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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #440 on: June 13, 2019, 07:53:44 pm »

Seriously? When was Europe threatened by Russia? In both WW wars they tried to abstain, seeing it mostly as a fight between capitalists. If anything, it was Europe invading Russia, by Napoleon and Hitler, not the other way around. Russia already has the largest territory on Earth, why would they need more?
As a buffer between them and the evil empire that wanted to over run them.
Stalin would have grabbed all of Germany and more if we were not already there at the end.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #441 on: June 13, 2019, 09:08:07 pm »

As a buffer between them and the evil empire that wanted to over run them.
Stalin would have grabbed all of Germany and more if we were not already there at the end.

Well of course; they believed in spoils of war whereas we sought a reconstruction plan.  I cant blame them for this since up until to WW2, spoils of war was the most common thing to do if you won a war.  And this was one reason (note not the only reason, nor the biggest reason, and if you want I can also show historical documentation on this as well) we dropped the bomb on Japan, to keep the Soviets from getting a footprint in the pacific. 

However this does not take away from Slobo's remark.  It was Germany who attacked Russia first and they are only guilty of defending themselves.  With that said, although I am not terribly annoyed by this but certainly feel the Soviets should have given Poland their freedom back. 

Also, although I cant fault them for taking over west Germany, I vehemently despise the Soviets for imposing communism and socialism on the west. 
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #442 on: June 13, 2019, 09:34:30 pm »

It's my practice not to read certain participant's posts so I usually see things when someone else quotes them.  There is a major error in the comment about Russia's role in the first World War.  In the lead up to the war, Russia was allied with France and Great Britain and certainly did not see the impending war as one between capitalists.  Russia had the largest standing army of any European country and began mobilization before any other country as they were concerned about Austria invading Serbia.  This event triggered a mobilization by Germany and it was in fact Russia who initiated hostilities with both Germany and Austria.  Prior to the outbreak in hostilities Germany gave Russia the opportunity to stand down which was refused.  It was in late August of 1914 that the Germans delivered a crushing defeat in the Battle of Tannenburg under the direction of Field Marshall von Hindenburg and General Ludendorff.  After this battle Russia was not a major military factor in the war.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #443 on: June 13, 2019, 10:11:33 pm »

Our resident expert on everything, from pharmaceuticals to the Constitution, has now expertly concluded that the WWI was actually caused by Russia.
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« Reply #444 on: June 14, 2019, 02:39:32 am »

... Prior to the outbreak in hostilities Germany gave Russia the opportunity to stand down which was refused...
... After this battle Russia was not a major military factor in the war.
This is more or less what I've read in my history books
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« Reply #445 on: June 14, 2019, 03:46:16 am »

The history books published and distributed behind the Iron curtain explained it quite differently. Even more when it came to WWII.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #446 on: June 14, 2019, 04:09:48 am »

1. Seriously? When was Europe threatened by Russia? In both WW wars they tried to abstain, seeing it mostly as a fight between capitalists. If anything, it was Europe invading Russia, by Napoleon and Hitler, not the other way around. 2. Russia already has the largest territory on Earth, why would they need more?

1. That was then and this is now. To make matters worse, the West insists in making it feel more foe than the other way around. The silly slight of not inviting it to the recent gathering of heads of state attending the events in France regarding WW2 could have been avoided; yes, it wasn't on the "beaches" but neither was France, other than geographically. It, the brave populace - apart from the Resistance - was more interested in drawing up little lists of women whose heads they could shave when it was safe. Meanwhile, Russia lost millions of people. We talk about The Holocaust Six Million endlessly, but seldom give a shit about those many, many more millions who died in Russia at the same hands.

2. Because most of it is empty tundra. Europe is a ready-made industrialised and productive continent - a prize. And think of all those villas in Marbella and Portofino, Capri and the Côte d'Azur! Wanna dacha in a frozen forest instead?

For the Ruskies, the southern shores of France were already prized possessions of the nobility; they made the place, along with some English and a few lost Americans who slipped in from Paris when not writing the next biggest novel.

Rob
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #447 on: June 14, 2019, 11:38:26 am »

Getting back on topic, will President Trump ask Congress for a declaration of war against Iran?  This is how it is supposed to be done but of course is seldom used in recent history.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #448 on: June 14, 2019, 11:39:30 am »

Our resident expert on everything, from pharmaceuticals to the Constitution, has now expertly concluded that the WWI was actually caused by Russia.

