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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1380 on: August 01, 2019, 03:35:50 pm »

You could do with a king; so far you've got a court jester, but keep working on it, the signs are promising.

We've got a queen, but we might as well not: she couldn't influence Brexit one way or the other. It's a British thing: have a great gun but don't buy ammunition; not even blanks.

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If you're going to use ad hominem attacks, you're going to be the one getting threads shut down by encouraging others to respond in kind. 

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1381 on: August 02, 2019, 09:42:11 am »

The new imposed tariffs on China are causing a lot of concern there and here and elsewhere. We might see more Made in Vietnam...Taiwan...South Korea...Philippines...India....Indonesia....etc. stuff over here in America pretty soon.   China's also about to have a fit.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/02/business/china-trump-trade-retaliation.html?action=click&module=RelatedCoverage&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1382 on: August 02, 2019, 09:52:56 am »

If you're going to use ad hominem attacks, you're going to be the one getting threads shut down by encouraging others to respond in kind.


I have not attacked a poster here. Ergo, no ad homs.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1383 on: August 02, 2019, 10:27:22 am »


I have not attacked a poster here. Ergo, no ad homs.

Rob

You took the words right out of my mouth. Re-reading, I think he was referring to the attacks on Trump, but maybe Alan will explain what he meant because I too was puzzled.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1384 on: August 02, 2019, 11:07:50 am »

You took the words right out of my mouth. Re-reading, I think he was referring to the attacks on Trump, but maybe Alan will explain what he meant because I too was puzzled.
Insulting people I voted for with vile and bile is demeaning to me.  Maybe I'm too sensitive.  But, if I called the people you voted for "orange headed Hitlers and tyrants, etc., you might take that personally as well.  I think sticking to issues you disagree with and why rather than ad hominem attacks is more enlightening and less personal to supporters.   It might prevent comebacks that just get threads closed.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1385 on: August 02, 2019, 11:25:35 am »

Insulting people I voted for with vile and bile is demeaning to me.  Maybe I'm too sensitive.  But, if I called the people you voted for "orange headed Hitlers and tyrants, etc., you might take that personally as well.  I think sticking to issues you disagree with and why rather than ad hominem attacks is more enlightening and less personal to supporters.   It might prevent comebacks that just get threads closed.

My understanding is that an ad hominem attack consists of personally insulting your debate/discussion opponent instead of addressing the issues under discussion. This is not the same thing as insulting political leaders that are being discussed.

Speaking only for myself, you can insult any politician you like, including any I might support, it won't bother me. But more generally, when a public figure says derisory things, they're going to be ridiculed mercilessly , that's just the way things are. Been going on forever. Pick up an early issue of Punch for examples. If what you're really complaining about is the often uncivil comments about your current President, I guess I can understand your displeasure, I also deplore the current state of public discourse, but unfortunately that ship sailed a long time ago. And it is your President himself who is the most guilty in this regard. I think of the paper towel tossing incident, for instance, but that's just one example. The occasions are too numerous to list. On occasion, you have personally dismissed this behaviour as Trump just being Trump, i.e., outrageous. Well ok, I guess, but that kind of behaviour is going to be met in kind and no one is going to apologize, you had better get used to it. Besides, it's pretty late in the day to worry about it now.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1386 on: August 02, 2019, 11:48:14 am »

My understanding is that an ad hominem attack consists of personally insulting your debate/discussion opponent instead of addressing the issues under discussion. This is not the same thing as insulting political leaders that are being discussed.

