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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #360 on: June 10, 2019, 11:52:14 am »

didn't say that.
Love the cover though.
Just that a westerner has to be more conscious of the differences and not assume it is "just like here".
We all have our blind spots.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #361 on: June 10, 2019, 11:57:38 am »

Just because someone does something as their cultural custom, doesn;t mean you have to accept it.  IF they restrict it to their country, fine.  But they want to sell products here and do business with us.  We have to agree upon a set of standards or it won't work if there's not an equal and fair playing field. 

You can't play soccer if each side has different rules. 

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« Reply #362 on: June 10, 2019, 12:16:20 pm »

Just because someone does something as their cultural custom, doesn;t mean you have to accept it.  IF they restrict it to their country, fine.  But they want to sell products here and do business with us.  We have to agree upon a set of standards or it won't work if there's not an equal and fair playing field. 

You can't play soccer if each side has different rules. 

But Alan, who's going to do the arbitrage? If you presume democratic vote, you'll be outnumbered 2:1...
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« Reply #363 on: June 10, 2019, 12:30:24 pm »

Just because someone does something as their cultural custom, doesn;t mean you have to accept it.  IF they restrict it to their country, fine.  But they want to sell products here and do business with us.  We have to agree upon a set of standards or it won't work if there's not an equal and fair playing field.  You can't play soccer if each side has different rules.
There doesn't need to be an equal and fair playing field. If you want the product, buy it. If you don't want it, don't buy it. If you want to make a political statement, have at it. Live life according to your principles.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #364 on: June 10, 2019, 12:51:20 pm »

But Alan, who's going to do the arbitrage? If you presume democratic vote, you'll be outnumbered 2:1...

That's why we have a strong army ;)

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« Reply #365 on: June 10, 2019, 02:26:13 pm »

Haven;t people figured out that Trump is always negotiating?  He's always looking for an edge.  He always asks for more than he expects to get in the end.  The problem is Europeans aren't use to it.  Previous presidents rolled over and were weak, feckless. They gave away the store.     They're not use to a strong president.  Yes, even nasty at times. 

Look at the problems we have with China.  They're stealing us (and you) blind.  They follow no rules. 

Mexico is allowing illegals to pass through their country to invade our land.  They could stop that overnight as they do with illegals who want to stay in Mexico.  They put those people in their jails.  So Trump is squeezing them.  Rightfully so.  Don't European countries stop illegals?  International diplomacy is a two-way street. You can't expect America to play by rules that you don;t play by.   

I don't think you have a strong president. I think you have a maverick who confuses his own team. From the outside looking in, which we didn't have to do much of some years ago until Sky News brought US elections onto our screens with such saturation that one might have thought them our own, we were happy to let the US get on with its domestic travails in peace and relative privacy. That's now impossible for us to do, and consequently, we find ourselves wasting much time online debating things that some of us see as absurd, and over which we have no control, not that we should have, of course.

That exposure has made it as clear as a pikestaff that your system is even worse than our own which, until a few year ago, rumbled on quite well, if slowly. Now, it has followed your lead and turned into tv entertainment, but with real life consequences.

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« Reply #366 on: June 10, 2019, 03:22:05 pm »

I don't think you have a strong president. I think you have a maverick who confuses his own team. From the outside looking in, which we didn't have to do much of some years ago until Sky News brought US elections onto our screens with such saturation that one might have thought them our own, we were happy to let the US get on with its domestic travails in peace and relative privacy. That's now impossible for us to do, and consequently, we find ourselves wasting much time online debating things that some of us see as absurd, and over which we have no control, not that we should have, of course.

That exposure has made it as clear as a pikestaff that your system is even worse than our own which, until a few year ago, rumbled on quite well, if slowly. Now, it has followed your lead and turned into tv entertainment, but with real life consequences.

Rob

Brexit vote occurred 5 months before Trump was elected.  Why blame him for what's going on there? 

It is true that he ignores his staff and departments at times.  Previous presidents liked to use them so they can have some form of deniability if things go awry.  He's not like that.  He's a stand up guy who takes responsibility for his actions and administration.  He's willing to stick his neck out and make decisions, even unpopular ones.  He shakes things up - one of the reasons people voted for him.  He doesn;t go along to get along.  He presses for advantages - American advantages.  That's what an American president is suppose to do.  If your leaders did not protect the UK, I wouldn't have any respect for them.  I expect them to press for your advantages. Would you hire a lawyer who takes your adversary's position? 

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #367 on: June 10, 2019, 03:37:43 pm »

I agree, Alan. Trump isn’t somebody I’d like to know personally, and Rob’s right that he’s not a team player. But that’s exactly what we need at the moment. We’ve had team player after team player coming together to produce the “establishment.” The results of Trump’s refusal to be a team player are visible in the jump in the economy, reduction in unemployment, and raises in pay for workers at the bottom of the ladder. He’s receiving the results of those efforts in an ever rising expected vote percentage. Sensible Democrats (there may be some left) now realize they’re going to have a hell of a job trying to beat him. As long as AOC, Bernie, and the other dozens of Democrat candidates keep pumping out stupidities the situation’s going to get worse and worse for them. Things can change, but at the moment I’d bet the Republicans are going to reelect Trump, hang on to the Senate, and take back the House in 2020.
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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #368 on: June 10, 2019, 03:41:26 pm »

"California to be first state to provide healthcare to undocumented immigrants"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48585037

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To help pay for the plan, which is part of the latest state budget, lawmakers have proposed taxing people who do not have health insurance.

