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Rob C

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1320 on: September 28, 2019, 03:37:43 pm »

If so, what is stopping that majority to vote to revoke the Notice? Today?


I'm not sure about this, but I think that only the PM can instigate it, not Parliament.

There is an entire party wanting to do this: the Libs. For the time being, at least, they would get my vote if I could vote at the coming election. As you know, I couldn't even vote for or against Brexit, despite being more closely connected to the result than are those millions who voted to jump off the yacht or keep dry.

I think it was around this point that I began to feel there was something less than obvious going down behind the scenes; such apparent unfairness was distinctly uncharacteristic.
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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1321 on: September 28, 2019, 05:42:54 pm »

If so, what is stopping that majority to vote to revoke the Notice? Today?

Democracy.  The people voted for Brexit. 
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« Reply #1322 on: September 28, 2019, 05:58:03 pm »

Democracy.  The people voted for Brexit.
It seems to me not unreasonable to imply the caveat "with the least damage possible" rather than "with the most damage possible", although there should be some middle ground.
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« Reply #1323 on: September 28, 2019, 06:40:00 pm »

It seems to me not unreasonable to imply the caveat "with the least damage possible" rather than "with the most damage possible", although there should be some middle ground.

Agreed but that's the conundrum. Johnson says he wants to "get Brexit done" but he himself voted twice against May's deal.
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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1324 on: October 01, 2019, 12:10:46 pm »

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1325 on: October 02, 2019, 07:33:04 am »

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1326 on: October 02, 2019, 11:35:36 am »

And for those with belief in gnomes and their nefarious ways of working:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pI54yarKz_o#fauxfullscreen

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« Reply #1327 on: October 03, 2019, 09:01:23 am »

I was looking through the Ultima Hora newspaper today whilst having a coffee; I came across an interesting item concerning the collapsed travel company, Thomas Cook.

Actually, the article was only incidentally about Cook, but generally about the problems facing Britain and America with the trade wars they are waging with China, the main thrust being about the way China has managed to spread its influence across most of the business world without firing a shot.

The point was made that Britain, desperately trying to position itself as the numer uno ally of the States, has made itself subject to pretty much the same Chinese disapproval as the States receives. And here's the interesting thing, which I have never seen published or mentioned regarding Thomas Cook's collapse: Chinese money controls 75% of the company.

Does it take a genius to figure that when it comes to international trade battles, a delicate little lesson for the British Tory party might come in useful now and again? Withholding more required funds worked very well, I guess. I wonder how many TC employees or Tory voters knew about that 75% holding? I sure had no idea; I imagined it was German money from Neckermann had bought it. Instead, two birds and a single stone...

And meanwhile, a post-Brexit Britain is dreaming of expansive trade deals with China.

Which goes to show you that if you want to find out more about your own country, whoever you are, you gotta read the foreign press.

Rob C

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1328 on: October 03, 2019, 09:03:09 am »

And for those with belief in gnomes and their nefarious ways of working:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pI54yarKz_o#fauxfullscreen

:-)

Interesting silence on that one.

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« Reply #1329 on: October 03, 2019, 01:02:31 pm »

And here's the interesting thing, which I have never seen published or mentioned regarding Thomas Cook's collapse: Chinese money controls 75% of the company.

Not quite, Rob. There was a deal in prospect, in which Fosun would have bought 75% of the company, but it didn't happen.

Jeremy
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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1330 on: October 03, 2019, 01:15:52 pm »

As an aside, my wife and I thought about taking a trip to Europe in a few weeks, maybe in November.  But with Brexit about to happen, is that going to create any confusion or problems especially for travelers?  What about in England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, North Ireland, etc?  How about in continental Europe?

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« Reply #1331 on: October 03, 2019, 02:13:38 pm »

November is a low season in Europe, you won't have any problems booking a car or accommodation. But bring an umbrella and a camera with a fast lens.
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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1332 on: October 03, 2019, 03:10:36 pm »

As an aside, my wife and I thought about taking a trip to Europe in a few weeks, maybe in November.

bring an umbrella and a camera with a fast lens.

And don't forget your MAGA cap!  You'll be an instant sensation with the locals everywhere you travel.

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« Reply #1333 on: October 03, 2019, 03:21:32 pm »

I don't have a MAGA hat.   How about a rebel flag jacket?
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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1334 on: October 03, 2019, 03:26:37 pm »

Not quite, Rob. There was a deal in prospect, in which Fosun would have bought 75% of the company, but it didn't happen.

Jeremy


I thought they already owned that proportion but refused to pour in any more money?

Either way, it did the trick!

Rob

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1335 on: October 08, 2019, 06:17:40 pm »

What does this mean?  How is it different than what was suppose to happen before the SC declared the Johnson prorogation "unconstitutional?

"Parliament is expected to be suspended Tuesday evening until October 14 to give Johnson's government the chance to set out a new legislative agenda in a "Queen's Speech." This comes after the Supreme Court ruled Johnson's previous request for a suspension of Parliament — or "prorogation" — was illegal, because it shut down debate for what it said was an unreasonable amount of time.

On October 17 and 18, a summit of EU leaders will take place in Brussels ahead of the crucial date of October 19, when Johnson must ask the EU for a Brexit delay if a deal, or a no-deal Brexit, hasn't been approved by Parliament."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brexit-news-british-government-says-brexit-deal-essentially-impossible/

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1336 on: October 09, 2019, 03:19:09 am »

What does this mean?  How is it different than what was suppose to happen before the SC declared the Johnson prorogation "unconstitutional?

"Parliament is expected to be suspended Tuesday evening until October 14 to give Johnson's government the chance to set out a new legislative agenda in a "Queen's Speech." This comes after the Supreme Court ruled Johnson's previous request for a suspension of Parliament — or "prorogation" — was illegal, because it shut down debate for what it said was an unreasonable amount of time.

It's for a shorter period.

Jeremy
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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1337 on: October 17, 2019, 09:04:25 am »

Johnson made a deal with the EU.  What does it mean?  Will it fly in parliament?
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/17/770860962/britains-johnson-hails-new-brexit-deal-with-eu

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1338 on: October 20, 2019, 05:12:28 pm »

There's a new prime ministerial ethic: you write a letter you are legally obliged to write but you don't sign it. You then send a signed letter saying you don't really want what the unsigned letter says that you need from the recipient.

So you thought only Mr T was inventive and economical with fact? Frankly, I think both he and our PM are off their heads. I think I believe it will all end with the men in white coats and ambulances.

What a world we have allowed; what scoundrels we employ.

Rob

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Re: Brexit Encore
« Reply #1339 on: October 21, 2019, 08:57:40 am »

So you thought only Mr T was inventive and economical with fact? Frankly, I think both he and our PM are off their heads.

While they're both mendacious, I think the difference is that Boris is calculating—from this side of the Atlantic, at least, it appears he would be equally happy with his Brexit "deal" and a snap election or yet-another delay and a snap election—while Trump seems to be genuinely irrational, making decisions on a whim at the spur of the moment with no real understanding of their context or consequences.
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