Speaking only for myself, you can insult any politician you like, including any I might support, it won't bother me. But more generally, when a public figure says derisory things, they're going to be ridiculed mercilessly , that's just the way things are. Been going on forever. Pick up an early issue of Punch for examples. If what you're really complaining about is the often uncivil comments about your current President, I guess I can understand your displeasure, I also deplore the current state of public discourse, but unfortunately that ship sailed a long time ago. And it is your President himself who is the most guilty in this regard. I think of the paper towel tossing incident, for instance, but that's just one example. The occasions are too numerous to list. On occasion, you have personally dismissed this behaviour as Trump just being Trump, i.e., outrageous. Well ok, I guess, but that kind of behaviour is going to be met in kind and no one is going to apologize, you had better get used to it. Besides, it's pretty late in the day to worry about it now.
So you're lowering yourself to Trump's level? OK.  Now I know where you stand.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1387 on: August 02, 2019, 12:17:36 pm »

... I think of the paper towel tossing incident...

Incident!? Which part of it was "incident"? He walked into a room full of supplies, paper towels among them, and decided to help distribute it. There were probably gallon-sized water bottles there too, would it be better if he was tossing it instead? Hitting, say, a child in the head and killing him? Now, that would be an incident. Thank God it was paper towels.

Besides, those were, I am sure, 3-play towels, very absorbent, quite handy for flooding.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1388 on: August 02, 2019, 12:26:25 pm »

Hand in hand.

The Democratic party's surrender to the Jihad Squad (a.k.a. "the future of the Party") is finalized:

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1389 on: August 02, 2019, 12:29:18 pm »

Hand in hand.

The Democratic party's surrender to the Jihad Squad (a.k.a. "the future of the Party") is finalized:

Jihad Squad?  ==  Fake news!
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1390 on: August 02, 2019, 01:25:04 pm »

So you're lowering yourself to Trump's level? OK.  Now I know where you stand.

Thanks for the laugh.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1391 on: August 02, 2019, 01:25:36 pm »

Incident!? Which part of it was "incident"? He walked into a room full of supplies, paper towels among them, and decided to help distribute it. There were probably gallon-sized water bottles there too, would it be better if he was tossing it instead? Hitting, say, a child in the head and killing him? Now, that would be an incident. Thank God it was paper towels.

Besides, those were, I am sure, 3-play towels, very absorbent, quite handy for flooding.

You're right, I got it wrong.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1392 on: August 02, 2019, 01:27:37 pm »

So you're lowering yourself to Trump's level? OK.
Was that an ad hominen attack against Trump. I'm confused.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1393 on: August 02, 2019, 01:28:30 pm »

Insulting people I voted for with vile and bile is demeaning to me.

Writes the man who wrote that Elizabeth Warren "walks like a duck".

Jeremy
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1394 on: August 02, 2019, 01:49:06 pm »

Was that an ad hominen attack against Trump. I'm confused.

+1 ;)
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1395 on: August 02, 2019, 02:09:52 pm »

Writes the man who wrote that Elizabeth Warren "walks like a duck".

Jeremy
You're right of course.   
If there's anyone here who would vote for Elizabeth Warren, I apologize.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1396 on: August 02, 2019, 02:21:32 pm »

Was that an ad hominen attack against Trump. I'm confused.
Was that an ad hominen attack against Trump. I'm confused.
Well Robert is better than Trump when it comes to that. That was my point.  Maybe it didn't come out that way.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1397 on: August 02, 2019, 02:29:04 pm »

Well Robert is better than Trump when it comes to that. That was my point.  Maybe it didn't come out that way.
Sounded to me as if you were saying he was lowering himself to Trump's level. Not exactly an endorsement of Trump's behavior.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1398 on: August 02, 2019, 03:03:23 pm »

Sounded to me as if you were saying he was lowering himself to Trump's level to me. Not exactly an endorsement of Trump's behavior.
Well, I get squirrely when Trump goes off on one of his insults.  I have to ignore it.  I think Robert is better than that which is a complement.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #1399 on: August 02, 2019, 03:27:19 pm »

Well, I get squirrely when Trump goes off on one of his insults.  I have to ignore it.  I think Robert is better than that which is a complement.
So when someone insults Trump, you feel personally demeaned, but when Trump insults someone, you ignore it.
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