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Slobodan Blagojevic

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Re: And Then. . .
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2018, 11:51:20 AM »

Really? Please explain what you understand these genres to be. "are."

Russ, you are engaging in sophisms. Ask Bill Clinton for help. He wanted to know what the definition of "is" is. ;)

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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2018, 12:00:16 PM »

Okay, Slobodan. I give up. If I thought you were serious I'd go on puncturing your illusions, but I know you're just pulling my chain. See ya.

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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2018, 12:03:05 PM »

Please explain what you think "social topics" means?

Did you lost to many time studying the same over en over en forgot to study the obvious?
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Re: And Then. . .
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2018, 12:06:10 PM »

Unfortunately, Ivo, that doesn't explain it.

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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2018, 12:22:43 PM »

Unfortunately, Ivo, that doesn't explain it.

Hm, even not a little bit, Russ?
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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2018, 12:24:58 PM »

Not even an infinitesimal bit, Ivo.

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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2018, 12:28:45 PM »

Not even an infinitesimal bit, Ivo.

Maybe if you step back a bit, let's say 1/4 mile. Then you can see where your nose is poked in now and I will be in the possibility to point to what I want to explain
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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2018, 12:34:17 PM »

I don't think you can explain what you want to explain, Ivo, even if I step back a mile. Problem is that you don't understand what it is you want to explain.

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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2018, 12:36:50 PM »

Russ, you are engaging in sophisms. Ask Bill Clinton for help. He wanted to know what the definition of "is" is. ;)

As did Martin Heidegger. Spent a life time working on it. Quite fruitfully.
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2018, 12:45:50 PM »

I don't think you can explain what you want to explain, Ivo, even if I step back a mile. Problem is that you don't understand what it is you want to explain.

It is difficult to explain a fish how fun it is to fly.

I tried to find something in your native language, Russ: Check this, it is only the tip of the iceberg

And this
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« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2018, 12:46:53 PM »

Hi, Elliot, How about explaining what that has to do with anything.

'Street Photography', as set up by Colin Westerbeck in the early 90s, was a very broad church incorporating wildly divergent photographic practices. It was not a movement with a manifesto or a rulebook. The rulebooks have only appeared in the last 20 years. 
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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2018, 01:12:21 PM »

As did Martin Heidegger. Spent a life time working on it. Quite fruitfully.

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« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2018, 01:16:17 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2018, 01:52:44 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2018, 01:55:05 PM »

[Aristotle, et. al.]

Awww, you left out Lewis Carroll:

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

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« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2018, 03:00:49 PM »

'Street Photography', as set up by Colin Westerbeck in the early 90s, was a very broad church incorporating wildly divergent photographic practices. It was not a movement with a manifesto or a rulebook. The rulebooks have only appeared in the last 20 years.

Hi Elliot, How about pointing me to one of your "rulebooks." As far as I know the genre was defined by photographs, not by words in a book. And I'm quite familiar with Westerbeck's book. It's been by favorite since it came out. You'll see it listed in my bibliography at http://www.pkinfo.com//Bib/Bib.html.
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« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2018, 03:12:08 PM »

It is difficult to explain a fish how fun it is to fly.

I tried to find something in your native language, Russ: Check this, it is only the tip of the iceberg

And this

Oh. Wow, Ivo! “How does society influence Art? And can art change society?” We should have had that quorum on line when I was in high school and my buddies and I were discussing that kind of stuff over beer before we were old enough to drink. And “TheoryofKnowledge.net.” That site would have been a big help when I took philosophy 101 at University of Michigan in 1949.
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« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2018, 03:40:22 PM »

Oh. Wow, Ivo! “How does society influence Art? And can art change society?” We should have had that quorum on line when I was in high school and my buddies and I were discussing that kind of stuff over beer before we were old enough to drink. And “TheoryofKnowledge.net.” That site would have been a big help when I took philosophy 101 at University of Michigan in 1949.


I didn’t expect something else than an arrogantly reaction.
Then, Russ, when did you loose your ability to be open for other viewpoints? Or why do you pretend not to understand what is not in line with your stubbornness?
I guess Slobodan nailed it. It is only semantics isn’t it?
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« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2018, 04:09:29 PM »

Ivo, you've refused to answer any of my questions, and your statements on the subject have been nothing but unsupported personal opinions. Slobodan is simply stirring the water. Wait 'til he comes by my place again and we have lunch. I'll fix his clock then.

Sooner or later, if you want to make your case (whatever it is?) you're going to have to get beyond generalities and deal with facts. The fact is: there's a photographic genre called "street photography." It deals with interactions between humans, other humans, and their environment, and as OmerV put it in another thread: ". . .street photography is not a hunt. It is a benign exploration of life in an effort to create a meaningful statement or poem." I especially like the "poem" part of that statement because I've written about the relationship between street photography and poetry, as has Tod Papageorge (whoever that is, right, Ivo?). It's obvious from your statements on the subject, and, I have to add, from your photography that that's a relationship you fail to grasp. So I guess it's not too strange that you don't understand street photography.

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« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2018, 04:34:00 PM »

I replied in words and images.

It is ok you don’t agree and you don’t see it. It is also ok you bail out every discussion where your opinion is at stake and it is ok you choose to stay in your mental safe house.

It is ok, Russ. It is ok.

Just one more thing, I guess you will bail out of this discussion if I remember you to an earlier topic where I tried to explain photography was not necessarily a hunt but in the right hands it could be an observation. You laughed at me, Russ. Strange how you turn you jacket inside out.
But also this is ok to me.

So. Are you satisfied with the reactions on your sparring partner seeking topic? Let’s face it, you are not interested in a debate, you only want to stuff your mantra in the goose neck. Also this is ok.

Kind regards.

Ivo
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