Does this kind of message serve any purpose? First, he did NOT say what you accuse him of saying, you are deliberately misinterpreting/exaggerating his remarks. Second, if you disagree with his statements, then simply do that. That would add value.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #449 on: June 14, 2019, 01:15:42 pm »

Getting back on topic, will President Trump ask Congress for a declaration of war against Iran?  This is how it is supposed to be done but of course is seldom used in recent history.

Lord, I hope not.  The runup to presumed war against Iran is about as blatant as anything I can remember since Iraq.  Hopefully we learned something from that debacle.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #450 on: June 14, 2019, 01:48:27 pm »

There is a pattern: demonazing > sanctions > war. Serbia, Iraq...

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #451 on: June 14, 2019, 02:41:33 pm »

Didn't Stalin and Ribbentrop (of Germany) try to split up Poland before WWII? 

On the other hand, if Germany and other European countries really believed Russia would attack western Europe, they'd be paying more for their defense and not relying on America so much.  Interesting, what I predicted a year or two ago is happening,  Trump is moving 1000 American troops out of Germany into Poland.  Maybe Germany will start paying more for their defense as they're suppose too. 

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #452 on: June 14, 2019, 02:46:16 pm »

There is a pattern: demonazing > sanctions > war. Serbia, Iraq...

Qatar, Iran ...

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #453 on: June 14, 2019, 02:50:09 pm »

Getting back on topic, will President Trump ask Congress for a declaration of war against Iran?  This is how it is supposed to be done but of course is seldom used in recent history.

I know you think Trump is evil. But he isn't going to war with Iran.  The most he might do is destroy a few docks and ships that may have attacked those oil tankers.  I don't believe, constitutionally, the President, as Commander-in-Chief needs, congressional approval to defend shipping interests and allies from military attacks, only if we go to all out war with a country.  As an aside, I wonder if the Saudis were the ones who attacked the tankers, not Iran, to get America involved against Iran, maybe the Israelis. 

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #454 on: June 14, 2019, 03:41:44 pm »

I know you think Trump is evil. But he isn't going to war with Iran.  The most he might do is destroy a few docks and ships that may have attacked those oil tankers.  I don't believe, constitutionally, the President, as Commander-in-Chief needs, congressional approval to defend shipping interests and allies from military attacks, only if we go to all out war with a country.  As an aside, I wonder if the Saudis were the ones who attacked the tankers, not Iran, to get America involved against Iran, maybe the Israelis.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #455 on: June 14, 2019, 06:27:43 pm »

Does this kind of message serve any purpose? First, he did NOT say what you accuse him of saying, you are deliberately misinterpreting/exaggerating his remarks. Second, if you disagree with his statements, then simply do that. That would add value.
He is just angry because I am ignoring all of his posts and only responding second hand.  He tries to be too cute by half.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #456 on: June 14, 2019, 06:31:08 pm »

I hope it is clear that the views espoused in this thread by some of the more outspoken participants don't represent the views of all Americans.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #457 on: June 14, 2019, 06:32:30 pm »

I know you think Trump is evil. But he isn't going to war with Iran.  The most he might do is destroy a few docks and ships that may have attacked those oil tankers.  I don't believe, constitutionally, the President, as Commander-in-Chief needs, congressional approval to defend shipping interests and allies from military attacks, only if we go to all out war with a country.  As an aside, I wonder if the Saudis were the ones who attacked the tankers, not Iran, to get America involved against Iran, maybe the Israelis.
I don't think he is evil, just very stupid and surrounds himself with people who will not challenge him.  All the good people have already left the administration.  The slippery slope of military intervention started only after WWII.  I'm fairly sure that a war declaration took place prior to that.  Of course the US has never been under formal attack aside from terrorist incidents.  We really don't know who attacked those ships and the film clip I saw was about as clear as the Zapruder film of the Kennedy shooting. 
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #458 on: June 14, 2019, 06:32:41 pm »

I hope it is clear that the views espoused in this thread by some of the more outspoken participants don't represent the views of all Americans.

Is there anything under the sun that can be said that represents the views of all Americans?

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #459 on: June 14, 2019, 06:35:42 pm »

He is just angry because I am ignoring all of his posts and only responding second hand.  He tries to be too cute by half.

At this point, I do not ignore anyone here, not even the pompous pricks, as it is too much fun to read their posts.
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