25,000 jobs and pay enormous taxes along the way get some tax incentives as well.

Oh please, this childish crap is beneath you. There are some proper uses for public funds and there are some that aren't. I have no idea if "green" $100,000+ Teslas fall into the former category (I doubt it), but subsidizing Amazon is self-evidently in the latter category.

If government has to finance the "creation" of jobs, then they're decidely not "created", they're subsidized. Milton Friedman must be turning over in his grave. Again.

Using tax money to subsidize Amazon? Please, do you not realize how silly this sounds.

I thought you were a free marketeer. Or is it just that when government hands out money to you or your friends, then it's ok. Funny how "liberal" deficits are bad but "conservative" ones are good.

Is this what the culture war descends into, belief in flat earth?
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1169 on: December 16, 2019, 12:58:59 pm »

Amazon is doing just fine and has no problem financing it's own expansion. They didn't like the business-adverse attitude and went elsewhere.

So now if a jurisdiction doesn't want to hand over taxpayer money to a corporation, they are business-adverse? Is this the new "free market"?
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1170 on: December 16, 2019, 02:58:10 pm »

Nobody less than liberal Democrats the Mayor and Governor of New York made the deal and urged Amazon to change their mind and go through with the deal.   They understood the importance of additional jobs and wealth to NY and New Yorkers all at little cost to NY but with huge positive wealth to the state.   But of course foreigners here know better about America and NYC.   So thousands of poor blacks who lived nearby where Amazon was to move (I worked there for 40 years), have lost an opportunity for good paying jobs.  So Amazon moved the headquarters to a different state and the poor blacks will just have to stay poor.  I'm sure they're thankful for saving them from something terrible.

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« Reply #1171 on: December 16, 2019, 04:10:30 pm »

Nobody less than liberal Democrats the Mayor and Governor of New York made the deal and urged Amazon to change their mind and go through with the deal.   They understood the importance of additional jobs and wealth to NY and New Yorkers all at little cost to NY but with huge positive wealth to the state.   But of course foreigners here know better about America and NYC.   So thousands of poor blacks who lived nearby where Amazon was to move (I worked there for 40 years), have lost an opportunity for good paying jobs.  So Amazon moved the headquarters to a different state and the poor blacks will just have to stay poor.  I'm sure they're thankful for saving them from something terrible.

I'm getting a little sick and tired of being called an interfering foreigner for voicing my opinion that's different from yours,

But the main point is that you have again completely missed the point of the discussion. You complain of left-wing policies and government interference yet you're in favour of handing over taxpayer money to corporations.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1172 on: December 16, 2019, 04:29:08 pm »

...handing over taxpayer money to corporations.

Do you really not understand how these things work, or just pretend? I am genuinely puzzled.

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« Reply #1173 on: December 16, 2019, 05:27:02 pm »

Do you really not understand how these things work, or just pretend? I am genuinely puzzled.

Cute, but I know you know what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #1174 on: December 16, 2019, 05:57:55 pm »

Nobody less than liberal Democrats the Mayor and Governor of New York made the deal and urged Amazon to change their mind and go through with the deal.   They understood the importance of additional jobs and wealth to NY and New Yorkers all at little cost to NY but with huge positive wealth to the state.   But of course foreigners here know better about America and NYC.   So thousands of poor blacks who lived nearby where Amazon was to move (I worked there for 40 years), have lost an opportunity for good paying jobs.  So Amazon moved the headquarters to a different state and the poor blacks will just have to stay poor.  I'm sure they're thankful for saving them from something terrible.

As a foreigner, I understand that Amazon's move to Virginia will be of great benefit to the state of Virginia. That seems like a good thing.
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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1175 on: December 16, 2019, 06:24:24 pm »

I'm getting a little sick and tired of being called an interfering foreigner for voicing my opinion that's different from yours,

But the main point is that you have again completely missed the point of the discussion. You complain of left-wing policies and government interference yet you're in favour of handing over taxpayer money to corporations.
Since you don't pay NYC or NY State taxes,  it's a little presuprious to tell New Yorkers how they should handle taxes that they do pay.   It would be like me telling you how many times a week you should feed steak to your family. It's none of my business.   That's The problem with leftists and socialists  They"re always ready to spend someone else's money or tell them how to do it. .

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« Reply #1176 on: December 16, 2019, 06:39:14 pm »

As a foreigner, I understand that Amazon's move to Virginia will be of great benefit to the state of Virginia. That seems like a good thing.
New York's loss is Virginia's gain.   Lower taxes in Texas and Florida draws businesses from Higher taxed states like California New York and new Jersey.   What Robert doesn't get that Slobo tried to explain to him is that reducing taxes is not a subsidy.   It's letting people and companies keep more of the money they earned.   Money that the government never earned or had an intrinsic ownership of.

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« Reply #1177 on: December 16, 2019, 10:34:37 pm »

Since you don't pay NYC or NY State taxes,  it's a little presuprious to tell New Yorkers how they should handle taxes that they do pay.   It would be like me telling you how many times a week you should feed steak to your family. It's none of my business.   That's The problem with leftists and socialists  They"re always ready to spend someone else's money or tell them how to do it. .

What? None of that made any sense nor did it follow from the discussion. I presume that you're not serious then.

But I did get a good belly laugh from your earlier remark that suggested that the reason New York wanted to give tax subsidies/concessions/whatever to Amazon was to help disadvantaged African Americans, and that somehow I was against this.

So when did you stop beating your wife?  :)

Don't stay up too late.


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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1178 on: December 16, 2019, 11:06:00 pm »

I didn't know you beat your wife. 😏

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Re: Extreme weather
« Reply #1179 on: December 17, 2019, 04:23:06 am »

Robert, you occasionally make sensible comments that even I can agree with. But here, you just got off the deep end.
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