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Re: The American Constitution
« Reply #369 on: June 10, 2019, 03:47:24 pm »

"California to be first state to provide healthcare to undocumented immigrants"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48585037


Good.  All the illegals will move from my state of New Jersey to California and we'll save on costs to support our illegals. Thank you California. 

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« Reply #370 on: June 10, 2019, 03:52:28 pm »

Instead of saying that the state will provide healthcare for undocumented immigrants, the statement should say: “The California establishment has decided that California taxpayers will be required to hand over part of their incomes to make healthcare available to illegal immigrants.”
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« Reply #371 on: June 10, 2019, 03:58:26 pm »

Instead of saying that the state will provide healthcare for undocumented immigrants, the statement should say: “The California establishment has decided that California taxpayers will be required to hand over part of their incomes to make healthcare available to illegal immigrants.”

You know the American media is in favor of illegals.  They would never say it that way.  In any case, if it becomes an issue, they'll say they'll get the rich and corporations to pay for it  by raising their taxes.  You know how the game is played.   Meanwhile, dumb socialist voters who salivate like Pavlov's dogs to these redistribution whistles wonder why there's less net money in their pay stubs.   

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« Reply #372 on: June 10, 2019, 03:59:03 pm »

What's Brexit voting got to do with it, Alan? What it has to do with it is his chatting with Farage, endorsing various political opinions and otherwise giving the impression that the USA is all for it, a hard Brexit, and just bursting its panties to get into bed with Britain. Yeah, right. The two countries already have big business ties - always have had - with cross-investment a very important issue. Trump offers nothing new, other than even greater possible dependency if the other deals abroad come to little, but our guys in the sticks may not know that, and salivate like wannabe GI brides during WW2, dreaming of that house everybody has in Beverly Hills.

His problem, for us who don't think he sleeps in a golden bed - please, don't tell me he does! - and is the source of all wisdom, is his dangerous influence as well as his interference, as outlined, in publicly favouring particular politician at critical elections which, I hope you know, is not done in polite political relationships. But wait, Russia! Now I see why he does it abroad too!

As for the rest of the points you imagine you have made, you haven't: you produced a series of apologist non sequitors.

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« Reply #373 on: June 10, 2019, 04:05:05 pm »

My guess, it's to the advantage of America if we can negotiate trade agreements with individual countries rather than the EU as a whole.  That way we can play off one country against the other to get the best deals.  So helping to break GB away from the pack is a good start.  But you can't blame him for the original Brexit vote.  That was your politicians doing. 

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« Reply #374 on: June 10, 2019, 05:04:55 pm »

My guess, it's to the advantage of America if we can negotiate trade agreements with individual countries rather than the EU as a whole.  That way we can play off one country against the other to get the best deals.  So helping to break GB away from the pack is a good start.  But you can't blame him for the original Brexit vote.  That was your politicians doing.


You insist in overlooking his influence. Oh well, so be it.

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« Reply #375 on: June 10, 2019, 05:46:40 pm »

Meanwhile, dumb socialist voters who salivate like Pavlov's dogs to these redistribution whistles wonder why there's less net money in their pay stubs.
There are plenty of Pavlov's dog salivating on both sides of these issues.
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« Reply #376 on: June 10, 2019, 06:17:09 pm »

"California to be first state to provide healthcare to undocumented immigrants"

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48585037

Please note the the plan is to provide health care benefits to adults 19-25, *some of whom* will be undocumented residents.  Note that these same people are often paying income taxes, are *definitely* paying sales and usage taxes, and that the state has a compelling interest in having healthy, working, residents.

Note also that, as per USA Today, California is currently projecting a 20BN budget surplus.

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« Reply #377 on: June 10, 2019, 06:19:59 pm »

He doesn;t go along to get along.  He presses for advantages - American advantages.  That's what an American president is suppose to do.  If your leaders did not protect the UK, I wouldn't have any respect for them.  I expect them to press for your advantages. Would you hire a lawyer who takes your adversary's position?

I would (and do) hire lawyers to start from a win/win supposition when I'm dealing with a business dispute (if it even gets that far.  If I've done my job I'm never in a place where I need to threaten to blow up the world).  I don't view conflict as a zero-sum game like Trump does.  Along with his unfounded arrogance, it's his fatal flaw, and we all pay the price. 
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« Reply #378 on: June 10, 2019, 06:24:04 pm »

You know the American media is in favor of illegals. 

What does this even mean? 
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« Reply #379 on: June 10, 2019, 06:31:16 pm »

What does this even mean?
He forgets that there is a large conservative media which advances the other point of view. I'm not sure how since he spends his time reading and watching it.
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